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XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Cosgar wrote:THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit. hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi. you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore. ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented. yep. CCP turned them into assault suits. Welcome to the world of every other logi suit. Newsflash: the minmatar logi is way better than the caldari now. Not only does it have better sprint and base speed(strafing) it has 40 more CPU, the ability to armor tank as well as shield tank, better bonus, & 4 equipment slots. Newsflash look at the amarr logi now. Newsflash the gallente logi suit has 25% reduction in pg & cpu of equipment, and can armor tank to stack with its +5 armor rep bonus and use its own triage nanohives to have insane survivability. Get the idea? The caldari logi is now the worst logi suit. The ONLY thing is has going for it, is that its shield oriented, because the slot count is irrelevant since you MUST use cpu extenders. And if you want a decent recharge time you MUST use regulators. and doing that means you CANT have real equipment. Make a choice, I do it all the time. I want to use the Freedom MD, but have to settle for an EXO-5 for equipment. I want to have all complex extenders in my highs, but I know that equipment is going to be more beneficial to my squad. Those ferroscale plates? Sorry, equipment... see a trend? Toss an enhancer in the low slot, balance your equipment and be glad that this is all the CaLogi got, you almost got the entire logi class ruined if CCP listened to all those crazy ass demands from ignorant players that thought everything in yellow was OP.
Exactly. If you logi you will most likely have to use advanced or strd weaponry and give up firepower to be able to use the equipment you need to be a pro logi. I myself am building my Proto gallente and will soon have to switch out my advanced weapon for a strd one to be able to fit all the necesary equipment to be a TRUE LOGI |
Medical Crash
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
34
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Posted - 2013.07.31 00:57:00 -
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You're joking right? Do you not help your team? You're Caldari, your shields are your lifeline, you can't afford to waste High slots on Damage Mods. They need to all be Shield Extenders(Maybe one Energizer). If you wanted to be Assault, you should have picked Assault. Your setup needs work, follow the suggestions from the other guys here. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
635
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:15:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Good job, CCP. Now we can't be logos rather than wouldn't be logis. Good to go. I'll just put this over here with the enforcers and laser rifles.... No you still can, you just also can't be killing machines. |
GET ATMESON
Robbing The Hood
86
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Posted - 2013.07.31 01:17:00 -
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You should have know that a NERF was coming on a OP SUIT. QQ baby
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Winsaucerer
The Southern Legion
177
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:01:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote: What about the forge gun? In essence it is primarily a AV weapon, so it should be nerfed to only be a AV weapon.
What about scouts? Scouts are for sniping, therefore they shouldn't be able to use shotguns. OR scouts are for... scouting? Therefore they shouldn't be allowed to snipe or use a shotgun and should be restricted to a sidearm so they can run faster into enemy territory and scout for the rest of us.
What about assaults? They are a front-line combat suit, therefore they should be restricted to front-line weapons and loadout only. So no mass drivers, no snipers, no tac rifles, no plasma cannon, no swarms, and no equipment slots etc etc. They should only be able to use shotguns, assault rifles (except the tac), and assault SCR rifles. And they should be restricted to locus nades only, as they shouldn't be an AV class.
I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most.
As a combat logi I shot people yes, but I also carried around 3 different equipment to better help my team, whether that be several hives, uplinks, remotes for objectives... you name it.
What?? Are you trying to imply that Caldari logi's have been nerfed so that they can't kill anything any more? Has your gun suddenly stop firing bullets? Has it been replaced by a magic healing wand? Forge gun isn't the most effective anti-infantry weapon, even if it can be used as one if desired. Same goes for caldari logi -- it's not (I hope) the baddest killer, but feel free to kill things with it or fit it for the maximum killer fit it can, if you want.
If I can still get some kills on an almost completely free almost completely militia fit logi suit, I'm sure you caldari logi's can manage to get the occasional kill AND support your team as a logi is intended to do. You're not prevented from "[mixing] and [matching] to come up with whatever is effective and what [you] enjoy using the most". But as for the role of specifically being a reasonably mobile, versatile, front-line fighter and killer: assault should always be *best* at that, even if other roles can do it nearly as well. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
427
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:21:00 -
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SHANN da MAN wrote:My Proto Cal Logi came out OK after the nerf ... Sure I lost 77 Shields and 40 Armor and can't carry grenades anymore, but the suit is still adequately protected, and functional as a Logi.
whut? |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
257
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:47:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:I could go on, but you see how stupid that sounds? Why should each class be locked into a specific role? The fun thing about this game is being able to mix and match to come up with whatever is effective and what we enjoy using most. Claims that the fun bit is being able to adapt your fit.
