PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

CPU modules.

Ever hear of them?

Get those Armour modules off a shield based suit anyway, use regulators if anything, take advantage of the bonus.

regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit.
hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi.
you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore.
ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented.
yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.

regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit.
hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi.
you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore.
ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented.
yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

Yup... I have a logi oriented fit that i'll use for PC but for pubs? lulz, no thanks.

Welcome to the world of every other logi suit.

Logis have always been the most expensive to run (heavys might have had them on cost for a bit,) but its really not feasable to run a protologi in pubs regardless. Congrats caldari, now you know what it REALLY feels like to be a logi.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

Welcome to the world of every other logi suit.

+1

CCP didn't turn them into assault suits, you simply do not have a logi mindset. Every other suit has to make compromises when it comes to fitting, it is not CCPs fault that equipment is at the bottom of your priority list for what needs to be fitted. Since clearly your choice of fitting indicates your combat efficiency is more important to you than your ability to support teammates, perhaps logistics was the wrong path for you to follow.

Newsflash: the minmatar logi is way better than the caldari now. Not only does it have better sprint and base speed(strafing) it has 40 more CPU, the ability to armor tank as well as shield tank, better bonus, & 4 equipment slots.
Newsflash look at the amarr logi now.
Newsflash the gallente logi suit has 25% reduction in pg & cpu of equipment, and can armor tank to stack with its +5 armor rep bonus and use its own triage nanohives to have insane survivability.
Get the idea? The caldari logi is now the worst logi suit. The ONLY thing is has going for it, is that its shield oriented, because the slot count is irrelevant since you MUST use cpu extenders. And if you want a decent recharge time you MUST use regulators. and doing that means you CANT have real equipment.

Newsflash: the minmatar logi is way better than the caldari now. Not only does it have better sprint and base speed(strafing) it has 40 more CPU, the ability to armor tank as well as shield tank, better bonus, & 4 equipment slots.
Newsflash look at the amarr logi now.
Newsflash the gallente logi suit has 25% reduction in pg & cpu of equipment, and can armor tank to stack with its +5 armor rep bonus and use its own triage nanohives to have insane survivability.
Get the idea? The caldari logi is now the worst logi suit. The ONLY thing is has going for it, is that its shield oriented, because the slot count is irrelevant since you MUST use cpu extenders. And if you want a decent recharge time you MUST use regulators. and doing that means you CANT have real equipment.

Make a choice, I do it all the time. I want to use the Freedom MD, but have to settle for an EXO-5 for equipment. I want to have all complex extenders in my highs, but I know that equipment is going to be more beneficial to my squad. Those ferroscale plates? Sorry, equipment... see a trend? Toss an enhancer in the low slot, balance your equipment and be glad that this is all the CaLogi got, you almost got the entire logi class ruined if CCP listened to all those crazy ass demands from ignorant players that thought everything in yellow was OP.

Whats not feasible about proto logi in pubs?

I was running proto logi with some proto equipment, some basic equipment, basic low modules and basic nades for the last two months? It was glorious. I was also already using a CPU module... its pretty much impossible not to.

I had 600 EHP or so and enough sta to keep up with my assault buddies.

Now? Meh, ishukone gauged nanos and then max out EHP and weaponry... gonna be the true logissault now.

They could have done it in a better way to incentivize cal logis to use equipment... instead they just gave us a choice... EHP or equipment. With pubs being a very self centered playstyle in general... a cal logi who chooses proto equipment over EHP will be a rare breed.

Couldn't say it any better. For as much trouble as the CaLogi has caused and your blatant disregard for the logistics role by trading equipment for damage mods and plates, you get 0 sympathy for me. That's saying something too because I'm an advocate against nerfs.

P.S. My Minmatar Logi has more HP and has 5m movement and 7.4m sprint speed.

Minmatar Logi FTW.

**** all the other scrub races.

Logis have always been the most expensive to run (heavys might have had them on cost for a bit,) but its really not feasable to run a protologi in pubs regardless. Congrats caldari, now you know what it REALLY feels like to be a logi.

