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THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.06.28 04:56:00 -
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No respects it gets abused and unbalances the game |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
572
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:06:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:There should be no more respecs given at all. There is one major reason for this.
No respecs provide balance to the game. When you allow people to continuously respec, you will have everyone flocking to the nearest OP weapon. With no respecs it takes time for people to skill up into those OP weapons which gives CCP more time to balance them before the majority of the population starts using it.
For those of you who decide to skill into future glaringly OP weapons congratulations and enjoy it while it last. They will be nerfed and you should not be entitled to a skill respec. They already flock to the OP weapons just takes them 2 weeks or so. If it only takes two weeks then why the need for respec?
Who said Respec was needed? Lol! |
Darken-Sol
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
378
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:07:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote: I have 8.2 Mill SP, but i made some VERY poor decisions plus my mediocre understanding of the written english language cost me at least 2mil+ (like me buying BASIC PROTO SUITS because i didnt quite get you could go to specialization with just Basic LvIII)
I made this same mistake. I had to reset my character like 10 times because I kept making silly mistakes.
at 5 or ten bucks a pop CCP could do alright. theyd make more money than they would off boosters. well, if its as bad as you make it out to be. maybe we could get some stuff fixed around here. |
zzZaXxx
The Exemplars
6
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Posted - 2013.06.28 05:20:00 -
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Twomanchew wrote:My belief is that they should have one last respec when they finished the core stuff that is missing right now. After that no more respecs is ok.
This. |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
126
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:04:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Yes to everything Crusher. Needs to be very steep. If we had spikes and clusters for sell this wouldn't be such a big deal because buying a level with a skills spike and a second with a cluster - I am just speculating on their function if the even still exist - coupled with an aurm item adds up to proto gear at level two actual skills. As long as their are ISK versions it isn't pay to win.
The whole argument of this thread is that a respec would somehow cure some of the problems with the game but in fact it would do just what Crush said. Balancing would be difficult with constantly changing skill sets and weapons that perform better would flocked to and broken items would be shunned.
Isn't that happening (now) without respecs too?
Anyway what do you guys think of untraining one skill-level a week with a loss of X% SP of that levels SP? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
126
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:07:00 -
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THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote:No respects it gets abused and unbalances the game
I can get that people don't want respecs in line of decision making,...but making the game unbalanced? No, do you care to elaborate? |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:08:00 -
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RKKR wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Yes to everything Crusher. Needs to be very steep. If we had spikes and clusters for sell this wouldn't be such a big deal because buying a level with a skills spike and a second with a cluster - I am just speculating on their function if the even still exist - coupled with an aurm item adds up to proto gear at level two actual skills. As long as their are ISK versions it isn't pay to win.
The whole argument of this thread is that a respec would somehow cure some of the problems with the game but in fact it would do just what Crush said. Balancing would be difficult with constantly changing skill sets and weapons that perform better would flocked to and broken items would be shunned. Isn't that happening (now) without respecs too? Anyway what do you guys think of untraining one skill-level a week with a loss of X% SP of that levels SP?
Yes it is happening and it would be even worse if everyone could dump all their SP into whatever they want at anytime. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:12:00 -
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RKKR wrote:
Isn't that happening (now) without respecs too?
Anyway what do you guys think of untraining one skill-level a week with a loss of X% SP of that levels SP?
What percentage are we talking? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
126
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:18:00 -
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@The Robot Devil: Yes, but it also gives a chance to come up with counter-tactics instead of useless nerfs,... And I'm still thinking out of a perspective that the games needs more development for an actual release so My opinion is that it won't be worse for this development period.
@CuuCH Crusher: Feel free to give a suggestion, how do you like the idea? |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
488
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:31:00 -
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RKKR wrote:THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote:No respects it gets abused and unbalances the game I can get that people don't want respecs in line of decision making,...but making the game unbalanced? No, do you care to elaborate?
Post #180 in this thread. |
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CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:31:00 -
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RKKR wrote: @CuuCH Crusher: Feel free to give a suggestion, how do you like the idea?
The more I think about it, the more I like it. It keeps the SP system intact while also allowing players to modify their skill points (at a cost). Because you can only untrain one skill-level per week, it effectively eleminates the FOTM chaser problem helping keep the game balanced, while also giving players more freedom over their SP. Everyone basically gets what they want. I'd say it is a very balanced approach. Personally I think a 15-25% loss in SP (not lifetime, just the amount of SP you get back for that certain level) would be fair. |
Draco Dustflier
DUST University Ivy League
147
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Posted - 2013.06.28 08:46:00 -
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Threadnought status achieved. |
Revelations 514
Red Star. EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:33:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:All weapons and suits AR cheap enough at entry level to get a feel for them. The problem is that these respecers want proto gear the day it comes out instead of having a goal to work towards. Try lower tier and if you like it then upgrade. Respecs are not the same as remaps in EVE. Selling respecs is P2W. If you want to try new gear then save SP. Balance cannot happen if the balance is based off of a merc running gear with perfect skills becase they got a respec.
