NONE of those are shooters, you idiot or even relate to what I was talking about.

NONE of those are shooters, you idiot or even relate to what I was talking about.

Adapt or die? LOL your on the forums asking for nerfs, trying taking your own advice.

How do I adapt from being the best player and in the best corp?

Please explain?

Adapt or die? LOL your on the forums asking for nerfs, trying taking your own advice.

How do I adapt from being the best player and in the best corp?

Please explain?

Why should CCP change core game mechanics for a small portion of the population. The silent majority is fine with how the system works now. If not you wouldn't see the same people playing day in and day out.

Silent majority eh? Try the rabble that is left after the REAL MAJORITY already left. So yea keep burying your head in the sand that you few are enough to allow this game to continue on and grow and become everything its supposed to be.
And sorry SP system thats can't be re-designated isn't a core mechanic its a design feature and one that doesn't even exist in eve to this extent.


You just don't like Veteran players having the opportunity to learn in hindsight and new players to correct initial mistakes before they fully understood the game. Yea no sorry but game needs to stay fresh and one of the easiest ways CCP can do that until they add in more and more content is the opportunity for players to experience that content through LIMITED RESPECING.

Also in your outright dismissal I notice how you haven't yet rebuffed any of what i said with a logical counterpoint. On the other hand CCP has changed core game mechanical features constantly in an effort to "improve" the game and gameplay.

All weapons and suits AR cheap enough at entry level to get a feel for them. The problem is that these respecers want proto gear the day it comes out instead of having a goal to work towards. Try lower tier and if you like it then upgrade. Respecs are not the same as remaps in EVE. Selling respecs is P2W. If you want to try new gear then save SP. Balance cannot happen if the balance is based off of a merc running gear with perfect skills becase they got a respec.

And sorry SP system thats can't be re-designated isn't a core mechanic its a design feature and one that doesn't even exist in eve to this extent.

You just don't like Veteran players having the opportunity to learn in hindsight and new players to correct initial mistakes before they fully understood the game. Yea no sorry but game needs to stay fresh and one of the easiest ways CCP can do that until they add in more and more content is the opportunity for players to experience that content through LIMITED RESPECING.

Also in your outright dismissal I notice how you haven't yet rebuffed any of what i said with a logical counterpoint. On the other hand CCP has changed core game mechanical features constantly in an effort to "improve" the game and gameplay.

no more respecs. When they nerf logi to actually have to be logi, all those people in proto logi suits that don't even like repping people should feel the pain.

The root of the problem is that scrubs are scrubs, they make bad choices and fail. Pros are pros and they make good decisions and win. Don't reward stupidity or punish mercs who read, think and research.

Selling Respecs aren't P2W if they are sold in the manner that PLEXs are and/or as an augmentation. Then they can either be

A) Made available on the NPC market for ISK

B) Made avaiable on the Player market for ISK, AUR, Trade.


And in the end if everyone is given 1 FREE Respec and have the opportunity to purchase 1 PAID respec a year for a total of 2 then you are paying for one more bite at the apple and if trades and all the like are available but still limited to a single use then everyone is getting the same number of chances and not everyone is being forced to pay if they get it in the market for ISK.


I am open to the idea that if the market comes ahead of this augmentation then perhaps not even allowing the 1 Freebie and require all respecs to be paid with AURum or acquired through player market. The only question becomes is if limit is 2x year is there a way for a person to purchase more than 2 but still for the game code to recognize they have already hit max limit and cant use them only trade them. If not then respecs become a rationed commodity in which in theory there are only 2x X number players possible out there. Thus those who choose not to purchase with AUR may find these items skyrocket in terms of ISK value depending on the Demand given there will only ever be a fixed supply within a year.

This would create a rather nice market commoditiy with a great tie in for market players who could have fun with just this augmentation alone and it would be a pretty nice revenue generator for CCP if they priced it b/w 9.99 and 19.99

People like this is why the ANTI-respec crowd seem to just have this opinion because they are just bitter because they got killed by caldari logis.

-an actual support-logi that is too tired of his role because of the broken game.

My bad what page is your post on? Tell me and I'll get back with you. I'm always willing to debate.

You people have no imagination whatsoever.

Fact is the game is full of content that most people don't spec into because it isnt functional and they don't want to be "stuck" with it.

The notion that we should limit respecs to force people into making decisions or to prevent FOTM respecs is ludicrous and only exists because the game developers create a weapon or item that is out of balance with the rest. To fault the players for flocking to it put blame squarely on the wrong people.


Now that said unlimited respeccing would be problematic and really wasteful. For those players that think the universe should be about making your descision matter I would counter by saying its as simple as changing neural implants that result in a mercs ability to respec and thus follow lore if its really that important to you.


From a financial standpoint a Respec should cost money and to me is a better way to get money from dust players without nickel and dimeing them over SP.

Now it may be impossible to limit individual respecs to only 2x/year but if possible they should aim to do so in addition to how they allow respec to occur. Which should be in the form of an augmentation.

This augmentation should be avaiable for ISK and AUR. But the pricing should be somewhere in the plex range if not higher. The idea here being it isn't fully P2W if the item is avaialble for ISK and AUR and if the cost is high enough it wont be used constantly but sparingly. If CCP can enforce 2 use policy every 12 months or something then CCP has created their own version of DLC. By purchasing these augmentations CCP is giving players the opportunity to access new content in the form a different specialty 2x/year.

It may be wise to even allow 1x/year Free respecs to really keep the game fresh for players and allow them to experience the game in a different way.

The benefits of this far outweighs the negatives of FOTM speccing, more to the point FOTM speccing only becomes a problem if the Devs make FOTM stuff. Add in the limitations of respecs should CCP enforce such a mechanic the risk of FOTM speccing become hazardous to anyone who goes that route if CCP is quick on balancing.

It took a month to make changes to the TAC. An optional respect would at best mean they are stuck with their decisions for the rest of the year if they use their one freebie right after or if they purchase they only have 1 additional paid respec.

This is true. I started this game last month. I was a super scrub. I had to reset my character 10 times and spent about a month testing different builds before I found a role that I liked and fit my play style. Bad decisions should never be rewarded.

There should be no more respecs given at all. There is one major reason for this.

No respecs provide balance to the game. When you allow people to continuously respec, you will have everyone flocking to the nearest OP weapon. With no respecs it takes time for people to skill up into those OP weapons which gives CCP more time to balance them before the majority of the population starts using it.

For those of you who decide to skill into future glaringly OP weapons congratulations and enjoy it while it last. They will be nerfed and you should not be entitled to a skill respec.

They already flock to the OP weapons just takes them 2 weeks or so.

Great idea and I think it would work and generation income. However, I am trying to stay in the spirit of the game by sticking with choices mean something. Being able to change my fundamental play style I ruin the idea of persistence. The skill system is sparse and underwhelming but usable. We have something unique and we should keep it because it isn't the worst thing ever.

Okay i get wanting to stick to something where there are consequences for decisions. But there are consequences to everything in this game in the form of loss and gain.

I was flirting with the idea of respeccing being driven lore as a method of changing neural implants and thus allowing for retraining. Now perhaps this is a place we can extend consequences further.

If a person were to changes specs with 100% efficiency then that is what the current respeccing would be. What if instead the "nueral implants" that allowed for respeccing were done in clusters so if you chose a cluster of skills (pre-spent SP) it was 100% efficient but perhaps not 100% ideal for the way a player wanted to play that particular suit etc. So the SP was distributed by a premade system.

Now if you wanted the freedom to choose simply make the respec <100% efficient. Perhaps you only get a refund of 80-95% of your SP or perhaps its a sliding scale so the more SP you have the less you are going to get in a respec.


So if you are at 100M SP say instead of 80-95% of your SP you only get 75% SP. Now there is a real consequence to respeccing your character, it follows a rationale lore to drive it(changing neural implants has a loss of efficieny in the transfer of "skils) and it really gives pause to people who simply just want to try new things vs people who would look to use respecs for speccing into FOTM.

Fact is the game is full of content that most people don't spec into because it isnt functional and they don't want to be "stuck" with it.

The notion that we should limit respecs to force people into making decisions or to prevent FOTM respecs is ludicrous and only exists because the game developers create a weapon or item that is out of balance with the rest. To fault the players for flocking to it put blame squarely on the wrong people.

Now that said unlimited respeccing would be problematic and really wasteful. For those players that think the universe should be about making your descision matter I would counter by saying its as simple as changing neural implants that result in a mercs ability to respec and thus follow lore if its really that important to you.

Yes to everything Crusher. Needs to be very steep. If we had spikes and clusters for sell this wouldn't be such a big deal because buying a level with a skills spike and a second with a cluster - I am just speculating on their function if the even still exist - coupled with an aurm item adds up to proto gear at level two actual skills. As long as their are ISK versions it isn't pay to win.

The whole argument of this thread is that a respec would somehow cure some of the problems with the game but in fact it would do just what Crush said. Balancing would be difficult with constantly changing skill sets and weapons that perform better would flocked to and broken items would be shunned.

There should be no more respecs given at all. There is one major reason for this.

No respecs provide balance to the game. When you allow people to continuously respec, you will have everyone flocking to the nearest OP weapon. With no respecs it takes time for people to skill up into those OP weapons which gives CCP more time to balance them before the majority of the population starts using it.

For those of you who decide to skill into future glaringly OP weapons congratulations and enjoy it while it last. They will be nerfed and you should not be entitled to a skill respec.

Thank you for the kind words. I have a question. What are spikes and clusters?

bullshit, respecs are beneficial for everyone.

bullshit, respecs are beneficial for everyone.

Care to elaborate? Or are you just gonna make statements without providing any proof or logic to back them up?