So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

20? I can get 11 with my finger a mod would cause it to overheat faster..

SR is fine, keep the hate on the flaylock pistol.

20, maybe 19 if you didn't want to risk the overheat too much.

To test for accurate numbers I took a programmable mouse and set a macro to click at 1ms intervals and hit roughly 20 rounds before overheating every time.

Given how ****** the gauges in this game are it could be that there is a lag in the overheating that allows extra shots in at max rpm if people doing it manually get fewer shots in.

I know how to count. With a 45 round magazine each test left me with 20 rounds remaining in the clip.

lol... bro, the gun overheats, rendering modded controllers USELESS.

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Scrambler rifle overheats at 12 shots.

Bro... try reading... the weapon dumps out almost 1500 damage BEFORE overheating...

If you need to do more than 1500 damage to whatever you're shooting and it isn't dead yet you have more problems than your gun overheating.

Bro... try reading... the weapon dumps out almost 1500 damage BEFORE overheating...

If you need to do more than 1500 damage to whatever you're shooting and it isn't dead yet you have more problems than your gun overheating.

Guess I should go pick up a modded controller with my proto Amarr assault suit.

lol i can tell you don't use SR. If you did, you'll realize you have no argument.

I was a bit skeptical about this since I've been using a Scrambler rifle for the better part of two weeks now. I jumped in a quick Ambush to see for myself, and OP seems to be correct. Using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle on a regular DS3 controller, I was able to get 17 shots off before overheating (albeit without aiming at all) just mashing R1. I could easily see someone on a keyboard & mouse or modded controller doing 20-23. This could be problematic, given how strong the Scrambler Rifle family can be, but since they appear to have less range than your Assault Rifles do/did, it may be OK.

EDIT: Firing normally, this drops to about 13 shots before an overheat.

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

I don't really need an argument given I have physical evidence and this thing called "math". The two of those together tend to speak for themselves.

You people can try and counter with "I can only fire it X times with my finger, there's no way you got 20!". Yea, you used your finger and I'm testing using the same or similar methods as people that have been exploiting semi-auto weapons.

The rest of the math is all there plain as day going straight off the numbers provided by CCP.

You may not have the range of the TAC but if you line someone up in the Scrambler Rifle's sweet spot you can exploit it's high damage and ROF to drop them in less than a second.

If CCP wanted people to be firing this weapon dropping people that fast then why would they drop the damage on the actual assault versions? It's the same situation as the TAC where ignorance of mods and macros precluded using realistic values for a semi-auto rate of fire.

I don't really need an argument given I have physical evidence and this thing called "math". The two of those together tend to speak for themselves.

You people can try and counter with "I can only fire it X times with my finger, there's no way you got 20!". Yea, you used your finger and I'm testing using the same or similar methods as people that have been exploiting semi-auto weapons.

The rest of the math is all there plain as day going straight off the numbers provided by CCP.

You may not have the range of the TAC but if you line someone up in the Scrambler Rifle's sweet spot you can exploit it's high damage and ROF to drop them in less than a second.

If CCP wanted people to be firing this weapon dropping people that fast then why would they drop the damage on the actual assault versions? It's the same situation as the TAC where ignorance of mods and macros precluded using realistic values for a semi-auto rate of fire.

I don't really need an argument given I have physical evidence and this thing called "math". The two of those together tend to speak for themselves.

You people can try and counter with "I can only fire it X times with my finger, there's no way you got 20!". Yea, you used your finger and I'm testing using the same or similar methods as people that have been exploiting semi-auto weapons.

The rest of the math is all there plain as day going straight off the numbers provided by CCP.

You may not have the range of the TAC but if you line someone up in the Scrambler Rifle's sweet spot you can exploit it's high damage and ROF to drop them in less than a second.

If CCP wanted people to be firing this weapon dropping people that fast then why would they drop the damage on the actual assault versions? It's the same situation as the TAC where ignorance of mods and macros precluded using realistic values for a semi-auto rate of fire.

Where does your "math" explain how firing faster, thus reducing the time of cooldown between each shot can lead to more shots beeing fired before overheat?

This requires a flaw in the heat buildup algorhythm to be possible and you provide no data to justify this assumption.

If scramblers get nerfed I will take my leave till dust comes to the ps4

Then guess what, there must be a flaw in the heat buildup algorithm.

I've been getting 19-20 shots out before an overheat, someone else has already replied saying they managed 17 just hitting the button as fast as possible without caring for accuracy.

If people using the weapon normally claim to get at most 10-11 then there's something wrong with how the weapon is registering heat buildup.

