So what your saying is, AV nades currently do too much damage and are used as a primary AV weapon, and that is wrong because they are well, grenades. Should do less damage but is 100 damage too little?

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers

Do you have any idea what its like being surrounded by infantry carrying weapons much better suited to killing you than what you have, while trying to get a line of sight on a vehicle that can kill you in fractions of a second while it takes the other infantry mere seconds, while wearing a suit thats most likely lightly armored and shielded since youll need damage mods, stamina boosters, and maybe a kincat just to keep up with your targets movements since it outpaces you breaking target locks or driving near a tiny bump in the ground that will block your swarm detonating the missiles harmlessly?

You think AV has it so easy why dont you try it sometime, and I dont mean hiding your ass behind the redline like you do with your tank

Every time i look a a vehicle thread i never cease to be amazed at the blatant lies and disinformation that HAV users are willing to propagate .

Its like trying to talk to a conspiracy nut

Oh no really half of your HP in 5 whole seconds? Now tell me again how many fractions of a second it takes for a tank to kill infantry
And last I checked you dont spawn in already sitting inside your tin can and you sacrifice absolutely nothing while driving a tank

"Waaah we cant fight outside our tanks"
You have free dropsuits dont you and havent I seen you telling new people to just squad up and run with a group to be effective if you only have low level gear? ******* hypocrite, cry some more

You know thats exactly it, Im upset because it takes no skill to kill you
Avoiding the fire of something that can kill me in a fraction of a second, no skill
Sneaking up on that enemy to use a weapon with a limited range, no skill
Defeating that enemy using a weapon with very limited ammo and that is weak against the enemies first layer of defense while being well within that enemies kill zone, no skill
Mocking a mental deficient (you) when he gets upset his shiny little toy gets broken, absolutely zero skill

And all that upsets me

So when are vehicles getting Limited ammo, like 6-8 in the main gun, with 5 reloads in the trunk ? and 75-100 rounds in the secondary guns each with 2 reloads ?

As it is now, tanks are just running on Duracell i take it, even the missile ones convert Missiles out of thin Air...

So you want us to carry less Nades, while you guys keep Unlimited Ammo cheat codes in those vehicles ....makes sense ....you guys could get like extra vehicle skills to up the ammo amount, right ?

Show me where I said tanking takes no skill
Better yet find all the instances of me saying that tankers that constantly get blown up are the ones that have no skill and need to improve cause theres a lot of that

maybe New Eden isnt the place for me and farmville would be more my speed since im an idiot scrub that thinks this game should be like call of duty speed

You know thats exactly it, Im upset because it takes no skill to kill you
Avoiding the fire of something that can kill me in a fraction of a second, no skill
Sneaking up on that enemy to use a weapon with a limited range, no skill
Defeating that enemy using a weapon with very limited ammo and that is weak against the enemies first layer of defense while being well within that enemies kill zone, no skill
Mocking a mental deficient (you) when he gets upset his shiny little toy gets broken, absolutely zero skill

And all that upsets me

Show me where I said tanking takes no skill
Better yet find all the instances of me saying that tankers that constantly get blown up are the ones that have no skill and need to improve cause theres a lot of that

So you have to worry about 10+ things huh
Lets see, Forges, Swarms, AV nades, LAVS, HAVS, and Dropships
I count six things you have to worry about since lets face it the plasma cannon is a joke for AV purposes, thats hardly ten or more things
Meanwhile I have to worry about that list minus swarms and av nades plus every other weapon in the game and you dont see me making threads how everything that kills me should be nerfed

Again show me where I whined that I cant solo you, and tell me how you whining about getting blown up in this thread doesnt make you a hypocrite

As for the last thing two months of you QQing about getting blown up and demanding that it takes squads of people to blow you up isnt enough proof? Hell Im sure youve done it in this thread already



TLDR You have no skills as a pilot and failed to adapt now that the crutch was taken away, maybe New Eden isnt the place for you and farmville would be more your speed

Why should it take a minimum of two people to kill you?

So your HAV qualifies as a person now?

lol.

So why then is it not ok for someone to solo your HAV fuckface?

I am an Infantry Minmatar Logi (packing three types of 'hives and Packed AV), everything is my rival.

I can be solo'd by anything fuckface.

I don't think AV grenades are too overpowered, unless you have some high ground you generally have to expose yourself to throw them whereas any other AV you can use from almost any distance, though I guess it doesn't make too much sense for them to do as much damage as a forge gun lol. Think the most I would do is have the damage dropped by about 20-25%, could still be used the same way but it would give most vehicles a little more time to activate mods and gtfo.