regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit.
hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi.
you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore.
ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented.
yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.

+1

CCP didn't turn them into assault suits, you simply do not have a logi mindset. Every other suit has to make compromises when it comes to fitting, it is not CCPs fault that equipment is at the bottom of your priority list for what needs to be fitted. Since clearly your choice of fitting indicates your combat efficiency is more important to you than your ability to support teammates, perhaps logistics was the wrong path for you to follow.

Newsflash: the minmatar logi is way better than the caldari now. Not only does it have better sprint and base speed(strafing) it has 40 more CPU, the ability to armor tank as well as shield tank, better bonus, & 4 equipment slots.
Newsflash look at the amarr logi now.
Newsflash the gallente logi suit has 25% reduction in pg & cpu of equipment, and can armor tank to stack with its +5 armor rep bonus and use its own triage nanohives to have insane survivability.
Get the idea? The caldari logi is now the worst logi suit. The ONLY thing is has going for it, is that its shield oriented, because the slot count is irrelevant since you MUST use cpu extenders. And if you want a decent recharge time you MUST use regulators. and doing that means you CANT have real equipment.

Whats not feasible about proto logi in pubs?

I was running proto logi with some proto equipment, some basic equipment, basic low modules and basic nades for the last two months? It was glorious. I was also already using a CPU module... its pretty much impossible not to.

I had 600 EHP or so and enough sta to keep up with my assault buddies.

Now? Meh, ishukone gauged nanos and then max out EHP and weaponry... gonna be the true logissault now.

They could have done it in a better way to incentivize cal logis to use equipment... instead they just gave us a choice... EHP or equipment. With pubs being a very self centered playstyle in general... a cal logi who chooses proto equipment over EHP will be a rare breed.

Minmatar Logi FTW.

**** all the other scrub races.

Lol yup... no reason to use it now. I use proto nanohives purely so I can restock ammo faster and continue logissaulting.

Proto injector is pretty sweet for bringing up high armor gallentes and heavies, but meh... i'll easily give it up since it benefits me none.

I wanted to run a triage repair tool, but I think I'll run adv grenades instead once I finish maxing out core skills. No time to rep others when I am so busy assaulting.

Triage nanohive... god their nice but 15 PG is stupid... I can't justify using that in any situation ever.

The nerf made it so you have to choose between damage, EHP, and equipment.

Sounds good in theory but its not hard to predict what most people are going to choose.

You think cal logi was being overly abused as an assault before? Lol... its gonna be even worse in 1.3.

Inherent weakness compared to the assault suit? No offense, but DUH. If the logi wasnt inherently weaker than the assault, why would anyone play as assault? You get the flexibility to have 3 equipment slots and be the support role.

Before you were better at the assault role than the assault, and you could still be support at the same time.

Now you can still be as good as the assault at its role, but you just cant be support at the same time. You have to choose.

Seems to me, that logis need another nerf so they cant remotely perform the assault role as well as the assault, so the suit becomes what it is meant to be, a support role.

Not in PC they don't. You will want 1 maybe 2 logis as uplink mules and thats it. No other equipment has any place in PC.

Op is the biggest moron ive ever seen. This is what was wrong in the first place. Having equipment and beeing aible to double tank the suit. Seriously if you want damage mods and tank go gallente. If you want tank and mobility then use caldari suits with shield extenders. Stop demanding both to get easy mode suits. Drop both damage mods for shield extenders, put a CPU upgrade on and eventually keep a plate. Not every 1 can be as awesome as a gallente and have 3 damage mods, armor modules and a freedom massdriver.

More talk of removing logi capibilities instead of combat capibilities. This nerf has shown so many fake logi's true colours.

Of course I, and many others, were combat logis... who is denying that? The only ones in denial are the ones who think a logis main role should be healing and repping.


What about the forge gun? In essence it is primarily a AV weapon, so it should be nerfed to only be a AV weapon.