I never said getting in that many shots made sense, I just said it's possible.

To test for accurate numbers I took a programmable mouse and set a macro to click at 1ms intervals and hit roughly 20 rounds before overheating every time.

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Improper use of the scrambler rifle will net the rifle more kills on the user than the targets the user intended.

From what it sounds like, if scramblers get nerfed to adjust the OP's issue, you won't notice they got nerfed at all.

The weapon should not allow you to squeeze more shots off simply because you fired them faster than someone with an unmodded controller could. Seems like a legitimate issue, and something the OP could have simply posted in the bug/feedback forum instead of whining in General Discussions about.

It's a bug. CCP should fix it. The gun itself, when used as it's meant to be used, is balanced and 100% fine.

This here is why you fail at FPS games. Srsly just Biomass your toon and delete the client. FPS is clearly not the game for you.

This here is why you fail at FPS games. Srsly just Biomass your toon and delete the client. FPS is clearly not the game for you.

From what it sounds like, if scramblers get nerfed to adjust the OP's issue, you won't notice they got nerfed at all.

The weapon should not allow you to squeeze more shots off simply because you fired them faster than someone with an unmodded controller could. Seems like a legitimate issue, and something the OP could have simply posted in the bug/feedback forum instead of whining in General Discussions about.

It's a bug. CCP should fix it. The gun itself, when used as it's meant to be used, is balanced and 100% fine.

Did another quick test while keeping a close eye on the charge gauge and seem to have found our answer. Taking shots at a more "normal" rate of fire (13 shots before overheat), the charge gauge builds up a small amount higher on each shot, which means it'll build up heat more quickly. The next question would be to see how large, if any, the difference in damage is between 17 "as fast as possible" shots and 17 "normal rate of fire, would normally overheat at ~13" shots, but it seems the gun may well be Working As Inteded.

When was the last time a gun was balanced and not nerfed to hell? Havnt been on today so I couldn't use the tar..but your right if their is a bug and all they do is fix it then I won't care

Thank you for being one of the few people that sees what the problem is here.

If CCP would take a rational look at the ROF on all semi-auto weapons the vast majority of players would see no difference in their gameplay. The problem here is the minority of players that exploit the mechanic with extreme proficiency and turn an otherwise balanced weapon into a monster.

The only people that should disagree here are either exploiting the mechanic themselves or too ignorant to realize that any modifications wouldn't even impact them.

This assumes of course that you can have varying amounds of "charging" in every shot. I might be wrong about this but i had the impression that there's just two possible states i.e. "fully charged" and "not charged".

This assumes of course that you can have varying amounds of "charging" in every shot. I might be wrong about this but i had the impression that there's just two possible states i.e. "fully charged" and "not charged".

Edit: I see you already mentioned this in your post. This needs indeed some testing or Dev input.

Thank you for being one of the few people that sees what the problem is here.

If CCP would take a rational look at the ROF on all semi-auto weapons the vast majority of players would see no difference in their gameplay. The problem here is the minority of players that exploit the mechanic with extreme proficiency and turn an otherwise balanced weapon into a monster.

The only people that should disagree here are either exploiting the mechanic themselves or too ignorant to realize that any modifications wouldn't even impact them.

I'm pretty there is a bit of variable charge damage? The heat buildup is definitely different between "no charge," "half-charged" and "fully charged," so presumably the damage scales up the longer you charge as well.

Nope


You can put in variable levels of charge, happens to me all the time by mistake because i my first button press sticks sometimes when i use my mouse. It unequivocally raises the charge meter.

Also yes half charges work extremely well in a triple tap type of shot. Half charge follwed by 2 rapid shots usualy drops most people.

::facepalm::

ffs, change the title of your thread then. If you're reporting a bug, SAY IT'S A BUG.

SR abuse?

ScR is one of the few weapons CCP got right.
Anyone complaining about it is going to complain about every gun they either don't use or are killed by.
Go play Harvest Moon.

It's not just about a bug, the fact that you can squeeze out more shots with a modded input is just a byproduct of looking at everything else.

Even if a modded Scrambler Rifle hit overheat at.. I think 11 was the upper threshold someone mentioned getting manually... even at that limit you're still looking at hitting almost 850 dmg from those 11 shots and at 705 rpm that's about a second worth of firing.

That's almost double the damage you could get out of the actual prototype assault variant, all out of a 1500isk standard weapon.

This is why it's more about the abuse of the high ROF on a high damage weapon than the overheating "bug".

The Scrambler Rifleis one of the few weapons CCP got right... if it's used the way it was intended.

