Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

Do you even have AV grenades to proto? Or has your poorly fit tank just been popped by them. Because it sounds like the latter. They are not the OP good weapon that you make them out to be. First, you have to get in close against a vehicle that can blast you apart in me seconds, before you even have a chance to throw. Second, they are crap against shield tanks. Third, a well for mardrugar will cut the damage done in half, with or even kicking in reps.

AV weapons are powerful for a reason : to keep vehicles in check. Right now, it only is keeping the poorly fitted and those who aren't paying attention at bay. Well fitted talks shrug them off, and logi LAVs barely notice.

So please. Do us a favor. Shut up, and stop posting.

Lurch...stop running ION cannons in pubs >.> if your paying 2mil for a gunnlogi with a blaster ..I can only imagine the hit you take defensively just to equip that ball buster let alone the isk price should you get pissed and bring out a second one.

Oh and if you getting killed by proxy mines...you should find a new role, if the beeping isn't enough to get you to change direction...maybe you should look at those odd looking bumps in the middle of the road.

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

Do you even have AV grenades to proto? Or has your poorly fit tank just been popped by them. Because it sounds like the latter. They are not the OP good weapon that you make them out to be. First, you have to get in close against a vehicle that can blast you apart in me seconds, before you even have a chance to throw. Second, they are crap against shield tanks. Third, a well for mardrugar will cut the damage done in half, with or even kicking in reps.

AV weapons are powerful for a reason : to keep vehicles in check. Right now, it only is keeping the poorly fitted and those who aren't paying attention at bay. Well fitted talks shrug them off, and logi LAVs barely notice.

So please. Do us a favor. Shut up, and stop posting.

As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versitle and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicals (can throw over cover plus hone in, no acuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by jus specing grenader, there should prolly be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, seperatly

thats my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our oppinions

To end all these debates...they should not NERF AV, they should have made seperate skill trees for each type of grenade. Being able to specialize in grenade and have all thre different types available at the various stages was somewhat lazy. If you want av nades...skill into it..if you want flux..skill into it..etc

its called the swarm launchers and forges, us tankers sacrifice our ability to fight outside of the vehicle in order to pilot a tank, you should sacrifice your ability to fight infantry if you want to kill us.. fair is fair, the av grenade allows you to be effective in both equally which is a major problem, "if you specialize in everything, youl be good at nothing", "to gain something, something else must be sacrifice"..

av grenades are the most OP av weapon in the game, your just a scrub if you think otherwise & yes im speaking the truth, all you ******* do with those tin cans is hide behind cover and throw them straight up and they take out over half of our shields and armor within 5 seconds.... only the swarms and forges should do that, not a ******* tiny ass grenade..

how much less honning? and what only 2? why not restockable with hives and why only by depots?

Do you even have AV grenades to proto? Or has your poorly fit tank just been popped by them. Because it sounds like the latter. They are not the OP good weapon that you make them out to be. First, you have to get in close against a vehicle that can blast you apart in me seconds, before you even have a chance to throw. Second, they are crap against shield tanks. Third, a well for mardrugar will cut the damage done in half, with or even kicking in reps.

AV weapons are powerful for a reason : to keep vehicles in check. Right now, it only is keeping the poorly fitted and those who aren't paying attention at bay. Well fitted talks shrug them off, and logi LAVs barely notice.

So please. Do us a favor. Shut up, and stop posting.

Woe, there is alot of infaintry that say AV grenades should be this powerfull. Wich is cool, this is jus a thread to collect our thoughts on the situation.

The tankers on this thread are trying to make the point that AV grenades are currently strong enough to be a primary weapon. Id like to point out some good points for both sides here

Vehicals
- AV nades are currently strong enough to be used as a primary means of AV per person using them. Vehicle user believe that doing 2500 damage every couple seconds should be done by a proper AV weapon, such as forges and swarms.

-Vehicle users believe AV nades should only be a supplement to AV, doing minor damage compared to the true AV weapons. A cannon or swarm of missiles should be very capable on destroying vehicles, but a grenade is well, a grenade.

- AV grenades can be spamed quiet quickly in a nanohive. Perhaps there should be a slower replenishment rate.



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Sorry, but... i dont see any good points made by infantry players... not trying to be sarcastic. Im seeing no justifications to how its balanced, just ppl saying tankers are simply wrong

You know I forgot to ask but what role do you main? and what is your own opinion on whether AV nades need the power to be a deterrent or not?

NNOOOO that's like saying uwish ammo only comes from supply depot]

What would be really neat is if AV nades did less damage (like 30% of the damage they do now) but cause some other type of anti vehicle effect.

Something like:

• Reducing the effect of modules?
• Reducing the acceleration and top speed?
• Reduce turret rotation speed?
• Increase heat buildup on turrets?
• Reduce base resistance to damage?

Something that would partially disable a tank so that AV weapons are more effective. This promotes teamwork > spam and SP.

AV nades and AV weapons should compliment, instead of compete or replace, each other.

a magnetic remote explosive variant would be sweet though, and would make a much better infantry AV weapon.

All I can say Maple in all honesty... I threw 4 proto av grenades into your tank during that PC match and it did NOTHING as far as damage.... so I am not understanding what is wanted to be done with the AV nades.

I believe I still have that match recorded on my hard drive, I could be wrong.. I got my ass tore up, but the evidence of the av nade dmg is very visible when I say ...little damage was done.