What about scouts? Scouts are for sniping, therefore they shouldn't be able to use shotguns. OR scouts are for... scouting? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to snipe or use a shotgun and should be restricted to a sidearm so they can run faster into enemy territory and scout for the rest of us.

What about assaults? They are a front-line combat suit, therefore they should be restricted to front-line weapons and loadout only. So no mass drivers, no snipers, no tac rifles, no plasma cannon, no swarms, and no equipment slots etc etc. They should only be able to use shotguns, assault rifles (except the tac), and assault SCR rifles. And they should be restricted to locus nades only, as they shouldn't be an AV class.

I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.

As a combat logi I shot people yes, but I also carried around 3 different equipment to better help my team, whether that be several hives, uplinks, remotes for objectives... you name it.

All my suits? All I have is the calogi. To use another suit, proto is the only way to go for competitive gaming (especially PC), and that is another 2.5 million SP investment. I only have ~800k SP right now, no way am I wasting a months worth of SP grinding for a 5% increase in CPU just so I can run the mediocre suit i was running before.

Also using an alt as a fellow adv assault Minmatar, the K-2's are great for the level they are at, but gauged proto hives are far superior. The difference between carrying 2 vs 4 in a single slot is huge. I run out of ammo all the time running my Min assault suit, and that is after dropping both my K-2's. So many times I wished my fellow blueberries had a hive, which is why I am saving for the gauged hives on my min alt.

Also, unless I waste all my SP on the CPU upgrade, I can't even carry a single proto hive + proto uplink, and that is with 3/4 of my low slots utilizing enhanced CPU/PG upgrades already. And now that I lost almost 100 shields, taking any more shields from my high slots is not even an option.

BS

Try carrying one now.. Only Proto suits can use it at the expense of dropping something-not too sure it's the best bonus, on paper it looks like a 55% decrease in delay with 1x complex reg yet the delay has also been increased across all Logi classes

LMAO @ CCP - Seriously.

I was a Logibro- happened to choose Caldari when I made my character, then I went CalLogi because of the Basic Caldari Assault suit. Went Proto in Logi Fitted with needle, proto hives, proto rep tool- pretty much go negative everygame but at the top of the boards with my warpoints per game!

1.3
I cannot run the Logi loadout because its invalid- So I just stacked 3 dmg mods, and some biotics and NO equipment- the suit is absolutley OP I actuallly went positive and killing guys with 5 shots and absolutley helping no1 but my KDR - THANKS CCP you have made me one of them Frontline CalLogis which is the reason for the nerf. Best nerf yet.

I think the best thing you could have done is kept the CPU and reduced the bonus then made the stacking penalty for DMG mods 100%- this would have been fairer across the board (Cannot wait for the reply on this one)

...I will get the popcorn

Link please? I want incontrovertible proof of a support logi (not an assport logi) stating that logis shouldn't be able to kill.

Cosgar, let's not go down that road.

I'll fix your statement for you

"If CCP didn't want us to be able to defend ourselves, they wouldn't have given us a weapon slot"

I'm just saying I've been running Sidearm Logi for 6+ months now and while I'll admit that I'm no "elite" twitch gamer, I can still get kills.

Sidearms are just as viable as light weapons when used properly.

not enough CPU/PG to keep up Shields/Armor and Equipment AND grenades ... so grenades had to go

Fitting - known only to me
Circuitry - I assume you mean Dropsuit Electronics - Lv5 - also Core Upgrades Lv5 and Dropsuit Enginering Lv5
LW Operation Lv3 - I'm a Logi, didn't need to skill up LW as much, but I see if I skill this to 5 my weapons will use 6% less CPU

Requires: electronics lvl 2

Gek-38
M1 locus nades
Repair tool
Nanite injector
Nanohive
Complex shield extender
Complex shield extender
Complex light damage mod
Basic cpu upgrade
Complex shield regulator

Fitting works.