Making respecs cost AUR will only make things worse :/

Payed players already have a strong advantage in terms of lots of SP to play with. Making it so only payed players could change playstyles would just be bad juju.

New Player = "It took me two months, but I've finally skilled up into my role "
CCP = *Swings nerf hammer*
New Player = "Now I'm useless, two months of work for nothing, I'm finished with this game"

If CCP knew how to balance their game then respecs would only serve to freshen things up and keep people interested far longer.

It's ok though. Outdated design philosophies for a separate genre of game will totally make this game stand out.

Fiend, I think it was you with the idea of being able to refund/respec one skill rank every so often, and the points accumulate? Wish I could copy and paste the idea here.

It was the only way to handle respecs that I've seen that sounded fair and balanced enough that it would actually improve the game.

Why thank you, I like that system, personally. Forcing people to pay money to change their build is just asking for trouble

How is that trouble? In particular, if an overpriced Isk option is available as well? Of course, in either case assuming there is a serious cool-down period.

It's a problem because you're getting very close to P2W if you can just shell out cash to get a respec.

It should either be a slow gradual respec system, or it should cost you a chunk of your SP.

I don't follow on the concept of respec equals win. You've got skill points, that you've already earned, to allocate where you want. Anyone can do so.

I don't follow on the concept of respec equals win. You've got skill points, that you've already earned, to allocate where you want. Anyone can do so.

P2UnfairAdvantage, better?

I'd rather there be no respecs and just eventually get bored of dust and quit than they be a paid option.

**** it. Who cares. Do it up. Nothing matters in this game. At all. We're just here as an experiment for CCP and Sony to see how much they can actually milk the F2P model for. Have at it, I won't be around much longer to care at this rate.

You made the choice to spec into something you didn't want to just to be competitive. No one held a gun to your head and made you do it. You made the choice now live with it.

It seems to me that you just want to force people to live within the decisions they have made... even though they were noobs at the time and will likely be driven from the game if they have to wait 6 months to get into a style of game play they would actually find more enjoyable.

If the cost in isk is high as you suggest it creates a barrier to frequent respecs. This would be able to be bypassed with AUR as it's instantly replenishable. Of course if a cool down were implemented it could reduce the effect of this potential issue, but would still exempt AUR users from dipping into their finite at any given time isk supply.

Are you kidding me?

I'm constantly stirring the pot on this issue and fighting for a form of respec.

I'm sorry that I don't feel that alienating a certain % of the community by forcing them to pay actual cash to fix their mistakes is a good idea.

There are plenty of other things that can and do draw in the AUR sales, a skill respec should never be one of them. That's something that needs to be available to everyone, or no one.

ISK is a lot easier to make then people think. Corps depending on their internal model can make 10's of millions a day based on what areas they hold and how members are paying back in. After transfers to any player become available players could easily turn alt accounts and characters into ISK mules by creating, funneling starter ISK to a main character, and then deleting them in 10 hours cycles.

AUR items are available to everyone.

AUR items are available to everyone.

Please, no offense, just help me understand what advantage someone gains via a respec.

Respec's need to hurt, or only be partial respecs.

My two favorite methods would probably be the gradual refund system, which every week gives you one refund point which you can use to take a point out of any given skill. These stack up and sit in your pool until you spend them.

Then there is the full respec that takes something like 250K SP to do each time (+50K each time after, up to 500K per respec). This allows those who really screwed up the option to get their respec while strongly discouraging frequent respecs by setting you back a week each time


Everyone who has money, yes.

ISK is a lot easier to make then people think. Corps depending on their internal model can make 10's of millions a day based on what areas they hold and how members are paying back in. After transfers to any player become available players could easily turn alt accounts and characters into ISK mules by creating, funneling starter ISK to a main character, and then deleting them in 10 hours cycles.

Respec's need to hurt, or only be partial respecs.

My two favorite methods would probably be the gradual refund system, which every week gives you one refund point which you can use to take a point out of any given skill. These stack up and sit in your pool until you spend them.

Then there is the full respec that takes something like 250K SP to do each time (+50K each time after, up to 500K per respec). This allows those who really screwed up the option to get their respec while strongly discouraging frequent respecs by setting you back a week each time


Everyone who has money, yes.

New Player = "It took me two months, but I've finally skilled up into my role "
CCP = *Swings nerf hammer*
New Player = "Now I'm useless, two months of work for nothing, I'm finished with this game"

that is not ccp's target market.

that is not ccp's target market.

For partial I'd say simply being able to respec a particular page (dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrades etc) that had some sort of cooldown time between usage.

I'm also starting to like the idea of a free respec that has a month or more cooldown. However said cooldown can be overridden with an SP cost that is based on the time left on the cooldown, and the SP cost must be paid from unallocated SP.

I'd argue that both of these ideas still let respecs happen so often you'd end up with never-ending FOTM chasing still. It'd just be slowed down to a monthly cycle.

The only reason (and the main reason) I like DUST's idea is that it's slow. It'd take months to go from a fully-kitted TAC using Caldari Logi to a Flaylock spewing Minnie Assault. And since you'd be prevented from making a knee-jerk respec, you might find you still liked your post-nerf Caldari Logi and keep the points in it anyway.

Any solution must be slow and limited to prevent FOTM chasing. DUST Fiend's is the only one I've heard that does it. The only other option would be: no respec whatsoever. Which is what we already have.

I've asked before and never got an answer other then it would be the same as any other game, hobby or what have with an for of meta-game, but why is Flavor of the Month chasing so bad in the first place?