Whines about having to adapt.
Irony detected and confirmed. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
257
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:51:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:He was making use of its high slots by putting damage mods in. The drawback to damage mods is that you have less shields then people who use shield mods. To compensate for that he put armor plates on. Simple as that. This isn't the best suit for what hes trying to do, but fundamentally it still works. So instead of using damage mods, he could put shield mods on, giving him similar EHP levels to his shitfit and have his low slots free to put on fitting mods to fit more equipment.
And of course it fundamentally still works. Just like you could grab a proto suit, put a gun on it and nothing else and it would still fundamentally work. Whether it makes sense to do so, or whether it's the best choice... well, that subject to debate isn't it? (Not really, it's a no brainer for someone with a shred of intelligence) |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI EoN.
206
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:52:00 -
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Okay, you have no room to complain about your logi suit when you are running dual damage mods.
You are there to give people the equipment they need. Not to gun everybody down. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
257
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Posted - 2013.07.31 02:56:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:Paran Tadec wrote:hey crybaby, lern to fit a logi. I think the whole point of this post is that pre nerf he didn't fit it as a logi, and post nerf he didn't either. If you notice, the pre nerf photo is invalid because the equipment on it rendered it unable to fit everything. Post nerf the only thing that changed was total shields and he didn't have equipment anymore. So basically fitting as an assault logi. However he clearly doesn't understand that the assault variant of this race is now better at doing that then the suit hes using soooo...... yeah. He might be a bit confused, but I don't think he's crying over it. So pre-nerf, he fitted it as an assault suit with multiple equipment. Post nerf he's unable to do so. If he were to fit it with a logistics role in mind, he would be able to. Is there a problem here? I don't see one.
No, he's not confused, and yes, he is crying over it. |
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Kein-Engel
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
60
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:00:00 -
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I don't know what the hell you are complaining about, the CPU in both pics is the same. You were over your CPU in the prenerf pic, you could never have taken it into a match. You want to be a logi? Get rid of those useless damage mods. You don't fight, the people you support do. Either you are an idiot or a troll. I vote troll. |
Ghost Kaisar
Intrepidus XI EoN.
206
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:04:00 -
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Kein-Engel wrote: I don't know what the hell you are complaining about, the CPU in both pics is the same. You were over your CPU in the prenerf pic, you could never have taken it into a match. You want to be a logi? Get rid of those useless damage mods. You don't fight, the people you support do. Either you are an idiot or a troll. I vote troll.
It is possible to both stupid and a troll. Don't forget that.
Also, his first kit WAS possible. The CPU changed for the suit, and thus he wasn't able to run it. And being the assault player that he is, he sacrificed EQUIPMENT so that he could kill people. His suit would be much better off if he had specced into assault as he should have. |
LCB Holdings
Expert Intervention Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:06:00 -
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minmatar logi suddenly looks appealing |
FATCannon - XOXO
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2013.07.31 03:54:00 -
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lol what a terrible terrible fit.
-XOXO |
Callidus Vanus
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
139
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:04:00 -
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Your doing it wrong. |
Starshine Etherium
Greywolf Syndicate
8
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:21:00 -
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The hate is strong with this thread... |
Spectre-M
The Generals EoN.
18
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:46:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Just downloaded the patch and gave my proto calogi suit a look-over. All my fits where invalid (to be expected), and my main fit had 30 less CPU than was needed. Also my shields dropped by about 90 HP, not too horrible I suppose. I only have electronics to level 4, but if I bump it to level 5 by wasting 777k SP and use a complex CPU, I can run the same fits I always have been. I would just swap out the previously used enhanced CPU for the complex. But I would have to spend almost another million SP to do it. I don't think it is worth it, especially now that my shields got gimped. Looks like my second hive is going bye-bye, so when you turkeys need ammo on the field, don't wonder why there isn't more hives laying around.
<---Assault. Don't worry I carry K-2 hives and a sidearm so won't need yours. Pump those core skills, as an extra 15 CPU for 777k is never a bad idea. That extra CPU is for all your suits by default too. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
345
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:51:00 -
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You had a invalid fitting prenerf and a valid one post nerf?
I don't understand. Doesn't that mean this nerf was beneficial to you? |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
297
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:54:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:regulators leave no room for equipment and CPU modules are mandatory on every fit. hes right to run regulators and cpu leaves no room for equipment and makes you a fake logi. you literally cant fit sh*t on the suit anymore. ill never run my logi equipment in pub matches again because it requires so much cost of survivability its not worth it whatsoever, so now my pub protologi is completely assault oriented. yep. CCP turned them into assault suits.
PS. i thought it was funny and ironic, on his fit he had logi stuff pre nerf and just a nanohive post nerf. hilarious because thats how my proto fits turned out.
I love how ppl talk about logis. "CCP makes me choose between putting equpment on my logi to make it a logi fit or put modules in highs and lows for an assault fit. Now I can't play as a logi!!"
I think it just exposes all the hypocricy of ppl who run cal logi easy mode, they are used to getting everything they want and having no drawbacks. Here is a real solution: CCP get rid of a few highs or lows on the suit so that logi don't have to go through the painful choice of deciding whether to play as an assault or logi.
On a side note, CCP this nerf calls for a respek!! |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
999
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Posted - 2013.07.31 05:58:00 -
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You're a scrub since you use 2 dmg mods on a lvl 3 logi suit, your opinion is void.
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The dark cloud
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
1794
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:03:00 -
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How much do we bet that his equipment was militia grade only apart from the nanohive? If you are a true logi you set equipment usage above firepower. And this patch clearly showed it. Instead of dropping the damage mods you ditched the equipment which is the purpose of a logi. To provide support for your team with your equipment. So you simply showed your true nature and made a generic assault fit with a nanohive and abusing the natural higher CPU+PG that logistics have over assaults. Pathetic. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
123
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Posted - 2013.07.31 06:06:00 -
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Newscast for any QQ bull ish, amarr logi is supposed to be assault oriented as stated in its description, now working as intended |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
1002
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Posted - 2013.07.31 08:11:00 -
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ladwar wrote:lol welcome to pain called nerf hammer. us tankers(HAV pilots) have been living.
Yeah and you didn't complain at all.... |
Sum1ne Else
Planetary Response Organization
110
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Posted - 2013.07.31 10:02:00 -
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LMAO @ CCP - Seriously.
I was a Logibro- happened to choose Caldari when I made my character, then I went CalLogi because of the Basic Caldari Assault suit. Went Proto in Logi Fitted with needle, proto hives, proto rep tool- pretty much go negative everygame but at the top of the boards with my warpoints per game!
1.3 I cannot run the Logi loadout because its invalid- So I just stacked 3 dmg mods, and some biotics and NO equipment- the suit is absolutley OP I actuallly went positive and killing guys with 5 shots and absolutley helping no1 but my KDR - THANKS CCP you have made me one of them Frontline CalLogis which is the reason for the nerf. Best nerf yet.
I think the best thing you could have done is kept the CPU and reduced the bonus then made the stacking penalty for DMG mods 100%- this would have been fairer across the board (Cannot wait for the reply on this one)
...I will get the popcorn |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
540
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Posted - 2013.07.31 10:22:00 -
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But what if the OP dropped the damage mods? I seem to remember that they eat less CPU/PG than shield extenders. If that is so, what is there to put on instead?
Or am I totally lost here? Which ones eat more CPU/PG? Shields or dmg mods? |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
1004
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Posted - 2013.07.31 10:27:00 -
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Repe Susi wrote:But what if the OP dropped the damage mods? I seem to remember that they eat less CPU/PG than shield extenders. If that is so, what is there to put on instead?
Or am I totally lost here? Which ones eat more CPU/PG? Shields or dmg mods?
Shields 54 Damage mods 68 (-25% with skills) = 51
So in effect, the shields are harder to fit.... |
Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
226
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Posted - 2013.07.31 10:32:00 -
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Sum1ne Else wrote:LMAO @ CCP - Seriously.
I was a Logibro- happened to choose Caldari when I made my character, then I went CalLogi because of the Basic Caldari Assault suit. Went Proto in Logi Fitted with needle, proto hives, proto rep tool- pretty much go negative everygame but at the top of the boards with my warpoints per game!
1.3 I cannot run the Logi loadout because its invalid- So I just stacked 3 dmg mods, and some biotics and NO equipment- the suit is absolutley OP I actuallly went positive and killing guys with 5 shots and absolutley helping no1 but my KDR - THANKS CCP you have made me one of them Frontline CalLogis which is the reason for the nerf. Best nerf yet.
I think the best thing you could have done is kept the CPU and reduced the bonus then made the stacking penalty for DMG mods 100%- this would have been fairer across the board (Cannot wait for the reply on this one)
...I will get the popcorn
More than likely, reducing just one of your equipment items from proto level to advanced would probably have rendered your original suit valid again, although you might have had to swap out a damage mod as well, depending upon your fit.
But then, you wouldn't be able to have the best of both worlds. You don't get to be a killing machine AND carry ALL the BEST equipment!
Like all the others, you were never a real logi, not in your heart and soul.
This patch has just exposed your true assaultiness to the world.
It's not a bad thing. Not at all, us real logi need you assault guys more than ever and, since you no longer carry all the best equipment, you'll need us too.
But please, stop crying that CCP forced you down the path of assault, you guys made that choice all on your own. |
ANON Illuminati
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
145
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Posted - 2013.07.31 10:39:00 -
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damn jolly nice thread. lol |
Sum1ne Else
Planetary Response Organization
110
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Posted - 2013.07.31 10:39:00 -
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Jaqen Morghalis wrote:More than likely, reducing just one of your equipment items from proto level to advanced would probably have rendered your original suit valid again, although you might have had to swap out a damage mod as well, depending upon your fit.
But then, you wouldn't be able to have the best of both worlds. You don't get to be a killing machine AND carry ALL the BEST equipment!
Like all the others, you were never a real logi, not in your heart and soul.
This patch has just exposed your true assaultiness to the world.
It's not a bad thing. Not at all, us real logi need you assault guys more than ever and, since you no longer carry all the best equipment, you'll need us too.
But please, stop crying that CCP forced you down the path of assault, you guys made that choice all on your own.
This does not make sense- I think its a great nerf! ha ha not crying at all dude. 'Us real logis' seriously? ha ha WTF dude? so a caldari cannot be a logi? I do not understand this one.
PS. you say ALL the best equip? so a militia needle is now a piece of PROTO op equipment? Im sure when you run any proto suit the majority of your modules/equip/guns are going to be proto or whats the point in going proto? I think you are irrelevent and have invalid points. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
866
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Posted - 2013.07.31 11:03:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:DJINN leukoplast wrote:Just downloaded the patch and gave my proto calogi suit a look-over. All my fits where invalid (to be expected), and my main fit had 30 less CPU than was needed. Also my shields dropped by about 90 HP, not too horrible I suppose. I only have electronics to level 4, but if I bump it to level 5 by wasting 777k SP and use a complex CPU, I can run the same fits I always have been. I would just swap out the previously used enhanced CPU for the complex. But I would have to spend almost another million SP to do it. I don't think it is worth it, especially now that my shields got gimped. Looks like my second hive is going bye-bye, so when you turkeys need ammo on the field, don't wonder why there isn't more hives laying around. <---Assault. Don't worry I carry K-2 hives and a sidearm so won't need yours. Pump those core skills, as an extra 15 CPU for 777k is never a bad idea. That extra CPU is for all your suits by default too.
All my suits? All I have is the calogi. To use another suit, proto is the only way to go for competitive gaming (especially PC), and that is another 2.5 million SP investment. I only have ~800k SP right now, no way am I wasting a months worth of SP grinding for a 5% increase in CPU just so I can run the mediocre suit i was running before.
Also using an alt as a fellow adv assault Minmatar, the K-2's are great for the level they are at, but gauged proto hives are far superior. The difference between carrying 2 vs 4 in a single slot is huge. I run out of ammo all the time running my Min assault suit, and that is after dropping both my K-2's. So many times I wished my fellow blueberries had a hive, which is why I am saving for the gauged hives on my min alt.
Also, unless I waste all my SP on the CPU upgrade, I can't even carry a single proto hive + proto uplink, and that is with 3/4 of my low slots utilizing enhanced CPU/PG upgrades already. And now that I lost almost 100 shields, taking any more shields from my high slots is not even an option.
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