My belief is that they should have one last respec when they finished the core stuff that is missing right now. After that no more respecs is ok.

Weather or not people can flock to an OP weapon has no bearing on if the weapon is OP or not. The real issue is the OP weapon itself, and once they are balanced, then your argument is in the garbage. Also people respeccing to skill into OP items are screwing themselves since OP items eventually get nerfed.

Keep in mind that we don't have the full set of dropsuits and specializations yet, so many of us have to specialize into weapons and dropsuits that would not have been our first choice. Specialization is needed to be competitive, yet it is unfair to expect people to specialize when all the options aren't present yet; this makes respecs warranted.

People think it will kill diversity, but in a halfway balanced environment, it would only encourage diversity.

More importantly, it would encourage people to have FUN.

NO RESETS LEARN TO SPEND YOUR SP LIKE A RESPONSABLE GAMER OR STOP QQ ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULTS FOR SPECING INTO A HUNDRED THINGS I HAVE LESS THEN 25 SKILLS BUT THERE ALL ALMOST MAXED YOU KNOW WHY BECUASE I DIDNT SPEND LITTLE AMOUNTS I SAVED FOR MONTHS TO GET SOME SKILLS IT SUX STOP BITCHING THIS GAME ISENT FOR CASUAL PLAYERS GO PLAY COD OR SOMETHING

@CuuCH Crusher No-one is saying you should be able to respec every 5min or without a cost, I don't really see your problem against respecs and don't you think that the game will become more interesting if you can switch up your play styles?

If CCP has to give ReSpecs to keep the casuals interested, they might as well give up on all character development. You might keep players who are bored for a little bit longer, but it wouldn't be worth it (Dust 514 fails on pure shooter merits). They will still get bored. If they (the gamer) believe in the future of Dust 514, you (CCP) can demand their patience and dedication to character development. You can expect turnover, but I think that will result in a steadily growing population of dedicated people who can see themselves playing Dust 514 for 5 or 10 years. Why would you bother trying to eek a couple more months out of some casual gamer who is interested in a flavor of the month? This month it's LLAV, next month it will be BF4 or PS2, and I say, "let them go."

I think you and I have different definitions of hardcore gamers. You are probably thinking of Hardcore RPGers who are so invested into their characters it borders on an emotional codependence.

Hardcore shooters want to experience great shooting and want to try new things. Its about content consumption. Allowing respecs

1 free and 1 paid per year creates a hybrid model of what CCP does in EVE while allowing for essentially a paid DLC model to enter into the game. By allowing for up to 2 respecs a year you are keeping hardcore shooter fans interested with the ability to experience new content without having free reign and a limitless number of repecs.


Ive already given a lore perspective on how this may be possible so if hardcore RPGing is your thing well ive already provided the needed rationales from a lore perspective that would permit it.

Your logic is that we can't switch between different roles and weapons because we end up with a COD clone?

I never played COD can u explain? What's so bad about it?

If the game ages and people have access to more SP won't they be able to switch it up? So it still will be COD in the long run?

What makes the players able to switch it up all the time if there is a restricted respec?

Aren't you seeing all the people that are bored of DUST now? Don't really think that DUST has anything innovative as a FPS-mechanics, maybe in the future...DUST can be more innovative than a SP system so you guys are still happy. The current SP system is just a drag that attracts AFKers and makes people spec into the same thing out of fear.....sounds really fun to play. What are you going to do at that 'end-point'? Tell stories how you got the same build?

It takes many months to try new things, IE switching from a heavy to say a dropship pilot or tanker or just a new suit weapon combination.


Yes over time respecs will be less useful to the veteran population but not for years down the road and that can still be extended as more content is introduced. Of which CCP says there will be plenty of.
Your assertion that allowing a limited respec 1 FREE, 1 Paid would in anyway turn this game into a COD clone. You only get 2 chances a year and thats ONLY if you PAY. Otherwise once per year doesn't do anything to break the game.


It is not CCPs job to prevent players from speccing into FOTM gear, its their job to ensure none exist. Moreover given the rate at which content looks to be added a respec into a FOTM would easily trap a person in for a long time as they would have to use their LIMITED number of respecs.


My solution covers all angles,

Lore
Content generation
Balance
Keeping the game Fresh
Monetary acquisition for CCP.

All weapons and suits AR cheap enough at entry level to get a feel for them. The problem is that these respecers want proto gear the day it comes out instead of having a goal to work towards. Try lower tier and if you like it then upgrade. Respecs are not the same as remaps in EVE. Selling respecs is P2W. If you want to try new gear then save SP. Balance cannot happen if the balance is based off of a merc running gear with perfect skills becase they got a respec.

Are you dumb? I've already earned my SP, I should choose where and when I want to invest in a skill.

Adapt or die? LOL your on the forums asking for nerfs, trying taking your own advice.

How do I adapt from being the best player and in the best corp?

Please explain?

Silent majority eh? Try the rabble that is left after the REAL MAJORITY already left. So yea keep burying your head in the sand that you few are enough to allow this game to continue on and grow and become everything its supposed to be.
And sorry SP system thats can't be re-designated isn't a core mechanic its a design feature and one that doesn't even exist in eve to this extent.


You just don't like Veteran players having the opportunity to learn in hindsight and new players to correct initial mistakes before they fully understood the game. Yea no sorry but game needs to stay fresh and one of the easiest ways CCP can do that until they add in more and more content is the opportunity for players to experience that content through LIMITED RESPECING.

Also in your outright dismissal I notice how you haven't yet rebuffed any of what i said with a logical counterpoint. On the other hand CCP has changed core game mechanical features constantly in an effort to "improve" the game and gameplay.

The root of the problem is that scrubs are scrubs, they make bad choices and fail. Pros are pros and they make good decisions and win. Don't reward stupidity or punish mercs who read, think and research.

People like this is why the ANTI-respec crowd seem to just have this opinion because they are just bitter because they got killed by caldari logis.

-an actual support-logi that is too tired of his role because of the broken game.

Fact is the game is full of content that most people don't spec into because it isnt functional and they don't want to be "stuck" with it.

The notion that we should limit respecs to force people into making decisions or to prevent FOTM respecs is ludicrous and only exists because the game developers create a weapon or item that is out of balance with the rest. To fault the players for flocking to it put blame squarely on the wrong people.

Now that said unlimited respeccing would be problematic and really wasteful. For those players that think the universe should be about making your descision matter I would counter by saying its as simple as changing neural implants that result in a mercs ability to respec and thus follow lore if its really that important to you.

Yes to everything Crusher. Needs to be very steep. If we had spikes and clusters for sell this wouldn't be such a big deal because buying a level with a skills spike and a second with a cluster - I am just speculating on their function if the even still exist - coupled with an aurm item adds up to proto gear at level two actual skills. As long as their are ISK versions it isn't pay to win.

The whole argument of this thread is that a respec would somehow cure some of the problems with the game but in fact it would do just what Crush said. Balancing would be difficult with constantly changing skill sets and weapons that perform better would flocked to and broken items would be shunned.

bullshit, respecs are beneficial for everyone.

I want a respec and i dont give a **** about your opinion.

If a person is using something they bought with THEIR SP (AKA THEIR TIME) , and then it gets nerfed its not LONGER what they bought , thereby like anything else, they should have their money (in this case SP) Reimbursed.
So what if everyone flocks to the most OP weapon? This makes the problem obvious and helps to get a balance.

I throw down proto healing hives and can rep an entire squad while killing mofos.

Does a logi have to use a rep tool to be effective? I can do this while providing ammo and proto uplinks for the folks not smart enough to stick around my healing hives.

I'm convinced that ANTI-repec people are trolls. People can't be that stupid to not see the need for them to keep the game interesting for people.

Actually, if we do give respecs I don't see the reason for SP and the skill system at all. The entire point is to work your way into improving or expanding your abilities. Respecs completely bypass and trivialize this once an initial amount of SP is obtained. Also, I get SP from playing, so if I'm playing, or even if I'm not i'm getting a resource that allows me to change up my play and keep things "interesting." Respecs aren't needed for that. The only reason to think they are is if you can't function without protogear and/or full bonuses.

I'm not of the impression it's needed either, but if one wants to try something new to keep things interesting and needs the kind of SP only a respec would free up that person must be trying to throw a good amount into it. Getting advanced gear is pretty trivial and easy through normal gameplay outside of going into something which severely minimizes the amount of shared SP, and even then it should only take a couple weeks.

But then maybe that's the source of the issue. Not wanting to wait a week or 2 to get a full set going to try something new. And if it isn't in ones opinion I don't think this games progression system was designed for their liking. I can respect that, insults aside. At the same time I personally like it as is (minus missing features which I consider essential, full set of racial suits/etc, which SHOULD warrant a respec when added).

I use Nova knifes and shotguns, so first off dont think im running around in murder taxis and Duvolle ARs...

second, IF i read the description of a weapon, try it out and BUY it with my SP, and THEN the stats/preformance changes, im entitled to my respec.

(3rd, im calmed down, sorry im just foul mouthed)

4rth i agree, if everything was out and would not get changes , ok no more respecs. But every time something changes is like a brand new game, i think its fair that we get a chance to test/ create an optimal character.

Dude i Fd up my SP so badly i would be willing to spend all my AUR + -+ my Lifetime SP to get a respec....

Thats how bad i would like a respec.....
I wouldnt matter the price, if it makes the game i like playing fun again.

In all honesty though there is a free and relatively easy way of earning a respec. ALTS.
I have 5 of them all gaining passive and i wont touch them for over a year. After which that will be 5 free builds i can make anyway i choose and start nice and fresh. With ISK transfer coming this next patch and eventually ITEM transfer i have everything I need to set up my new "builds" anyway I want at little cost to me, just simply waiting for enough time to fly by.

So what if it is a new character big deal does it affect me in any negative way other than having less SP?

Nope and thats not a disadvantage as far as im concerned after a certain point SP only makes you more versatile not any stronger so i make no difference to me if I spec into a character with less SP as long as it has that threshold im good to go.

So again in the end the only people who are negatively impacted by the policy are newer players and players who don't want to maintain a series of alts on multiple PSN accounts.

I have 8.2 Mill SP, but i made some VERY poor decisions plus my mediocre understanding of the written english language cost me at least 2mil+ (like me buying BASIC PROTO SUITS because i didnt quite get you could go to specialization with just Basic LvIII)

Why? You can still use those suits. What about when the commando comes in? Should everyone get a respec because that didn't previously exist?

There's always going to be changes and additions to Dust. I say, be wise, build up and SP buffer/savings and diversify your points. Oh, and no more respecs.

Isn't that happening (now) without respecs too?

Anyway what do you guys think of untraining one skill-level a week with a loss of X% SP of that levels SP?

@CuuCH Crusher: Feel free to give a suggestion, how do you like the idea?

This exactly. Why need a respec? No one is stopping you from putting SP into something new if you want to try it out. If enjoyment is really the goal, wouldn't this give you even more to "enjoy" by building your way back up. Then you are more well rounded as a benefit.

It seems that instant gratification is the word of the day.

Maybe for noobs have a one time respec. Once you use it your done. If even that.

Cool idea. Never going to happen though. Its in violation of the rules.

Well, at least you didn't create another thread. Better to necro a thread than copy one.