You know you don't have to run proto equipment, right? Aside from a proto injector or triage hive for when I'm babysitting heavies I rarely use proto equipment and make out fine.

Lol yup... no reason to use it now. I use proto nanohives purely so I can restock ammo faster and continue logissaulting.

Proto injector is pretty sweet for bringing up high armor gallentes and heavies, but meh... i'll easily give it up since it benefits me none.

I wanted to run a triage repair tool, but I think I'll run adv grenades instead once I finish maxing out core skills. No time to rep others when I am so busy assaulting.

Triage nanohive... god their nice but 15 PG is stupid... I can't justify using that in any situation ever.

Well it seems you are a dumbass that needs a slap in the face. Hey...psst. Logi suits are more oriented for team support not you tanking damage or dishing out damage. Its nice to see you value armor on a shield suit and damage mods more than your equipment. You never played as a true Logi. CaldLogi was OP in where it was an assault suit with more equipment slots. The nerf made it so CaldLogis no longer have that mindset but you are all ignorant.

but meh... i'll easily give it up since it benefits me none.

The nerf made it so you have to choose between damage, EHP, and equipment.

Sounds good in theory but its not hard to predict what most people are going to choose.

You think cal logi was being overly abused as an assault before? Lol... its gonna be even worse in 1.3.

Unless you're just being sarcastic, you tend to have a selfish mindset for how to fit a logi suit. I'm not going to tell you how to fit or use it, but if you want to use it as an assault suit with no sidearm and even worse base stats, that's on you. I'd rather be more valuable to my team with whatever equipment I can fit even if I have to give up advanced grenades and a prototype weapon.

The nerf made it so you have to choose between damage, EHP, and equipment.

Sounds good in theory but its not hard to predict what most people are going to choose.

You think cal logi was being overly abused as an assault before? Lol... its gonna be even worse in 1.3.

nope... I was happy being a logi in 1.2. But with the CPU nerf i'm just pissed off and vindictive now.

When i'm with a squad I'll run some cheap support equipment for them but mostly i'm just going to use my slot and fitting advantage to help overcome my inherent weaknesses compared to an assault suit until CCP drops another respec and then i'll decide if I want to go back into logi (depending on the 1.4 bonuses) or go into assault instead.

That is if I continue to even play this game. They just removed the only game mode I enjoyed (OMS)... so now i'm not sure I even care to stick around anymore.

regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit.
hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi.
you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore.
ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented.
yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.

PS. i thought it was funny and ironic, on his fit he had logi stuff pre nerf and just a nanohive post nerf.
hilarious because thats how my proto fits turned out.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

Wow yeah now people who were combat focused but still wanted to make their equipment slots useful just have compact nanohives now. The law of unintended consequences...also known as having no test server.

But those of us determined to be actual logis with the advanced suit will fit a CPU mod, enhanced regulator, and 3 CSEs with middling equipment. We'll lose a lot of armor and be really afraid of flux grenades.

Sounds to me more like you are happy being a logi so long as it doesn't impede on your assault capabilities. The Caldari logi can still be a great logi, it just can't while simultaneously being a great assault.

And yes, if you want to overcome the inherent combat weaknesses of the logi then you should skill into an Assault suit, that is why they are there.

I was able to live with the slower move speed, lack of sidearm, and lower base stats. But a further reduction in assault capabilities renders the point moot... no reason to bother with cal logi anymore. They are perfectly fine in pubs im sure... since there is little organization and teamwork, but the game mode I really cared about balance was PC and considering skilled assaults were already rolling over logis in that game mode... I can only imagine how it'll be now if I sacrificed more assault potential for 'true logistics'.

I will most likely be speccing into assault when the next respec comes around, depends on the 1.4 bonuses and any further tweaks to the suits.

Inherent weakness compared to the assault suit? No offense, but DUH. If the logi wasnt inherently weaker than the assault, why would anyone play as assault? You get the flexibility to have 3 equipment slots and be the support role.

Before you were better at the assault role than the assault, and you could still be support at the same time.

Now you can still be as good as the assault at its role, but you just cant be support at the same time. You have to choose.

Seems to me, that logis need another nerf so they cant remotely perform the assault role as well as the assault, so the suit becomes what it is meant to be, a support role.

Maybe assaults are rolling over logis because assaults are the designed killers while logis are the designed support? Logis still have a purpose, it is just not on the front lines killing assault players.

This nerf was perfect. CaLogis got brought down to the standards of other logis and either be a crappy assault or a good logi, not both at the same time. Other suits are fine now since we all had to make that choice since day 1. Amarr can be an assault/logi, but that's what they were designed to do.

Not in PC they don't. You will want 1 maybe 2 logis as uplink mules and thats it. No other equipment has any place in PC.

Not in PC they don't. You will want 1 maybe 2 logis as uplink mules and thats it. No other equipment has any place in PC.

Stop running proto weapons on your logi suits. Simple.

I love how many calogi players are complaining about their nerfing but then say they're going to have to drop some equipment but not their duvolle. It shows the true colours of these 'logis' when they'd rather drop the things intended for them than the big expensive weapon that they really want to be running.

Not in PC they don't. You will want 1 maybe 2 logis as uplink mules and thats it. No other equipment has any place in PC.

Same boat as you now, not enough CPU to have a functional logi suit and sacrificing survivability to carry about gear for a bunch of ungrateful jackasses that whine and cry but still expect us to drop hives and uplinks for them is an idiotic idea so anyone fully specced into the suit is almost forced into being a pseudo assault now

Personally I just deleted my logi fittings, Ive got advanced level assault suits so Im rolling storm trooper now and waiting for that to get nerfed since the EVE players cant handle caldari having anything nice

Do not give up on being a Logi.

Simply find the path of the NinjaLogi. You'll help your team without them even realizing.

Not if I cant fit the gear I need to support them
I do admit that my CPU and PG skills arent maxed yet though so I may come back to it later on but honestly I expect to get hit with the nerf hammer again as most of the people that skilled it to max switch to full on slayer roles without the pretense of support
Done right the logi suit can get an impressive recharge rate on its shields which is going to support a hit and run assault style rather than the damage sponge style it had from the old skill

So you're saying the next FoTM will be the CalLogi Shotgun Assport?

Remember young padawan, your equipment doesn't disappear when you swap fits.

Not if I cant fit the gear I need to support them
I do admit that my CPU and PG skills arent maxed yet though so I may come back to it later on but honestly I expect to get hit with the nerf hammer again as most of the people that skilled it to max switch to full on slayer roles without the pretense of support
Done right the logi suit can get an impressive recharge rate on its shields which is going to support a hit and run assault style rather than the damage sponge style it had from the old skill

Yeah but my repair tool doesnt sit on the ground waiting for me
Now dont get me wrong I do agree that the old skill was to much and should have been tweaked and where it sits now at 2% per level seems to be in the sweet spot, but touching the CPU at all let alone setting it drastically lower than all the other suits was a ridiculous idea

Are you running a proto weapon? Are you running damage mods? If so, you're sacrificing the wrong things if you're giving up any equipment.

Assuming the OP is using the TAR, 2 Complex Damage mods is actually quite effective as long as you're supporting from the rear.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

Op is the biggest moron ive ever seen. This is what was wrong in the first place. Having equipment and beeing aible to double tank the suit. Seriously if you want damage mods and tank go gallente. If you want tank and mobility then use caldari suits with shield extenders. Stop demanding both to get easy mode suits. Drop both damage mods for shield extenders, put a CPU upgrade on and eventually keep a plate. Not every 1 can be as awesome as a gallente and have 3 damage mods, armor modules and a freedom massdriver.

Just downloaded the patch and gave my proto calogi suit a look-over. All my fits where invalid (to be expected), and my main fit had 30 less CPU than was needed. Also my shields dropped by about 90 HP, not too horrible I suppose.

I only have electronics to level 4, but if I bump it to level 5 by wasting 777k SP and use a complex CPU, I can run the same fits I always have been. I would just swap out the previously used enhanced CPU for the complex.

