DUST Search - Absolutely No More Respecs.

The Robot Devil wrote:

RKKR wrote:

DUST514 the game where you make the choice to wait until the game is decent enough for an actual release or just be ****** up later on.

Clearly I'm the only one that thinks this game needs work on all its gear with some decent testing (aka Beta) but hey I'm the ignorant fuckhead that wants to ruin the game mechanics that are already broken.

I'm currently just staying for the people I play with, but yes leaving the game is on my mind because each day seems like that CCP won't be able to recover from their UPRISING-fuckup anytime soon and missed their boat to be innovative. Not respeccing will only slow this process down, that's why I'm in favor of respeccing until the game is decent enough and it's also a great way to evaluate respeccing (which means it doesn't have to be permanent). Anyway feel free to think I'm just QQ'ing because I'm afraid of a NERF (not even specced into OP stuff) or that I invested my SP wrong we'll see how the game will end SOONGäó.

I understand that upcoming nerfs make us nervous but CCP does fix things. They are working on a difficult to program piece of hardware that is 7 years old on a schedule that they don't have full control over. I am saying don't jump ship. Play another game for a while and come back. Taking a break really helps.


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RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2013.06.26 10:40:00 - [1] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: There should be no more respecs given at all. There is one major reason for this. No respecs provide balance to the game. When you allow people to continuously respec, you will have everyone flocking to the nearest OP weapon. With no respecs it takes time for people to skill up into those OP weapons which gives CCP more time to balance them before the majority of the population starts using it. For those of you who decide to skill into future glaringly OP weapons congratulations and enjoy it while it last. They will be nerfed and you should not be entitled to a skill respec. Or maybe CCP has to fully test the game first to balance everything. How does one test all items? Let the players respec as much as they want so they can test everything. Once everything is balanced and the game is ready for its REAL release you can stop giving respecs (but maybe by that time you will realise that respecing doesn't harm the game). But nice try to push your anti-respec-agenda.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2013.06.26 11:05:00 - [2] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: The game will never have balance because new gear will always be introduced. Respecs are bad for DUST because it takes away from the persistance that is promoted. I don't want to see a mercs name and have to guess on what they will be doing in this battle because they just introduced a new suit or weapon. Didn't this game also promote high risk/high reward? How much risk is bringing all proto gear lately? DUST has been promoted as many things. You know it was also promoted as a game where you could play what the **** you ever want to equip but in reality that isn't true because you will need a shitload of SP to do that even though the new trailer says you have fought (and have the experience) of thousand battles and such...are you getting the point? I'm sure as hell that everyone wants to fight a predictable war...maybe you should try a game of tic-tac-toe instead.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 125	Posted - 2013.06.26 15:01:00 - [3] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: It seems the vast majority of the opposition are basing their argument on CCP being able to balance Dust correctly. Have they been able to balance Dust so far? They have not been able to since they decided to do a complete different game with the release of uprising without actually testing stuff out. I'm glad to test things out but can't due to limited SP. So the no-respec makes balancing stuff even harder and yes thanks for ignoring my previous post . And isn't your 'hahaha-your-OP-stuff-is-going-to-be-nerfed' part of a balance? So I'm not sure what you are saying here.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 11:21:00 - [4] - Quote @CuuCH Crusher No-one is saying you should be able to respec every 5min or without a cost, I don't really see your problem against respecs and don't you think that the game will become more interesting if you can switch up your play styles?
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:14:00 - [5] - Quote Your logic is that we can't switch between different roles and weapons because we end up with a COD clone? I never played COD can u explain? What's so bad about it? If the game ages and people have access to more SP won't they be able to switch it up? So it still will be COD in the long run? What makes the players able to switch it up all the time if there is a restricted respec?
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:23:00 - [6] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: If a respec system was implemented(opposed, btw) any more than 1 or 2 a year would remove the consequences of decisions to dump SP into an OP style (caldari logi). "Who cares, I will just respec when the fix it" I never want to hear that. Then they shouldn't adjust gear when it's released because all you people are saying you have to stick with your choice, but when they adjust it, it isn't your choice anymore. Resulting in a **** game.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:30:00 - [7] - Quote THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote: Thereshould be no respec unless they change skills imsick of ppl specing into the flavor ofthe month deal with it ahh qq wahh What about people that don't want to respec in FOTM? (What where the FOTMs up untill now BTW?)
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 15:38:00 - [8] - Quote Jin Robot wrote: RKKR wrote: Jin Robot wrote: If a respec system was implemented(opposed, btw) any more than 1 or 2 a year would remove the consequences of decisions to dump SP into an OP style (caldari logi). "Who cares, I will just respec when the fix it" I never want to hear that. Then they shouldn't adjust gear when it's released because all you people are saying you have to stick with your choice, but when they adjust it, it isn't your choice anymore. Resulting in a **** game. You act as if they are pulling teeth, just deal with it. Your tears are not worth ruining what appealed to many. May as well drop all skill requirements on gear, if it becomes so easy to switch SP around. Is that your counter-argument? LOL I never said that respecs should be easy, only to test out stuff/balancing which they should have done in beta. After that they can get rid of respecs. Don't see What's so appealing in playing a broken game.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 16:01:00 - [9] - Quote CuuCH Crusher wrote: RKKR wrote: Your logic is that we can't switch between different roles and weapons because we end up with a COD clone? I never played COD can u explain? What's so bad about it? If the game ages and people have access to more SP won't they be able to switch it up? So it still will be COD in the long run? What makes the players able to switch it up all the time if there is a restricted respec? I use COD loosely. By that I mean just another cookie cutter FPS with no real innovation. People are getting sick of the same old shooters. I you get rid of the SP system or make it irrelevant, you effectively killed what made the game different. Yes in the long run people will be able to diversify. This is the main reason we don't need respecs. In the short run it is cool that people have to specialize. In the end we will all end up in the same place, but how we all got there will be different, which I think sets dust apart from the rest of the shooters. Aren't you seeing all the people that are bored of DUST now? Don't really think that DUST has anything innovative as a FPS-mechanics, maybe in the future...DUST can be more innovative than a SP system so you guys are still happy. The current SP system is just a drag that attracts AFKers and makes people spec into the same thing out of fear.....sounds really fun to play. What are you going to do at that 'end-point'? Tell stories how you got the same build?
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 20:36:00 - [10] - Quote DUST514 the game where you make the choice to wait until the game is decent enough for an actual release or just be ****** up later on. Clearly I'm the only one that thinks this game needs work on all its gear with some decent testing (aka Beta) but hey I'm the ignorant fuckhead that wants to ruin the game mechanics that are already broken. I'm currently just staying for the people I play with, but yes leaving the game is on my mind because each day seems like that CCP won't be able to recover from their UPRISING-fuckup anytime soon and missed their boat to be innovative. Not respeccing will only slow this process down, that's why I'm in favor of respeccing until the game is decent enough and it's also a great way to evaluate respeccing (which means it doesn't have to be permanent). Anyway feel free to think I'm just QQ'ing because I'm afraid of a NERF (not even specced into OP stuff) or that I invested my SP wrong we'll see how the game will end SOONGäó.

RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 20:55:00 - [11] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: RKKR wrote: DUST514 the game where you make the choice to wait until the game is decent enough for an actual release or just be ****** up later on. Clearly I'm the only one that thinks this game needs work on all its gear with some decent testing (aka Beta) but hey I'm the ignorant fuckhead that wants to ruin the game mechanics that are already broken. I'm currently just staying for the people I play with, but yes leaving the game is on my mind because each day seems like that CCP won't be able to recover from their UPRISING-fuckup anytime soon and missed their boat to be innovative. Not respeccing will only slow this process down, that's why I'm in favor of respeccing until the game is decent enough and it's also a great way to evaluate respeccing (which means it doesn't have to be permanent). Anyway feel free to think I'm just QQ'ing because I'm afraid of a NERF (not even specced into OP stuff) or that I invested my SP wrong we'll see how the game will end SOONGäó. I understand that upcoming nerfs make us nervous but CCP does fix things. They are working on a difficult to program piece of hardware that is 7 years old on a schedule that they don't have full control over. I am saying don't jump ship. Play another game for a while and come back. Taking a break really helps. That's cool, but the uprising-build without testing and getting out of beta was such a bad move on so many levels. Then announcing that they will not give anymore respecs seems like they didn't learn anything from it or maybe I'm just having a different vision. Anyway I hope you guys get why I'm PRO-respec in the current status of the game.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.27 21:11:00 - [12] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: no more respecs. When they nerf logi to actually have to be logi, all those people in proto logi suits that don't even like repping people should feel the pain. People like this is why the ANTI-respec crowd seem to just have this opinion because they are just bitter because they got killed by caldari logis. -an actual support-logi that is too tired of his role because of the broken game.
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.28 08:04:00 - [13] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Yes to everything Crusher. Needs to be very steep. If we had spikes and clusters for sell this wouldn't be such a big deal because buying a level with a skills spike and a second with a cluster - I am just speculating on their function if the even still exist - coupled with an aurm item adds up to proto gear at level two actual skills. As long as their are ISK versions it isn't pay to win. The whole argument of this thread is that a respec would somehow cure some of the problems with the game but in fact it would do just what Crush said. Balancing would be difficult with constantly changing skill sets and weapons that perform better would flocked to and broken items would be shunned. Isn't that happening (now) without respecs too? Anyway what do you guys think of untraining one skill-level a week with a loss of X% SP of that levels SP?
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.28 08:07:00 - [14] - Quote THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen wrote: No respects it gets abused and unbalances the game I can get that people don't want respecs in line of decision making,...but making the game unbalanced? No, do you care to elaborate?
RKKR The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION 126	Posted - 2013.06.28 08:18:00 - [15] - Quote @The Robot Devil: Yes, but it also gives a chance to come up with counter-tactics instead of useless nerfs,... And I'm still thinking out of a perspective that the games needs more development for an actual release so My opinion is that it won't be worse for this development period. @CuuCH Crusher: Feel free to give a suggestion, how do you like the idea?