It was intended to be a semi-auto weapon with a rate of fire limited by human input. It was not intended to be an automatic weapon with a rate of fire limited by the 705rpm upper limit. This is where the problem lies.

You realize only a few people could pull that off most people would miss atleast a few shots unless the target is standing still then it wouldn't matter a headshot would kill you

It's not just about a bug, the fact that you can squeeze out more shots with a modded input is just a byproduct of looking at everything else.

Even if a modded Scrambler Rifle hit overheat at.. I think 11 was the upper threshold someone mentioned getting manually... even at that limit you're still looking at hitting almost 850 dmg from those 11 shots and at 705 rpm that's about a second worth of firing.

That's almost double the damage you could get out of the actual prototype assault variant, all out of a 1500isk standard weapon.

This is why it's more about the abuse of the high ROF on a high damage weapon than the overheating "bug".

Oh really, so they just randomly decided 705 rpm because they didn't expect people to actually be able to shoot that fast?

Even as a pure scrambler user since I came out I'm rarely able to pull off such a clean kill.

Glad someone else could confirm the damage difference. I was pretty sure about it, but not 100%. I wasn't really clear when I mentioned it in that second post, but the problem wouldn't be a difference in damage-- 20 ever-so-slightly charged shots spread across an overheat SHOULD do more damage than 20 charged-slightly-less ones fired rapidly. The problem would be if the latter did the SAME amount of damage.

That's what I'm saying I skilled into it the first day but got tired of overheating so I went to the tar, its not as easy as people think you can't spray with it like you could with the tar..op obviously never used a scrambler

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

THE LASER RIFLE IS OP. I GOT KILLED BY IT ONCE.

Apparently.... The faster you shoot with the Scrambler rifle, the slower it heats up...

shtdntmknosns

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=85148&find=unread

If this topic is correct then a SCR with a modded controller is indeed OP.

The good news is the "nerf" the OP suggests would actually be a huge buff for anyone spacing their shots.

Don't care if it gets nerfed or not though really. If it doesn't I'm going to use the hell out of it.

The Scrambler Rifleis one of the few weapons CCP got right... if it's used the way it was intended.

It was intended to be a semi-auto weapon with a rate of fire limited by human input. It was not intended to be an automatic weapon with a rate of fire limited by the 705rpm upper limit. This is where the problem lies.

Have you even picked up the weapon or used it on combat? if you spam like a TAC AR your going to be a sitting duck (not able to run or switch to another weapon). I Can get down to 27 rounds left in clip before i over heat and that's just sitting there and smashing the trigger as fast as i can go, and can only get of about 13 in normal combat as well as 1 Charged and 3 follow up. The huge difference between the TAC and SR is The TAC you can spray and pray and reload to do it again, the SR you have watch your Heat build-up and know when to stop firing to switch to your sidearm, if not your a sitting duck while you wait for the cool down animation to go through.

As of right now i believe both weapons are balanced and both have there advantages and draw backs.

So No MORE NERFING FOR ANY WEAPON, just need to buff those that are broken LR, MD, PC, Etc

The only explanation for all these worthless idiots coming out of the woodwork complaining (and blatantly lying) about the "overpowered" nature of the SCR is that butthurt ex-TAC users are making alts and are looking for something to ***** about ater their precious noob cannon got nerfed.

If a new player shoots an SCR right off the bat without any bonuses, they may get 5 or 7 shots. An older player might get 10. This is opposed to the tac where they just shot as many shots as they wanted, did more damage to shields and armor than the SCR, and never even had to worry about overheating.

Now STFU and take your nerf like good little boys.

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

So basically what you are saying is that for every 1.7 seconds of firing, you want to run around unable to do didly squat for 5 seconds (this incluces, reloading, meleeing, throwing nades, swapping to a sidearm or running for that matter) meaning you are one big sitting duck?

Ok so lets take those numbers for a moment...and put them in a per minute based dps sheme and you get roughly 11.520 damage dealt in that 1 minute, thats you firing like a scrub then waddling off the heat.

Or i could just grab a AR and deal 14.400 damage in that same timespan with the stock AR and keep mobile and not make myself a gigantic waddling target on the field.

If you with your scrub Turbo controller put out 115.200 dps over a 10 minute game, getting killed allot while overheating it like a boss every 1.7 seconds, the other guy will be putting out 144.000 dps.

Go ahead and use that Turbo Button, makes it easier for me to kill you, that is if you don't kill yourself first.

I'll throw this out here for visibility.

You see laser rifles build heat based on seconds of firing. This makes sense because it is a constant beam.

