I also want to comment, that making such a large amount of our weekly SP in the form of 'active' SP, makes this game feel like work.

Every time something changes and say.. a gun is no longer fun or viable, the 1-2 million SP we put into that gun feels like we lost weeks and weeks of effort. And it makes the majority of us upset when that happens.

Honestly.. the idea of active SP is to keep people playing the games, and I understand that, but its also hurting this game more than anything, cause people are constantly having to 'work' to get that next unlock.

In eve, you set your skills and then play the game to have fun or metagame or whatever, but you arent grinding and working for that SP.

Shifting the weekly pool of available SP from majority active to majority passive would help this game feel more fun, a lot more fun.

If you can get 500k / week with boosters, and 300k of that is active = work/grind to advance.

If it was more like 50-100k of that was active = small bonus for playing (sweet) but not required week after week until you can finally settle into a good fit at 15 million SP at which point you're so burned out you wanna just quit the game anyways.

My calc was based on changing the SP Cap to 1 mil SP (or 1.5 mil SP with booster) per week. It is not based on the existing cap.

I am comparing the current cap with what CCP intended was to be the length to *max all skills* I wasnt calling you out or anything on your calculations

Could you explain the difference between maxing out a character and maxing out all skills? Aren't they the same thing...

I am comparing the current cap with what CCP intended was to be the length to *max all skills* I wasnt calling you out or anything on your calculations

The voting options never included removing the skill point cap sadly..... considering the population of the sever and the amount of votes it is sad. Hopefully a change happens next year at least......


Soon TM

By maxing out a character I mean you have a specialty pretty much leveled plus the basic skills. For example my main character specialization is an Amarr logi. If I had Amarr logistics drop suit to level 5, Dropsuit core upgrades level 5, Shield and armor upgrades all level 5, Nanocircutry 5, Uplink 5, repair tool level 5, and all the skills associated with the 2 main weapons I use leveled to 5. That would be a maxed specialty.

Note I would still have no skills in vehicles, other dropsuits, other weaposn, etc...

My bad on poor terminology usage

Furthermore I do think there should be someway of adequately influencing sp to give an advantage to a player that plays more casually vs a hardcore player. Like in WoW you got a bonus to experience if you hadn't played in awhile.

I'd just like to say that I'm glad this thread is staying constructive and we are all having a legitimate discussion about the topic at hand and have not resorted to trolling or flaming.

I commend you all.

It should be noted that the vast community was extremely happy at the time with changing the old skill system. 20k a day and having to log in every single day was crazy. It was making me go insane, but now that is has improved we need another improvement, but it should NOT be PRIORITIZED OVER AIMING!

Goodjob troll bait

By maxing out a character I mean you have a specialty pretty much leveled plus the basic skills. For example my main character specialization is an Amarr logi. If I had Amarr logistics drop suit to level 5, Dropsuit core upgrades level 5, Shield and armor upgrades all level 5, Nanocircutry 5, Uplink 5, repair tool level 5, and all the skills associated with the 2 main weapons I use leveled to 5. That would be a maxed specialty.

Note I would still have no skills in vehicles, other dropsuits, other weaposn, etc...

My bad on poor terminology usage

Furthermore I do think there should be someway of adequately influencing sp to give an advantage to a player that plays more casually vs a hardcore player. Like in WoW you got a bonus to experience if you hadn't played in awhile.

...That does not make sense.



The aim of the skill cap is to ensure players progress through the skill tree at a steady pace, to dis-incentivize 24/7 grinding and to maintain a manageable gap between casual and hardcore players.

That's a pretty decent suggestion. Might I suggest you to share that over here?

I ll try to get some more info about where we stand on the rolling cap. Hopefully CCP Frame can provide some more info about that.

I think I like this idea, but not no extreme. Currently if you're using omega boosters you get like 340k sp a week in passive. I get like another 290k in active and maybe 50 matches more averaging around 1400 sp a battle. So yeah because I have like 15 mill (and not burned out yet ) decrease my sp to like 200k a week with boosters, make boosters put veterans on par with unboosted sp to prevent hardcore vets from continuing to increase the gap

What Shadow heat said makes PERFECTLY good sense. Belittling and laughing at him doesn't speak well of your true intentions, imho


Alternatively, your given explanation of what you "claim" to be the truth of the matter, makes "very little" sense given the FACTS about the situation in-game.
In fact, you practically VALIDATE Shadow's post during your "corrective" explanation.

That cap is freaking brutal on new players.
It's #1 among the reasons that I've talked no less than 20+ friends and coworkers out of downloading and trying this game just during this past week alone (sending them to check out Last of Us, instead, in every single case. That's PAYING consumers that inquired with me about Dust514, open to downloading and playing it during the past week, that each surprisingly had heard nothing of Last of Us with the exception of one, and are ALL currently playing Last of Us and NOT playing Dust...... or as I've been putting it "not touch Dust even with a 10 foot pole").

Dismiss, belittle, and even berate your active playerbase more, CCP. That will work out well for you... trust me. (do I really need to add the sarcasm tag here?)