But I would have to spend almost another million SP to do it. I don't think it is worth it, especially now that my shields got gimped. Looks like my second hive is going bye-bye, so when you turkeys need ammo on the field, don't wonder why there isn't more hives laying around.

More talk of removing logi capibilities instead of combat capibilities. This nerf has shown so many fake logi's true colours.

More talk of removing logi capibilities instead of combat capibilities. This nerf has shown so many fake logi's true colours.

Of course I, and many others, were combat logis... who is denying that? The only ones in denial are the ones who think a logis main role should be healing and repping.


What about the forge gun? In essence it is primarily a AV weapon, so it should be nerfed to only be a AV weapon.

What about scouts? Scouts are for sniping, therefore they shouldn't be able to use shotguns. OR scouts are for... scouting? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to snipe or use a shotgun and should be restricted to a sidearm so they can run faster into enemy territory and scout for the rest of us.

What about assaults? They are a front-line combat suit, therefore they should be restricted to front-line weapons and loadout only. So no mass drivers, no snipers, no tac rifles, no plasma cannon, no swarms, and no equipment slots etc etc. They should only be able to use shotguns, assault rifles (except the tac), and assault SCR rifles. And they should be restricted to locus nades only, as they shouldn't be an AV class.

I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.

As a combat logi I shot people yes, but I also carried around 3 different equipment to better help my team, whether that be several hives, uplinks, remotes for objectives... you name it.

Of course I, and many others, were combat logis... who is denying that? The only ones in denial are the ones who think a logis main role should be healing and repping.


What about the forge gun? In essence it is primarily a AV weapon, so it should be nerfed to only be a AV weapon.

What about scouts? Scouts are for sniping, therefore they shouldn't be able to use shotguns. OR scouts are for... scouting? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to snipe or use a shotgun and should be restricted to a sidearm so they can run faster into enemy territory and scout for the rest of us.

What about assaults? They are a front-line combat suit, therefore they should be restricted to front-line weapons and loadout only. So no mass drivers, no snipers, no tac rifles, no plasma cannon, no swarms, and no equipment slots etc etc. They should only be able to use shotguns, assault rifles (except the tac), and assault SCR rifles. And they should be restricted to locus nades only, as they shouldn't be an AV class.

I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.

As a combat logi I shot people yes, but I also carried around 3 different equipment to better help my team, whether that be several hives, uplinks, remotes for objectives... you name it.

Good job, CCP. Now we can't be logos rather than wouldn't be logis. Good to go. I'll just put this over here with the enforcers and laser rifles....

You know Caldari are shield tankers right?

hey crybaby, lern to fit a logi.

Not in PC they don't. You will want 1 maybe 2 logis as uplink mules and thats it. No other equipment has any place in PC.

Make a choice, I do it all the time. I want to use the Freedom MD, but have to settle for an EXO-5 for equipment. I want to have all complex extenders in my highs, but I know that equipment is going to be more beneficial to my squad. Those ferroscale plates? Sorry, equipment... see a trend? Toss an enhancer in the low slot, balance your equipment and be glad that this is all the CaLogi got, you almost got the entire logi class ruined if CCP listened to all those crazy ass demands from ignorant players that thought everything in yellow was OP.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

Good job, CCP. Now we can't be logos rather than wouldn't be logis. Good to go. I'll just put this over here with the enforcers and laser rifles....

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

What about the forge gun? In essence it is primarily a AV weapon, so it should be nerfed to only be a AV weapon.

What about scouts? Scouts are for sniping, therefore they shouldn't be able to use shotguns. OR scouts are for... scouting? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to snipe or use a shotgun and should be restricted to a sidearm so they can run faster into enemy territory and scout for the rest of us.

What about assaults? They are a front-line combat suit, therefore they should be restricted to front-line weapons and loadout only. So no mass drivers, no snipers, no tac rifles, no plasma cannon, no swarms, and no equipment slots etc etc. They should only be able to use shotguns, assault rifles (except the tac), and assault SCR rifles. And they should be restricted to locus nades only, as they shouldn't be an AV class.