However, either from being lazy or crunched for time, some ccp dev copied and pasted this code as the heat mechanic for the scram rifle. It technically doesn't matter how muc or little you fire because you would have to wait a full second for the heat to begin dissipating.

Naturally the actual game plan is to not try to pace out your shots but rather fire as many times as possible in the 2.5 seconds before you overload the gun.

Luckily with over 800 rof you can get a macro mouse or modded controller and set it to hit fire 19 times and not over heat dealing nearly 1400 raw damage in 2.5 seconds.

Enjoy that tidbit and know why you just dropped dead from a scram rifle.

It's not just about a bug, the fact that you can squeeze out more shots with a modded input is just a byproduct of looking at everything else.

Even if a modded Scrambler Rifle hit overheat at.. I think 11 was the upper threshold someone mentioned getting manually... even at that limit you're still looking at hitting almost 850 dmg from those 11 shots and at 705 rpm that's about a second worth of firing.

That's almost double the damage you could get out of the actual prototype assault variant, all out of a 1500isk standard weapon.

This is why it's more about the abuse of the high ROF on a high damage weapon than the overheating "bug".

Fascinating! As we can see - the subject is crying for a Nerf despite the past 3 weeks of careful discussion and feedback concerning the scrambler rifle. He then attempts to obfuscate this by saying there is a bug. Whether there is a bug or not (I plan to test this in one hour) not withstanding - this an attempt to get a Nerf started based on the reasoning that the TAR was OP. only without considering the many drawbacks associated with the SR that TARs simply don't have.

Are you people idiots?

I NEVER suggested that people go around overhetaing the gun every time they fire it. It is ENTIRELY possible to fire in bursts without overheating and due to modded controllers and the way the gun builds up heat you can get in far more shots in that burst than people previously expected even if you stop short of the maximum number of shots for safety sake.

Then again I think some of you are just ****ing idiots since I counted at least 3 more people trying to argue that all my points are invalid because MANUALLY they weren't able to get anywhere near 20 shots before hitting an overheat while all of my tests are NOT DONE MANUALLY.

This is the entire god damn point of this thread, people are NOT manually spamming the button but using modded/turbo controllers or mice and are able to use the weapon in a manner far above how it should have been intended.

The gun overheats at 19-20 rounds with or without a modded controller, so on that point alone your point is invalid already.
The way this gun heat works is you fire, it builds up, there is no way around the buildup, modded controller or not, clicking it faster does not make it build up slower.

My finger manages 19 shots in sub 2 seconds perfectly fine, no need to use a modded controller for this and my brain manages to stop at 18 rounds perfectly fine too.

There is 0 benefit for using a modded controller on this gun.

Here's an idea, instead of calling all of this "crying" and THEN going to test it for yourself you switch the order around and test it first like someone with a brain would do.

I have empirical evidence backing up my claims combined with numerous posts from others confirming that the mechanics behind the Scrambler Rifle's heat buildup work in a manner that a modded quick succession of shots can have the same heat buildup as a slower succession of fewer shots.

It doesn't matter if the Scrambler Rifle is inferior to the TAR, this isn't a matter of Scrambler Rifle vs TAR. This is about a manually fired Scrambler Rifle vs a modded Scrambler Rifle and the modded rifle is capable of pulling off something it shouldn't.

Tell that to the people that have been trying to tear apart my argument claiming that it overheats between 9-11 shots then because you seem to be the only other person that has managed to hit the 19-20 range.

The base fact that we are able to get in 19-20 shots before an overheat while others can barely get in 10 shots pretty clearly shows that the heat buildup is not on a per shot basis but rather time based as people have repeatedly pointed out.

Seeing that admittedly no one here can physically match the rpm necessary to hit 19-20 shots per overheat while actually aiming the weapon these adjustments would have NO EFFECT on all of the people spitting all over the idea.

The gun overheats at 19-20 rounds with or without a modded controller, so on that point alone your point is invalid already.
The way this gun heat works is you fire, it builds up, there is no way around the buildup, modded controller or not, clicking it faster does not make it build up slower.

My finger manages 19 shots in sub 2 seconds perfectly fine, no need to use a modded controller for this and my brain manages to stop at 18 rounds perfectly fine too.

There is 0 benefit for using a modded controller on this gun.

edit: ill test it out later to see if this gun actually uses the Laser Rifle code for heat build up, i got the eagle eye controller handy to test that out.

Mike Poole wrote:
Seeing that admittedly no one here can physically match the rpm necessary to hit 19-20 shots per overheat while actually aiming the weapon these adjustments would have NO EFFECT on all of the people spitting all over the idea.

