Not much less damage, but being able to carry only 2 instead of 3 and less homing would help.

EDIT: I also wish grenades weren't restockable by nanohives and only came back at supply depots.

av grenades do far too much damage for what they are, they should NOT be a primary av weapon for anyone, even if you have av nades, you should only be effective with them if your real weapons are out of ammo and we are barely alive (100HP left), only then shouldan av grenade be effective

So what your saying is, AV nades currently do too much damage and are used as a primary AV weapon, and that is wrong because they are well, grenades. Should do less damage but is 100 damage too little?

As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versitle and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicals (can throw over cover plus hone in, no acuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by jus specing grenader, there should prolly be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, seperatly

thats my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our oppinions

Do you even have AV grenades to proto? Or has your poorly fit tank just been popped by them. Because it sounds like the latter. They are not the OP good weapon that you make them out to be. First, you have to get in close against a vehicle that can blast you apart in me seconds, before you even have a chance to throw. Second, they are crap against shield tanks. Third, a well for mardrugar will cut the damage done in half, with or even kicking in reps.

AV weapons are powerful for a reason : to keep vehicles in check. Right now, it only is keeping the poorly fitted and those who aren't paying attention at bay. Well fitted talks shrug them off, and logi LAVs barely notice.

So please. Do us a favor. Shut up, and stop posting.

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

At the very least, a 25% reduction to AV grenade damage. They shouldn't be used to solo vehicles. The fact they could do that means they're horribly OP. They should simply add to the damage going towards a vehicle, just like the plasma cannon does.

So squad up with people that use AV weapons, or start using the commando suit. You can't be a damn jack of all trades with one suit, but CCP gave it to you anyway.

Do you even have AV grenades to proto? Or has your poorly fit tank just been popped by them. Because it sounds like the latter. They are not the OP good weapon that you make them out to be. First, you have to get in close against a vehicle that can blast you apart in me seconds, before you even have a chance to throw. Second, they are crap against shield tanks. Third, a well for mardrugar will cut the damage done in half, with or even kicking in reps.

AV weapons are powerful for a reason : to keep vehicles in check. Right now, it only is keeping the poorly fitted and those who aren't paying attention at bay. Well fitted talks shrug them off, and logi LAVs barely notice.

So please. Do us a favor. Shut up, and stop posting.

He wont be happy until his little toy is indestructible, every post Ive seen of his relating to AV and vehicle balance is just crying for them to be nerfed into uselessness

The only vehicles they can solo under normal circumstances are LAVs and even then you need the footwork of a matador on *******
The only tanks getting blown up solely by AV nades are ones that are being badly driven and most drivers rather than working on their driving skills demand instead that they should be able to survive driving into the middle of a squad and have no harm come to them

And I'll say it again: Do you have any idea what it's like to watch half your armor melt away from one swarm volley?

Lol badly driven

Describe "badly driven." Odds are, the best tankers in the game do that as well. We don't all hide behind the red line.

Hell, I popped Cakeman's Gunnlogi because he came too close. In a battle of compressed particle cannon, I won out because I have the advantage versus shields, plus the option of up to 3 damage mods.

Please, describe badly driven.

As we should all know by now, AV and vehicals are going to be changed in 1.5 and most likely 1.6 and will be changed completly. as evident in this post:


So, im going to go through the whole list of AV weapons in different threads and try to collect a non biased collection of feedback the Devs can use to change vehicals and AV. So remember, what we post here is what they may listen to. Lets start with AV nades. What are your guys thoughts?

Personally, i find these weapons too versitle and easy to use because you get 3 of them, they hone in your targets, do a massive amount of damage (av naders can bring high passive resist shield tanks down to half shields in 3 throws) and do not require line of sight to destroy vehicals (can throw over cover plus hone in, no acuracy required). They are also effective land mines, and one person can solo a tank with a nano hive. Also, they do not penalize the user in fitting or combat efficiency too much cuz their jus grenades, and you can get proto AV nades by jus specing grenader, there should prolly be a skill for AV nades, locus and flux grenades, seperatly

thats my input, feel free to correct or add on your thoughts but whatever you say, SAY WHY!! We want to give good reasoning behind our oppinions

how much less honning? and what only 2? why not restockable with hives and why only by depots?

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

Do you have any idea what its like being surrounded by infantry carrying weapons much better suited to killing you than what you have, while trying to get a line of sight on a vehicle that can kill you in fractions of a second while it takes the other infantry mere seconds, while wearing a suit thats most likely lightly armored and shielded since youll need damage mods, stamina boosters, and maybe a kincat just to keep up with your targets movements since it outpaces you breaking target locks or driving near a tiny bump in the ground that will block your swarm detonating the missiles harmlessly?

You think AV has it so easy why dont you try it sometime, and I dont mean hiding your ass behind the redline like you do with your tank

Every time i look a a vehicle thread i never cease to be amazed at the blatant lies and disinformation that HAV users are willing to propagate .

Its like trying to talk to a conspiracy nut