This exactly. Why need a respec? No one is stopping you from putting SP into something new if you want to try it out. If enjoyment is really the goal, wouldn't this give you even more to "enjoy" by building your way back up. Then you are more well rounded as a benefit.
It seems that instant gratification is the word of the day.
Maybe for noobs have a one time respec. Once you use it your done. If even that. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:44:00 -
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Revelations 514 wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:All weapons and suits AR cheap enough at entry level to get a feel for them. The problem is that these respecers want proto gear the day it comes out instead of having a goal to work towards. Try lower tier and if you like it then upgrade. Respecs are not the same as remaps in EVE. Selling respecs is P2W. If you want to try new gear then save SP. Balance cannot happen if the balance is based off of a merc running gear with perfect skills becase they got a respec.
This exactly. Why need a respec? No one is stopping you from putting SP into something new if you want to try it out. If enjoyment is really the goal, wouldn't this give you even more to "enjoy" by building your way back up. Then you are more well rounded as a benefit. It seems that instant gratification is the word of the day. Maybe for noobs have a one time respec. Once you use it your done. If even that.
Last night, RKKR came up with a pretty good idea to address the problems people are concerned about. Under his plan you could untrain one skill level per week at the cost of a certain percentage of the SP you acquire by doing this. This system would provide more flexibility while at the same time maintaining the SP system. |
Skihids
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1666
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:45:00 -
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I'm doing as the ever wise OP instructs us to do.
I will keep my 14m unallocated SP from my recent respec unspent until CCP completes and balances the basic content.
Of course that means not playing for the next year, but the OP knows all. |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
37
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Posted - 2013.06.28 18:46:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote: Last night, RKKR came up with a pretty good idea to address the problems people are concerned about. Under his plan you could untrain one skill level per week at the cost of a certain percentage of the SP you acquire by doing this. This system would provide more flexibility while at the same time maintaining the SP system.
Cool idea. Never going to happen though. Its in violation of the rules. |
Happy Accidents
Closed For Business For All Mankind
1
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:14:00 -
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i just wanted my one initial repec that i applied for almost two months ago for the simple fact of being new to the set up and putting points in the wrong spots... has nothing to do with op'd items. has everything to do with not realizing this game was based on certain set attributes that pertain to a play style instead of just lvling crap up. if i want to use tanks. then i need to use all my points for tanks and stick with starter class gear to earn them. if i blew all my points on a better main weapon and armour, i would not have the points to upgrade a tank properly....
*never got my respec btw* |
hamual jackson
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
22
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Posted - 2013.07.01 05:23:00 -
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Skihids wrote:I'm doing as the ever wise OP instructs us to do.
I will keep my 14m unallocated SP from my recent respec unspent until CCP completes and balances the basic content.
Of course that means not playing for the next year, but the OP knows all. Seems that the best idea at the moment, because at the rate things are getting nerfed you are sure to waste some sp. |
Skihids
Tritan's Onslaught RISE of LEGION
1676
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Posted - 2013.07.01 17:03:00 -
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hamual jackson wrote:Skihids wrote:I'm doing as the ever wise OP instructs us to do.
I will keep my 14m unallocated SP from my recent respec unspent until CCP completes and balances the basic content.
Of course that means not playing for the next year, but the OP knows all. Seems that the best idea at the moment, because at the rate things are getting nerfed you are sure to waste some sp.
That was a bit of sarcasm.
I did drop about 8m SP into dropsuit upgrades which is as safe a bet as you will find in DUST. Then I took Caldari ADV Assault and the AR up to Prof 4 and SS 4. Both of those are moderate risks. That leaves 3.4 unspent
It's a bland fitting, but that's the safe thing. Assault/AR 514 is where it's at for the foreseeable future. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
126
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Posted - 2013.07.15 18:57:00 -
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Oso Peresoso wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote: Last night, RKKR came up with a pretty good idea to address the problems people are concerned about. Under his plan you could untrain one skill level per week at the cost of a certain percentage of the SP you acquire by doing this. This system would provide more flexibility while at the same time maintaining the SP system.
Cool idea. Never going to happen though. Its in violation of the rules.
What rules? |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3343
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:07:00 -
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Well, at least you didn't create another thread. Better to necro a thread than copy one. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2013.07.15 19:36:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Well, at least you didn't create another thread. Better to necro a thread than copy one.
True. It seems like we hear alot of pro respec opinions, I thought it would good to hear what the other side has to say. |
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