I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.

As a combat logi I shot people yes, but I also carried around 3 different equipment to better help my team, whether that be several hives, uplinks, remotes for objectives... you name it.

My Proto Cal Logi came out OK after the nerf ... Sure I lost 77 Shields and 40 Armor and can't carry grenades anymore, but the suit is still adequately protected, and functional as a Logi.

I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.

He was making use of its high slots by putting damage mods in. The drawback to damage mods is that you have less shields then people who use shield mods. To compensate for that he put armor plates on. Simple as that. This isn't the best suit for what hes trying to do, but fundamentally it still works.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

I think the whole point of this post is that pre nerf he didn't fit it as a logi, and post nerf he didn't either. If you notice, the pre nerf photo is invalid because the equipment on it rendered it unable to fit everything. Post nerf the only thing that changed was total shields and he didn't have equipment anymore. So basically fitting as an assault logi. However he clearly doesn't understand that the assault variant of this race is now better at doing that then the suit hes using soooo...... yeah. He might be a bit confused, but I don't think he's crying over it.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

I don't know what the hell you are complaining about, the CPU in both pics is the same. You were over your CPU in the prenerf pic, you could never have taken it into a match. You want to be a logi? Get rid of those useless damage mods. You don't fight, the people you support do. Either you are an idiot or a troll. I vote troll.

Just downloaded the patch and gave my proto calogi suit a look-over. All my fits where invalid (to be expected), and my main fit had 30 less CPU than was needed. Also my shields dropped by about 90 HP, not too horrible I suppose.

I only have electronics to level 4, but if I bump it to level 5 by wasting 777k SP and use a complex CPU, I can run the same fits I always have been. I would just swap out the previously used enhanced CPU for the complex.

But I would have to spend almost another million SP to do it. I don't think it is worth it, especially now that my shields got gimped. Looks like my second hive is going bye-bye, so when you turkeys need ammo on the field, don't wonder why there isn't more hives laying around.

regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit.
hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi.
you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore.
ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented.
yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.

PS. i thought it was funny and ironic, on his fit he had logi stuff pre nerf and just a nanohive post nerf.
hilarious because thats how my proto fits turned out.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

lol welcome to pain called nerf hammer. us tankers(HAV pilots) have been living.

But what if the OP dropped the damage mods? I seem to remember that they eat less CPU/PG than shield extenders. If that is so, what is there to put on instead?

Or am I totally lost here? Which ones eat more CPU/PG? Shields or dmg mods?

LMAO @ CCP - Seriously.

I was a Logibro- happened to choose Caldari when I made my character, then I went CalLogi because of the Basic Caldari Assault suit. Went Proto in Logi Fitted with needle, proto hives, proto rep tool- pretty much go negative everygame but at the top of the boards with my warpoints per game!

1.3
I cannot run the Logi loadout because its invalid- So I just stacked 3 dmg mods, and some biotics and NO equipment- the suit is absolutley OP I actuallly went positive and killing guys with 5 shots and absolutley helping no1 but my KDR - THANKS CCP you have made me one of them Frontline CalLogis which is the reason for the nerf. Best nerf yet.

I think the best thing you could have done is kept the CPU and reduced the bonus then made the stacking penalty for DMG mods 100%- this would have been fairer across the board (Cannot wait for the reply on this one)

...I will get the popcorn

More than likely, reducing just one of your equipment items from proto level to advanced would probably have rendered your original suit valid again, although you might have had to swap out a damage mod as well, depending upon your fit.

But then, you wouldn't be able to have the best of both worlds. You don't get to be a killing machine AND carry ALL the BEST equipment!

Like all the others, you were never a real logi, not in your heart and soul.

This patch has just exposed your true assaultiness to the world.

It's not a bad thing. Not at all, us real logi need you assault guys more than ever and, since you no longer carry all the best equipment, you'll need us too.

But please, stop crying that CCP forced you down the path of assault, you guys made that choice all on your own.