What Shadow heat said makes PERFECTLY good sense. Belittling and laughing at him doesn't speak well of your true intentions, imho


Alternatively, your given explanation of what you "claim" to be the truth of the matter, makes "very little" sense given the FACTS about the situation in-game.
In fact, you practically VALIDATE Shadow's post during your "corrective" explanation.

That cap is freaking brutal on new players.
It's #1 among the reasons that I've talked no less than 20+ friends and coworkers out of downloading and trying this game just during this past week alone (sending them to check out Last of Us, instead, in every single case. That's PAYING consumers that inquired with me about Dust514, open to downloading and playing it during the past week, that each surprisingly had heard nothing of Last of Us with the exception of one, and are ALL currently playing Last of Us and NOT playing Dust...... or as I've been putting it "not touch Dust even with a 10 foot pole").

Dismiss, belittle, and even berate your active playerbase more, CCP. That will work out well for you... trust me. (do I really need to add the sarcasm tag here?)

Honestly I think if they implemented matchmaking then it would mitigate all this QQ'ing over the skill cap.

Thing about the cap is that is preserves a distance between vets and newbs rather than protecting against it. This is because having the entire skill tree maxed out or just having one build maxed out gives you the same advantage in a firefight versus a new player. Removing cap would do much more to allow new players to feel like they control closing that gap. As it is, a new player simply cannot close the gap in fewer than three or four months no matter how good they are or how much they play. For many, this gives a sense of all those games being more or less pointless and not having control over your own destiny.

By this i mean: Vet has say full proto caldari assault with proto AR and all that jaz. Faces a 1mil SP noob... same out come if he happens to have access to every single proto and tank and everything else. At anyone one time, only your proficiency in one build actually gives you the advantage. So removing cap will make it possible for new players to get that one good build quicker. The advantage to vets is they get to have several builds to choose from, but still, they can only use one at a time. And, in many ways, your first 3-4mil SP are much more potent than say SP 10mil-13mil because you can only get the core upgrades once.

For those people who really want to grind and grind... well they get to have access to everything and then sit there thinking "well, what do I do now?" Those people will exist in every RPG but they really don't affect balance. Again, even if someone had absolutely every skill maxed... they're still only going to have the benefits of one fully skilled build at a time, so any other full skill build should be on equal footing.

Just curious, anyone know the math on fully specing the dropsuit upgrades seciton? Obviously some are more potent than others (Shields and armor 25% probably being the strongest per point).

so a player that dedicates less time to dust should be praised...... amazed

No disrepect intended, but been playing the new shooters of "talkative" developers for over a decade. Not gonna bother clarifying a former post of mine just to clear up misconceptions on your part that are likely fabricated (read: playing dumb)

I could list of a long list of now defunct developers that you've just freakishly reminded me of, but that would be an act of exceeding kindness on my part and I'm just not feeling such motivation currently (akin to what happens when I hit SP cap in-game)

It's your bed, make it however you want. Just know that gamers like myself will ensure that you lie in it. If you're cool with that, then so be it.

Great concept of a game you guys had here. Terrible business model and implementation (in terms of longsightedness), but still a great concept nontheless.
I really wish there was much less pain in your progression system and power level gaps... would be a much more enjoyable "FPS SHOOTER" then. Too bad that's not the case. Enjoy "learning" just what it is that you're doing wrong the hard way.

Read the post above yours, it doesn't take that much sp to get an endgame ready fit. It's not that much different than when I played ragnarok online. I played for months to get my Lord Knight transcended to level 90 (never even completely maxxed him and got kicked around in pvp until I put in the time, if 6 mill sp is all you need to be nearly the same as a top level killer, with half his sp, then whats gives?

So...Take Chicagocubs, the man has like 20mil sp. He has like hmg proficiency 5, forge proficiency 5, smg proficiency 3, shield extension 5, armor upgrades 5, shield upgrades 5, I think he has reload speed up to 3 on each weapon, like hacking 3, electronics 5, powergrid upgrades 5, dropsuit command 3, his heavy suit to 5, he's got skills in armor plating and repping and blah blah blah...he STIL needs/wants reloading to be maxed, he still is now debating getting one of these core godlock pistols, and he still needs to save up for when he gets his 1st (as in he doesn't have a sentinel suit!) racial proto suit. And he plays more than more people combined.

Is it to limit those who have the time to play frequently?

A deterrent to keep dedicated players from playing too much?

A way to ensure that newer players aren't at too much of a disadvantage?

A punishment for playing a game whom one enjoys too much?

A way to keep players from reaching endgame too quickly?

Seriously, what is the point behind the SP cap? I want a legitimate answer as to why when players hit the cap, they are limited to receiving anywhere from 450 - 1500 SP max with an Active Booster equipped.

Then there is the P2W quote that comes up again. Skill points are nice, but they don't guarantee victory on the Battlefield. Believe me, I don't do any better in proto gear over militia one (Yes, yes, yes.... I might not be the best! ;) ).