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Stands Alone
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Posted - 2013.07.31 16:56:00 -
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AR is not OP. been using every type. i used the TAC AR for most of my time playing, with my minmatar logi...
until two days ago
i took a chance and tried out adv lasers with a basic adv medium suit
destroyed the **** out of people, and when i was too close with the laser, my scrambler pistol or assault pistol worked fine, especially in a bull rush
i will never look back on ARs ever again, unless i run my minmatar logi in which i need close and medium range with the only weapon due to the lack of a sidearm slot.
i was so sure i would never move away from that TAC AR due to "how easy" it was to kill with. laser is so much easier |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:25:00 -
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decrease the clip size... the end |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.05 07:32:00 -
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i think the range and all that stuff is pretty good... it is the backbone weapon... i just think if the clip size were decreased, it would be fine... if you can kill a heavy with one clip then decrease it... the only way you should be able to kill a heavy with one clip is if it was all headshots and he was an idiot for standing still, so he deserves it...
i say one thing at a time, and clip size would fix most problems i think.
-it would be less viable at CQC due to the lack of clip size so they can spray and pray for 10 min on one clip
-it would force players to look for cover because they will have to reload after like 30-40 rounds, so it will make fights much more strategic and frustrating
-the player will have to aim more or shoot less
-you cant take out a heavy with a clip in only body hits
i like the range, even when facing them, its fair, its supposed to be a an all around weapon that is not the best at anything. and i think a 30-40 round clip would fix that
breach rifles can stay the way they are, they pretty much suck unless you sneak up on people
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Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:39:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:semperfi1999 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Jack Boost wrote:1. AR was nerfed enough. lol what? The AR has NEVER been nerfed. Here's the STD AR stats through out the prior builds. Precursor- DMG:31, ACR:56.2, ROF:750 Codex- DMG:31, ACR:56.2, ROF:750 Chromosome- DMG:31, ACR:56.2, ROF:750 Uprising 1.0- DMG:31, ACR:56.2, ROF:750 Post Uprising 1.0- DMG:34, ACR:56.2, ROF:750 As you can see, the AR has never been nerfed, in fact, its been buffed recently! Your majority of the post is null as heavies are more likely to die from things like tanks, while scouts die from a stiff breeze, your own deaths do not represent the majority of the player base, which is what validates my point as I took my point from the general kill boards, not my own deaths. Your an idiot...yes the AR was nerfed I will not resort to spits and name-calling. Next game, go into the MCC. Now shoot at the wall in ADS. See your crosshair move? No? Just wait until half the Mag is gone.Now just stop shooting. Now start again. Hey! The recoil is gone! See the issue? No Recoil until half the magazine is shot continuously, Long Effective Range, Broken SGs, Wimp HMGs, all combine to make the one gun that can get 1100 kills in 30 matches. So, no. The Recoil/Kick Buff obviously isn't working. Cut Mag size to 45. Increase Rate of falloff, i.e. decrease effective (In the ingame mechanics terminology) range. There.
keep it simple... cut mag to 40... thats all |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.06 04:06:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Ignore variants of the same weapon like the TACAR, and the Breach etc which completely screw up this theoretical calculation of weapon damages and DPS.
Gallente Plasma rifle.
DPS= 500
Damage per shot= 35.39
ROF= 850 (full auto)
Range 35/60
Clip=45
Least dispersion, most kick
Minmatar Combat rifle
DPS= 388
Damage per shot= 38.8
ROF= 600 (full auto, burst)
Range 45/70
Clip= 40
Amarr Scrambler rifle, possibly assault.
DPS= 318
Damage per shot= 47.7
ROF= 400 (burst, full auto breach)
Range 55/80
Clip= 32
Caldari Rail rifle.
DPS= 269
Damage per shot= 64.56
ROF= 250 (single shot)
Range 65/90
Clip= 25
Most dispersion, least kick
All of these numbers are made to reflect the % difference of DPS and range into damage. Then using that damage to reflect a clip size with a total damage of 1500 then rounded slightly up.
not trolling... just curious what you are getting at or the point of this post. is it in response to something? |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.06 04:32:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Stands Alone wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Ignore variants of the same weapon like the TACAR, and the Breach etc which completely screw up this theoretical calculation of weapon damages and DPS.
Gallente Plasma rifle.
DPS= 500
Damage per shot= 35.39
ROF= 850 (full auto)
Range 35/60
Clip=45
Least dispersion, most kick
Minmatar Combat rifle
DPS= 388
Damage per shot= 38.8
ROF= 600 (full auto, burst)
Range 45/70
Clip= 40
Amarr Scrambler rifle, possibly assault.
DPS= 318
Damage per shot= 47.7
ROF= 400 (burst, full auto breach)
Range 55/80
Clip= 32
Caldari Rail rifle.
DPS= 269
Damage per shot= 64.56
ROF= 250 (single shot)
Range 65/90
Clip= 25
Most dispersion, least kick
All of these numbers are made to reflect the % difference of DPS and range into damage. Then using that damage to reflect a clip size with a total damage of 1500 then rounded slightly up. not trolling... just curious what you are getting at or the point of this post. is it in response to something? Post above my post above, and a post in this thread I wrote stating this just with no numbers.
ah.... kinda agree... but there are questions i guess... is it a blaster or rail? aren't the sniper rifles the rail rifles? gallente are kinda complicated at what their ground specialty would be since in the lore of new eden, they specialize in electronic warfare and use hybrid weapons...
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Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:03:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Stands Alone wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Stands Alone wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Ignore variants of the same weapon like the TACAR, and the Breach etc which completely screw up this theoretical calculation of weapon damages and DPS.
Gallente Plasma rifle.
DPS= 500
Damage per shot= 35.39
ROF= 850 (full auto)
Range 35/60
Clip=45
Least dispersion, most kick
Minmatar Combat rifle
DPS= 388
Damage per shot= 38.8
ROF= 600 (full auto, burst)
Range 45/70
Clip= 40
Amarr Scrambler rifle, possibly assault.
DPS= 318
Damage per shot= 47.7
ROF= 400 (burst, full auto breach)
Range 55/80
Clip= 32
Caldari Rail rifle.
DPS= 269
Damage per shot= 64.56
ROF= 250 (single shot)
Range 65/90
Clip= 25
Most dispersion, least kick
All of these numbers are made to reflect the % difference of DPS and range into damage. Then using that damage to reflect a clip size with a total damage of 1500 then rounded slightly up. not trolling... just curious what you are getting at or the point of this post. is it in response to something? Post above my post above, and a post in this thread I wrote stating this just with no numbers. ah.... kinda agree... but there are questions i guess... is it a blaster or rail? aren't the sniper rifles the rail rifles? gallente are kinda complicated at what their ground specialty would be since in the lore of new eden, they specialize in electronic warfare and use hybrid weapons... EDIT: forgot to add... i think that minmatar rifles should be the single shot, since SMG covers the short range projectile weapon... single shot long range, SMG is autocannon equivalent right? or is SMG a hybrid? i dont have dust on so cant read discription The AR is a blaster, the SMG is a projectile, the CR is going to be a projectile, and so on, and so one.
-right... but the sniper rifle is a rail, correct? AR is the short range for the race
-SMG is short range for minnie, so long range rifle would be similar to TAC yes?
-amarr has scrambler stuff, their long range is laser rifle
-gallente use other races' weapons but usually compensate with a either a good tank or good bonuses to support therefore they would not have a race rifle but get other stuff instead
i know this may be off topic, but im just trying to stick to the new eden lore
Ugh, another Edit: just throwing ideas... not arguing... |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.06 05:51:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:Stands Alone wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Stands Alone wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:
Post above my post above, and a post in this thread I wrote stating this just with no numbers.
ah.... kinda agree... but there are questions i guess... is it a blaster or rail? aren't the sniper rifles the rail rifles? gallente are kinda complicated at what their ground specialty would be since in the lore of new eden, they specialize in electronic warfare and use hybrid weapons... EDIT: forgot to add... i think that minmatar rifles should be the single shot, since SMG covers the short range projectile weapon... single shot long range, SMG is autocannon equivalent right? or is SMG a hybrid? i dont have dust on so cant read discription The AR is a blaster, the SMG is a projectile, the CR is going to be a projectile, and so on, and so one. -right... but the sniper rifle is a rail, correct? AR is the short range for the race -SMG is short range for minnie, so long range rifle would be similar to TAC yes? -amarr has scrambler stuff, their long range is laser rifle -gallente use other races' weapons but usually compensate with a either a good tank or good bonuses to support therefore they would not have a race rifle but get other stuff instead i know this may be off topic, but im just trying to stick to the new eden lore Ugh, another Edit: just throwing ideas... not arguing... The AR we have now is a Gallante weapon, when I said CR, I meant combat rifle, and its going to be the burst AR. The Rail Rifle is going to be Railgun like the current Sniper. The minis are eventually going to get the precision rifle.
it would have made things a lot more simple if you just pointed me to the future weapons post lol |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.08 20:28:00 -
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I dont use the AR cause i like the challenge of other weapons, i used it mostly as my main weapon from closed beta until a few weeks ago... now i use the laser rifle, for the challenge... cause the AR is too much. |
Stands Alone
Ultramarine Corp
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Posted - 2013.08.09 08:09:00 -
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Why is this argument still going? wait til the other weapons are out... if anything, decrease the AR clip size... |
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