<---Assault. Don't worry I carry K-2 hives and a sidearm so won't need yours. Pump those core skills, as an extra 15 CPU for 777k is never a bad idea. That extra CPU is for all your suits by default too.

All my suits? All I have is the calogi. To use another suit, proto is the only way to go for competitive gaming (especially PC), and that is another 2.5 million SP investment. I only have ~800k SP right now, no way am I wasting a months worth of SP grinding for a 5% increase in CPU just so I can run the mediocre suit i was running before.

Also using an alt as a fellow adv assault Minmatar, the K-2's are great for the level they are at, but gauged proto hives are far superior. The difference between carrying 2 vs 4 in a single slot is huge. I run out of ammo all the time running my Min assault suit, and that is after dropping both my K-2's. So many times I wished my fellow blueberries had a hive, which is why I am saving for the gauged hives on my min alt.

Also, unless I waste all my SP on the CPU upgrade, I can't even carry a single proto hive + proto uplink, and that is with 3/4 of my low slots utilizing enhanced CPU/PG upgrades already. And now that I lost almost 100 shields, taking any more shields from my high slots is not even an option.

Welcome to the world of every other logi suit.

BS

There not wasted skill points u should have level 5 already

Words.

I'm actually waiting on people to discover how crazy their new racial bonus is compared to the old one. In b4 regulators are OP.

Ditto.

Try carrying one now.. Only Proto suits can use it at the expense of dropping something-not too sure it's the best bonus, on paper it looks like a 55% decrease in delay with 1x complex reg yet the delay has also been increased across all Logi classes

LMAO @ CCP - Seriously.

I was a Logibro- happened to choose Caldari when I made my character, then I went CalLogi because of the Basic Caldari Assault suit. Went Proto in Logi Fitted with needle, proto hives, proto rep tool- pretty much go negative everygame but at the top of the boards with my warpoints per game!

1.3
I cannot run the Logi loadout because its invalid- So I just stacked 3 dmg mods, and some biotics and NO equipment- the suit is absolutley OP I actuallly went positive and killing guys with 5 shots and absolutley helping no1 but my KDR - THANKS CCP you have made me one of them Frontline CalLogis which is the reason for the nerf. Best nerf yet.

I think the best thing you could have done is kept the CPU and reduced the bonus then made the stacking penalty for DMG mods 100%- this would have been fairer across the board (Cannot wait for the reply on this one)

...I will get the popcorn

Why run logi when our logi abilities are gimped beyond any other logis? I was saying it long before the nerf came out because i did the math. You really think that caldari logis would sacrifice their now mediocre tanking to be garbage logis? BUAHAHA. CCP logic-forum logic.
These guys believe you shouldn't even kill anything as a logi.
These guys believe other equipment besides uplinks are useful in PC.
BUAHAHA. Theres a reason EoN rules molden heath. You HONESTLY think in my PC matches playing for Outer Heaven and Not Guilty i've been going around using needles, rep tools, or even nanohives? WHILE NOT EVEN KILLING PEOPLE? BUAHAHA.
Nubs needa play a PC match.
I'lll give you guys a revelation here.
Heavies get raped in PC.
Scouts get raped in PC.
"True Logis" get raped in PC (and even in pubs).
Grenade spam doesn't work in PC. Real players avoid nades easily.
PC was about Duvolles, fused nades, flaylocks, and uplinks.
Other weapons ocassionally came into play like a thales covering objectives, or mass drivers when giant city standoffs came into play. But the vast majority is all about the AR & uplinks.
Killing people and uplinks for people killed. Thats what the best of the best comes down to.
But hey I don't care, you guys who cry for nerfs on everything have already ruined it. Idgaf, I'll just let the garbage play this garbage game.

Why run logi when our logi abilities are gimped beyond any other logis? I was saying it long before the nerf came out because i did the math. You really think that caldari logis would sacrifice their now mediocre tanking to be garbage logis? BUAHAHA. CCP logic-forum logic.
These guys believe you shouldn't even kill anything as a logi.
These guys believe other equipment besides uplinks are useful in PC.
BUAHAHA. Theres a reason EoN rules molden heath. You HONESTLY think in my PC matches playing for Outer Heaven and Not Guilty i've been going around using needles, rep tools, or even nanohives? WHILE NOT EVEN KILLING PEOPLE? BUAHAHA.
Nubs needa play a PC match.
I'lll give you guys a revelation here.
Heavies get raped in PC.
Scouts get raped in PC.
"True Logis" get raped in PC (and even in pubs).
Grenade spam doesn't work in PC. Real players avoid nades easily.
PC was about Duvolles, fused nades, flaylocks, and uplinks.
Other weapons ocassionally came into play like a thales covering objectives, or mass drivers when giant city standoffs came into play. But the vast majority is all about the AR & uplinks.
Killing people and uplinks for people killed. Thats what the best of the best comes down to.
But hey I don't care, you guys who cry for nerfs on everything have already ruined it. Idgaf, I'll just let the garbage play this garbage game.

Link please? I want incontrovertible proof of a support logi (not an assport logi) stating that logis shouldn't be able to kill.

Proof is in the putting that he's full of ****. If CCP didn't want us to be defend ourselves, they would've limited us to sidearms.

You could've done this with a Gallente assault and had more EHP. What a waste...

Cosgar, let's not go down that road.

I'll fix your statement for you

"If CCP didn't want us to be able to defend ourselves, they wouldn't have given us a weapon slot"

I meant as the initial logistics class when it was introduced, not now. Maybe one day we'll get a medic oriented class restricted to sidearms and repair bonuses, but as a different suit.

I'm just saying I've been running Sidearm Logi for 6+ months now and while I'll admit that I'm no "elite" twitch gamer, I can still get kills.

Sidearms are just as viable as light weapons when used properly.

whut?

not enough CPU/PG to keep up Shields/Armor and Equipment AND grenades ... so grenades had to go

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

What's your fitting? What level is your circuitry and LW operations at?

Fitting - known only to me
Circuitry - I assume you mean Dropsuit Electronics - Lv5 - also Core Upgrades Lv5 and Dropsuit Enginering Lv5
LW Operation Lv3 - I'm a Logi, didn't need to skill up LW as much, but I see if I skill this to 5 my weapons will use 6% less CPU

Of course I, and many others, were combat logis... who is denying that? The only ones in denial are the ones who think a logis main role should be healing and repping.


What about the forge gun? In essence it is primarily a AV weapon, so it should be nerfed to only be a AV weapon.

What about scouts? Scouts are for sniping, therefore they shouldn't be able to use shotguns. OR scouts are for... scouting? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to snipe or use a shotgun and should be restricted to a sidearm so they can run faster into enemy territory and scout for the rest of us.

What about assaults? They are a front-line combat suit, therefore they should be restricted to front-line weapons and loadout only. So no mass drivers, no snipers, no tac rifles, no plasma cannon, no swarms, and no equipment slots etc etc. They should only be able to use shotguns, assault rifles (except the tac), and assault SCR rifles. And they should be restricted to locus nades only, as they shouldn't be an AV class.

I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.

As a combat logi I shot people yes, but I also carried around 3 different equipment to better help my team, whether that be several hives, uplinks, remotes for objectives... you name it.

Requires: electronics lvl 2

Gek-38
M1 locus nades
Repair tool
Nanite injector
Nanohive
Complex shield extender
Complex shield extender
Complex light damage mod
Basic cpu upgrade
Complex shield regulator

Fitting works.

PreNerf
http://imgur.com/VAQjcOJ

PostNerf
http://imgur.com/wKxy6oI

Shrug, "fake logi" now.

Sad face for you Jolly. It used to make me giggle when you actually rep'd me Miss you Brotha'

Fun thread to read. To be honest, it really doesn't matter how Jolly fits his suits. He is always a beast. A true force to be reckoned with.

Well this is what we get. A bunch of faux cal logis that will maintain their 'acceptable level of combat efficacy' and drop their equipment to do so. The ones that dont just quit the game will continue that way for the next 3ish months or so until they can grind their way into assault and get their weaponry up.