I'm 100% convinced that tankers from previous builds are incapable of adjusting to what the game has given them.

I don't hear 1/10th of the complaints from tankers that know nothing of the God Mode tanks of old.

I see tanks all the time that harass and avoid proto AV. They do their job. They get people out of infantry fits and into AV fits. I see guys with names I've never heard of doing this.

I see guys with tanker names that are well known trying to insert themselves into the middle of CQC engagements and getting blown up.

I don't think tanks are in a good place, I think they need some work, but all the drama from tanker vets is getting old. The noobs seem to be doing well.

you think tanking takes no skill? HAHAHAHA

we have to worry about 10+ things that can kill us every match if we are not careful on top of wondering if an enemy tank is going to be called down.... along with trying to be profitable which only works if you have a **** fit or you get all the kills in the game.' guess what, its a ******* tank that weighs probably several tons, its NOT a damn dropsuit, tanks aren't tanks in this game because of people like you, the LAVs are the real tanks in this game, I see more of them every game I play and they don't get destroyed as often as tanks do.. we also have to make split second decisions that always end up with us either dying or living we also have to know the maps inside and out for escape routs in case we come across proto av in out standard tanks.

all you do is whine that you cant solo us if we are good and want us to sit down and just let you hit us with whatever the **** you have and let you destroy us and have us bend over for you because your so damn spoiled from games where vehicles are ****..

you want to give me some facts that prove I want god mode? quote anything iv ever said in the forums in the past 2 months that specifically says I want my tank to be unkillable by av.. go ahead, try it, you wnt find anything to support yourself, I have been presenting facts as best as I can all youv been doing is trolling and brining up emotion based arguments..

Show me where I said tanking takes no skill
Better yet find all the instances of me saying that tankers that constantly get blown up are the ones that have no skill and need to improve cause theres a lot of that

maybe New Eden isnt the place for me and farmville would be more my speed since im an idiot scrub that thinks this game should be like call of duty speed

You know thats exactly it, Im upset because it takes no skill to kill you
Avoiding the fire of something that can kill me in a fraction of a second, no skill
Sneaking up on that enemy to use a weapon with a limited range, no skill
Defeating that enemy using a weapon with very limited ammo and that is weak against the enemies first layer of defense while being well within that enemies kill zone, no skill
Mocking a mental deficient (you) when he gets upset his shiny little toy gets broken, absolutely zero skill

And all that upsets me

Show me where I said tanking takes no skill
Better yet find all the instances of me saying that tankers that constantly get blown up are the ones that have no skill and need to improve cause theres a lot of that

So you have to worry about 10+ things huh
Lets see, Forges, Swarms, AV nades, LAVS, HAVS, and Dropships
I count six things you have to worry about since lets face it the plasma cannon is a joke for AV purposes, thats hardly ten or more things
Meanwhile I have to worry about that list minus swarms and av nades plus every other weapon in the game and you dont see me making threads how everything that kills me should be nerfed

Again show me where I whined that I cant solo you, and tell me how you whining about getting blown up in this thread doesnt make you a hypocrite

As for the last thing two months of you QQing about getting blown up and demanding that it takes squads of people to blow you up isnt enough proof? Hell Im sure youve done it in this thread already



TLDR You have no skills as a pilot and failed to adapt now that the crutch was taken away, maybe New Eden isnt the place for you and farmville would be more your speed

iv always said that it should be minimum of 2 people to kill me, that's fair and you get your kill and I don't feel like you cheated at this game.. everyone wins with that, its some of the other drivers that are saying it should take an entire squad to kill them, not me.. get your facts straight, 2 people DO NOT MAKE UP AN ENTIRE SQUAD, 6 PEOPLE MAKE UP AN ENTIRE SQUAD

iv always said that it should be minimum of 2 people to kill me, that's fair and you get your kill and I don't feel like you cheated at this game.. everyone wins with that, its some of the other drivers that are saying it should take an entire squad to kill them, not me.. get your facts straight, 2 people DO NOT MAKE UP AN ENTIRE SQUAD, 6 PEOPLE MAKE UP AN ENTIRE SQUAD

A separate skill for flux, AV, and locust grenades?!?!?!?! Your nucking futz. That's just my input.

On a side note, I do agree that AV grenades do need to be looked at. But a separate skill for each type, come on now Core.
then you would have to make a separate skill for every different type or weapon I.e. tactical AR, burst AR, breach AR and all of the different types of weapon platforms that we already have............................NO THANKS.

I would just say look at the damage output and the nanohive+AV grenade problems.

Why should it take a minimum of two people to kill you?

So your HAV qualifies as a person now?

lol.

wtf? HAVs are vehicles, my character is a person you dipshit

So why then is it not ok for someone to solo your HAV fuckface?

what is your class, and your classes rival? please answer so I can give my answer dipshit

I am an Infantry Minmatar Logi (packing three types of 'hives and Packed AV), everything is my rival.

I can be solo'd by anything fuckface.

A separate skill for flux, AV, and locust grenades?!?!?!?! Your nucking futz. That's just my input.

On a side note, I do agree that AV grenades do need to be looked at. But a separate skill for each type, come on now Core.
then you would have to make a separate skill for every different type or weapon I.e. tactical AR, burst AR, breach AR and all of the different types of weapon platforms that we already have............................NO THANKS.

I would just say look at the damage output and the nanohive+AV grenade problems.

so because you can be soloed by infantry, you believe I should be forced down to your level and beaten by something less than 1/3 the size of the vehicle so you can feel better? ha, dipshit whiner.

then why have vehicles to spec into at all? if all you want to do is have us nerfed to where vehicles are nothing but useless data using up valuable space, then why do you pay this game, you do know there are games that vehicles are **** in right? so you don't have to ruin this game, just go to those ****** games.


HAVs are near uselessness, we die to quickly because we cannon match your *** ass with the ***** nades and no skill swarms, and you expect us to bend over for you and let you kills us without effort? **** NO

They already did this..... Combat Rifle, Rail Rifle, Assault Rifle, Scrambler Rifle, dare I say.....Lazer Rifle??? How about Scrambler Pistol & Flaylock Pistol??? You simply want to avoid a Fair-Play SP Sink so you can have the Best-of-ALL-Worlds.....
Remember.....just in AV Nades you have Basic, Packed, & w/e the Farther Tossing one is (Sooooo unused...) so ya....you are now wearing an OP Duncecap

Thats not true at all.

They have no intention of removing the tactical, burst, assault, or breach variants from any tree, and they are also planning on making sure each race has all 4 variants eventually.

So they aren't 'splitting' anything.

I know exactly what you meant by this, pathetic

Thats not true at all.

They have no intention of removing the tactical, burst, assault, or breach variants from any tree, and they are also planning on making sure each race has all 4 variants eventually.

So they aren't 'splitting' anything.

See??? My Statement is further Validated..... You want Locus??? Spec it. AV Nade??? Spec it. Flexibility w/o Killing Power (Aside from Glitch)??? Spec it. If this is not happening then ALL Racial Weapon Variants should be in a Single Unlock (Rifles, Snipers, SMGs, etc.) And before someone claims "BIAS" I believe Hybrid Turrets fall under this Category, although we Vehicles are already an SP/ISK Sink.........

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

He wont be happy until his little toy is indestructible, every post Ive seen of his relating to AV and vehicle balance is just crying for them to be nerfed into uselessness

As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versitle and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicals (can throw over cover plus hone in, no acuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by jus specing grenader, there should prolly be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, seperatly

thats my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our oppinions