19 rounds is standard with an Amarr Assault suit, don't bother with this gun with any other suit, youll manage 11-14 ish.

Tried it on the Templar Renegade187 who came with no skills & scrambler rifle BPO, horrible gun without the skills in the proto amarr assault suit.

But 19 rounds is what my finger can manage and 18 is where my brain stops counting.

It's likely that with am Amarr suit and a modded setup you could hit even higher than the 19-20 range.

Who's that ?

According to this nonsense:

"My finger manages 19 shots in sub 2 seconds perfectly fine, no need to use a modded controller for this and my brain manages to stop at 18 rounds perfectly fine too."

I thought it was you!

http://www.bobmunden.com/

Feel free to post a video of this amazing feat if you can indeed shoot 19 - 20 shots in under 2 seconds.

Hrmm, so it does sound like a mod controller or mouse could be used for this.. but then again it could for everything. at least unlike the TAC AR this thing overheats, so if they are using a mod , they will overheat quite often leaving themselves vulnerable.. or this is what I believe would happen, could be wrong

Modded controllers only benefit semi-automatic weapons with high rates of fire, namely the TARs (pre patch) and Scrambler Rifles.

The overheating isn't as big a problem as people keep assuming, it's not as if anyone doing this would be as stupid to overheat over and over purposefully. A modded controller can still allow for a devastating burst of fire without the need to land land a single charged shot.

Modded controllers only benefit semi-automatic weapons with high rates of fire, namely the TARs (pre patch) and Scrambler Rifles.

The overheating isn't as big a problem as people keep assuming, it's not as if anyone doing this would be as stupid to overheat over and over purposefully. A modded controller can still allow for a devastating burst of fire without the need to land land a single charged shot.

Well, the overheat is supposed to limit the number of shots that can be fired in short order, that way balancing the weapon. The fact that shooting faster allows for almost twice the amount of bullets, instead of just overheating equally faster bothers me for it's counterintuitiveness alone. It also weakens the limiting effect that the heat mechanic is supposed to have on weapon balance.

I'd much rather have the RoF unchanged but the heat buildup fixed. Pure logic suggests that shooting faster should actually lead to fewer shots because there's less cooling time between shots. This could even be enough to stop making modded controllers worthwhile, making everyone happy.

Well, the overheat is supposed to limit the number of shots that can be fired in short order, that way balancing the weapon. The fact that shooting faster allows for almost twice the amount of bullets, instead of just overheating equally faster bothers me for it's counterintuitiveness alone. It also weakens the limiting effect that the heat mechanic is supposed to have on weapon balance.

Ive tested the Imperial Scrambler rifle + Amarr Assault Suit with the Eagle Eye converter (witch has a Turbo Button function)

Stock with just finger clicking the gun overheats at 19 clicks
Eagle Ete Converter the gun overheats at 22 clicks

Correct me if i am wrong but 22 is not the double of 19.

The gun fires at its max Rof witch is lower then the what the TAC was....

If i could have put out 38 rounds with this then yes the gun would be OP, but its 3 rounds at best with the Amarr suit bonus.

Without it its gonna be a whole lot less, lemme try that after i get back home, gotta go now.

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

Maybe it wouldn't be such a problem for you if you spent more time playing the game instead of crying on the forums.

I feel like it is one of the most balanced guns in the game, and it requires skill for it to be effective.

It isn't overpowered or underpowered, it has strengths and weaknesses.

Just play the game and quit trying to ruin it for everyone else.

From someone who uses scrambler rifles daily, it takes 4-6 shots to overheat depending on what suit you speced into.

the assault usually never overheats for me.

also scrambler rifles are kinda suckish.

THE LASER RIFLE IS OP. I GOT KILLED BY IT ONCE.

Here's an idea, instead of calling all of this "crying" and THEN going to test it for yourself you switch the order around and test it first like someone with a brain would do.

I have empirical evidence backing up my claims combined with numerous posts from others confirming that the mechanics behind the Scrambler Rifle's heat buildup work in a manner that a modded quick succession of shots can have the same heat buildup as a slower succession of fewer shots.

It doesn't matter if the Scrambler Rifle is inferior to the TAR, this isn't a matter of Scrambler Rifle vs TAR. This is about a manually fired Scrambler Rifle vs a modded Scrambler Rifle and the modded rifle is capable of pulling off something it shouldn't.

I just did and you are right it looks like. The heat build up mechanism is bugged. I can get 2 more shots firing it fast than I can slow. It'll need to be fixed.

But you are still trying to open up a Nerf train which isn't cool.

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats