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CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:57:00 -
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There should be no more respecs given at all. There is one major reason for this.
No respecs provide balance to the game. When you allow people to continuously respec, you will have everyone flocking to the nearest OP weapon. With no respecs it takes time for people to skill up into those OP weapons which gives CCP more time to balance them before the majority of the population starts using it.
For those of you who decide to skill into future glaringly OP weapons congratulations and enjoy it while it last. They will be nerfed and you should not be entitled to a skill respec. |
Kevlar Waffles
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:58:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:There should be no more respecs given at all. There is one major reason for this.
No respecs provide balance to the game. When you allow people to continuously respec, you will have everyone flocking to the nearest OP weapon. With no respecs it takes time for people to skill up into those OP weapons which gives CCP more time to balance them before the majority of the population starts using it.
For those of you who decide to skill into future glaringly OP weapons congratulations and enjoy it while it last. They will be nerfed and you should not be entitled to a skill respec.
I like this |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4043
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Posted - 2013.06.25 23:58:00 -
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If CCP knew how to balance their game then respecs would only serve to freshen things up and keep people interested far longer.
It's ok though. Outdated design philosophies for a separate genre of game will totally make this game stand out. |
Twomanchew
Goose Bite
2
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:01:00 -
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My belief is that they should have one last respec when they finished the core stuff that is missing right now. After that no more respecs is ok. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4542
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:03:00 -
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Weather or not people can flock to an OP weapon has no bearing on if the weapon is OP or not. The real issue is the OP weapon itself, and once they are balanced, then your argument is in the garbage. Also people respeccing to skill into OP items are screwing themselves since OP items eventually get nerfed.
Keep in mind that we don't have the full set of dropsuits and specializations yet, so many of us have to specialize into weapons and dropsuits that would not have been our first choice. Specialization is needed to be competitive, yet it is unfair to expect people to specialize when all the options aren't present yet; this makes respecs warranted. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
12
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:07:00 -
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Twomanchew wrote:My belief is that they should have one last respec when they finished the core stuff that is missing right now. After that no more respecs is ok.
I 2nd this. With racial variants missing for both suits and the most common use weapon type in game it's hardly reasonable to expect people to stick with decisions they were forced to make early on when they would likely have chosen a completely different route if only it was available at the time. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:07:00 -
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Twomanchew wrote:My belief is that they should have one last respec when they finished the core stuff that is missing right now. After that no more respecs is ok.
CCP plans to keep releasing new content in the years to come. We have no idea when all this content will be out. We need to start somewhere and right now seems like a good place as any. If you know for a fact you want to skill into something like a Gallente heavy, start saving up. That's what I'm doing. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2396
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:07:00 -
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lol... like it matters at this point
I have proto HMG, SR, flaylock, nades and enough SP to get proto AR's. No respec needed.
I fail to see how giving people a respec will stop them from gravitating towards the OP stuff. How about CCP actually balance stuff properly huh  |
Crash Monster
Snipers Anonymous
782
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:09:00 -
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Just make people pay a little bit of Aurum or 50m Isk to get a respec... and at least 3 months between respecs. As long as it isn't every day months of game play living in what you built is probably enough of a deterrent towards stupid choices. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
904
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:11:00 -
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New Player = "It took me two months, but I've finally skilled up into my role  "
CCP = *Swings nerf hammer*
New Player = "Now I'm useless, two months of work for nothing, I'm finished with this game" |
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4045
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:12:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:New Player = "It took me two months, but I've finally skilled up into my role " CCP = *Swings nerf hammer* New Player = "Now I'm useless, two months of work for nothing, I'm finished with this game"
It's that players fault for not having the foresight to see that some day his specialization might be changed at random. If he was an intelligent DUST player and resident of New Eden, he would have AFK'd with his SP until we went into official release. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:12:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Weather or not people can flock to an OP weapon has no bearing on if the weapon is OP or not. The real issue is the OP weapon itself, and once they are balanced, then your argument is in the garbage. Also people respeccing to skill into OP items are screwing themselves since OP items eventually get nerfed.
Keep in mind that we don't have the full set of dropsuits and specializations yet, so many of us have to specialize into weapons and dropsuits that would not have been our first choice. Specialization is needed to be competitive, yet it is unfair to expect people to specialize when all the options aren't present yet; this makes respecs warranted.
You made the choice to spec into something you didn't want to just to be competitive. No one held a gun to your head and made you do it. You made the choice now live with it. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2757
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Knight SoIaire wrote:New Player = "It took me two months, but I've finally skilled up into my role " CCP = *Swings nerf hammer* New Player = "Now I'm useless, two months of work for nothing, I'm finished with this game" It's that players fault for not having the foresight to see that some day his specialization might be changed at random. If he was an intelligent DUST player and resident of New Eden, he would have AFK'd with his SP until we went into official release.
Forsight? How was I suppose to know my HMG was going to go to pretty decent to complete trash in a promised to be fresh build? Forsight's not the problem - CCP's communication is. We can't predict what they'll do next other then nerf hammer obviously broken things - but how about what was fine but still gets nerfed? How's your DS doing? It was obviously OP after missiles were nerfed - right?  |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4045
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:15:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:You made the choice to spec into something you didn't want to just to be competitive. No one held a gun to your head and made you do it. You made the choice now live with it.
Yea you NOOB, how dare you not want to run all militia gear for 17 months while we wait to move into official release.
Noob. NOOOB.
DIP DIP POTATO CHIP!
SoTa...bro....it was sarcasm.... |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:17:00 -
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What about Heavies and their racial variant dropsuits? Would we have to grind SP for a month just so we can get into a prototype Minmitar? Having only the Amarr suit available at release did not give the Heavies any options. All the racial medium frames and one-half of the light frames were released with Uprising. Heavies got nothing. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2396
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:19:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:What about Heavies and their racial variant dropsuits? Would we have to grind SP for a month just so we can get into a prototype Minmitar? Having only the Amarr suit available at release did not give the Heavies any options. All the racial medium frames and one-half of the light frames were released with Uprising. Heavies got nothing.
you will probably have to grind. CCP has shown they don't really care about heavies. Start saving up. |
SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2759
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:20:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:What about Heavies and their racial variant dropsuits? Would we have to grind SP for a month just so we can get into a prototype Minmitar? Having only the Amarr suit available at release did not give the Heavies any options. All the racial medium frames and one-half of the light frames were released with Uprising. Heavies got nothing. you will probably have to grind. CCP has shown they don't really care about heavies. Start saving up.
It's hard saving up when I keep spending all my points into LAV.
If it wasn't for my logi-lav I'd of quit a month ago lol |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:27:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:CCP has shown they don't really care about heavies. Start saving up.
This makes me sad.  |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University
Ivy League
14
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:28:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:Twomanchew wrote:My belief is that they should have one last respec when they finished the core stuff that is missing right now. After that no more respecs is ok. CCP plans to keep releasing new content in the years to come. We have no idea when all this content will be out. We need to start somewhere and right now seems like a good place as any. If you know for a fact you want to skill into something like a Gallente heavy, start saving up. That's what I'm doing.
This isn't expansion worthy though. In the case of the Gallente heavy it's core functionality and choice that never should have missed release, and for that matter open beta for proper balance testing/etc. We will come to a point of having new content be genuinely new content and not basic gameplay elements in delayed form, but the racial suits aren't that point. |
BARDAS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:28:00 -
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Considering that this game is skill heavy and those skills are still changing it would only be prudent to allow free respecs every time a major change is made. Reading between the lines in these posts there is no valid reason I see to not allow them. Most people are concerned that people will gravitate to the OP flavor of the month build. Translation: I'm worried that people will suddenly be better than me and kill me. This justification is based on personal gain so is thus immediately invalid as a reasonable excuse to not allow them. From a development perspective it only makes sense to allow them for player retention. No skill respec's may work in EVE, but this isn't the same game even if it is in the same Universe.
After the development stabilizes it would makes good business sense to allow respecs available via AUR only. Probably for $10 or $20. This would infuse the game with a good steady stream of cash to pay for more development of the game. Anyways, this is just my opinion. |
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2764
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:37:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:
SoTa...bro....it was sarcasm....
lol my bad. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
4545
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:38:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Weather or not people can flock to an OP weapon has no bearing on if the weapon is OP or not. The real issue is the OP weapon itself, and once they are balanced, then your argument is in the garbage. Also people respeccing to skill into OP items are screwing themselves since OP items eventually get nerfed.
Keep in mind that we don't have the full set of dropsuits and specializations yet, so many of us have to specialize into weapons and dropsuits that would not have been our first choice. Specialization is needed to be competitive, yet it is unfair to expect people to specialize when all the options aren't present yet; this makes respecs warranted. You made the choice to spec into something you didn't want to just to be competitive. No one held a gun to your head and made you do it. You made the choice now live with it.
Personally I'm satisfied with what I chose; i look stylish in my prototype Amarr logistics suit, and I got the most stylish rifle (scrambler rifle pew pew). That aside, I don't see the value of forcing people to stick with these choices, it only makes people feel trapped without adding anything positive to the game's experience. There is zero benefits to what you're proposing.
I find it funny how you want to downplay the value of being competitive when its something so vital to one's experience and enjoyment of the game. No one enjoys being steamrolled by full prototype users while only using militia gear, but this is essentially what you're asking of players if you're saying they should just wait; the whole point of games is to have fun, and this would lead to experiences far from fun. Aside from avoiding being steamrolled, many players belong to corporations involved with planetary conquest, in such battles players are expected to bring their best.
Deciding that no more respecs should be given does nothing positive for the game. |
Knight SoIaire
Better Hide R Die
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
910
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:39:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
SoTa...bro....it was sarcasm....
lol my bad.
You newb.
You obviously haven't got Lvl 5 Profiency in Internet Sarcasm Detection
Thats a core skill newb, pfft *Smug look* |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4059
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:42:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:You newb.
You obviously haven't got Lvl 5 Profiency in Internet Sarcasm Detection
Thats a core skill newb, pfft *Smug look*
And in 12 months the skill will be changed to Butt Pirate Proficiency. Better hope you like getting 'stuck' with THAT design philosophy
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SoTa PoP
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
2764
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:42:00 -
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Knight SoIaire wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:
SoTa...bro....it was sarcasm....
lol my bad. You newb. You obviously haven't got Lvl 5 Profiency in Internet Sarcasm Detection Thats a core skill newb, pfft *Smug look*
Spent all my SP into trolling and detecting retards.  |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
484
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:54:00 -
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Esp considering using the same build day after day gets so boring.
What if I wanna try speed shotgun logi? Nope... gotta grind 3 million SP (6-8 weeks depending on booster usage) for proto kin cats and proto shotguns first...
$10 respec with a 1 month cooldown? Almost everyone is happy as they can escape poor choices they made or just spice things up a bit with a new build. CCP gets a new revenue stream that is not pay to win...
I honestly see very little reason not to do it anymore... |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
4061
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:55:00 -
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Making respecs cost AUR will only make things worse :/
Payed players already have a strong advantage in terms of lots of SP to play with. Making it so only payed players could change playstyles would just be bad juju. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2013.06.26 00:58:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:$10 respec with a 1 month cooldown?
A $30 respec with a 3 month cooldown seems more viable and better for business. |
I VOTED FOR-KODOS
Absentee AFK Regiment
40
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:05:00 -
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i get no respec i tell ya. NO RESPEC |
Onesimus Tarsus
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
528
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Posted - 2013.06.26 01:11:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:You made the choice to spec into something you didn't want to just to be competitive. No one held a gun to your head and made you do it. You made the choice now live with it. Yea you NOOB, how dare you not want to run all militia gear for 17 months while we wait to move into official release. Noob. NOOOB.
DIP DIP POTATO CHIP!SoTa...bro....it was sarcasm....
Kinda sad it was also an accurate portrayal of life inside this madhouse. |
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