Have you even picked up the weapon or used it on combat? if you spam like a TAC AR your going to be a sitting duck (not able to run or switch to another weapon). I Can get down to 27 rounds left in clip before i over heat and that's just sitting there and smashing the trigger as fast as i can go, and can only get of about 13 in normal combat as well as 1 Charged and 3 follow up. The huge difference between the TAC and SR is The TAC you can spray and pray and reload to do it again, the SR you have watch your Heat build-up and know when to stop firing to switch to your sidearm, if not your a sitting duck while you wait for the cool down animation to go through.

As of right now i believe both weapons are balanced and both have there advantages and draw backs.

So No MORE NERFING FOR ANY WEAPON, just need to buff those that are broken LR, MD, PC, Etc

The only explanation for all these worthless idiots coming out of the woodwork complaining (and blatantly lying) about the "overpowered" nature of the SCR is that butthurt ex-TAC users are making alts and are looking for something to ***** about ater their precious noob cannon got nerfed.

If a new player shoots an SCR right off the bat without any bonuses, they may get 5 or 7 shots. An older player might get 10. This is opposed to the tac where they just shot as many shots as they wanted, did more damage to shields and armor than the SCR, and never even had to worry about overheating.

Now STFU and take your nerf like good little boys.

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

So basically what you are saying is that for every 1.7 seconds of firing, you want to run around unable to do didly squat for 5 seconds (this incluces, reloading, meleeing, throwing nades, swapping to a sidearm or running for that matter) meaning you are one big sitting duck?

Ok so lets take those numbers for a moment...and put them in a per minute based dps sheme and you get roughly 11.520 damage dealt in that 1 minute, thats you firing like a scrub then waddling off the heat.

Or i could just grab a AR and deal 14.400 damage in that same timespan with the stock AR and keep mobile and not make myself a gigantic waddling target on the field.

If you with your scrub Turbo controller put out 115.200 dps over a 10 minute game, getting killed allot while overheating it like a boss every 1.7 seconds, the other guy will be putting out 144.000 dps.

Go ahead and use that Turbo Button, makes it easier for me to kill you, that is if you don't kill yourself first.

I'll throw this out here for visibility.

You see laser rifles build heat based on seconds of firing. This makes sense because it is a constant beam.

However, either from being lazy or crunched for time, some ccp dev copied and pasted this code as the heat mechanic for the scram rifle. It technically doesn't matter how muc or little you fire because you would have to wait a full second for the heat to begin dissipating.

Naturally the actual game plan is to not try to pace out your shots but rather fire as many times as possible in the 2.5 seconds before you overload the gun.

Luckily with over 800 rof you can get a macro mouse or modded controller and set it to hit fire 19 times and not over heat dealing nearly 1400 raw damage in 2.5 seconds.

Enjoy that tidbit and know why you just dropped dead from a scram rifle.

It's not just about a bug, the fact that you can squeeze out more shots with a modded input is just a byproduct of looking at everything else.

Even if a modded Scrambler Rifle hit overheat at.. I think 11 was the upper threshold someone mentioned getting manually... even at that limit you're still looking at hitting almost 850 dmg from those 11 shots and at 705 rpm that's about a second worth of firing.

That's almost double the damage you could get out of the actual prototype assault variant, all out of a 1500isk standard weapon.

This is why it's more about the abuse of the high ROF on a high damage weapon than the overheating "bug".

Fascinating! As we can see - the subject is crying for a Nerf despite the past 3 weeks of careful discussion and feedback concerning the scrambler rifle. He then attempts to obfuscate this by saying there is a bug. Whether there is a bug or not (I plan to test this in one hour) not withstanding - this an attempt to get a Nerf started based on the reasoning that the TAR was OP. only without considering the many drawbacks associated with the SR that TARs simply don't have.

Are you people idiots?

I NEVER suggested that people go around overhetaing the gun every time they fire it. It is ENTIRELY possible to fire in bursts without overheating and due to modded controllers and the way the gun builds up heat you can get in far more shots in that burst than people previously expected even if you stop short of the maximum number of shots for safety sake.

Then again I think some of you are just ****ing idiots since I counted at least 3 more people trying to argue that all my points are invalid because MANUALLY they weren't able to get anywhere near 20 shots before hitting an overheat while all of my tests are NOT DONE MANUALLY.

This is the entire god damn point of this thread, people are NOT manually spamming the button but using modded/turbo controllers or mice and are able to use the weapon in a manner far above how it should have been intended.

The gun overheats at 19-20 rounds with or without a modded controller, so on that point alone your point is invalid already.
The way this gun heat works is you fire, it builds up, there is no way around the buildup, modded controller or not, clicking it faster does not make it build up slower.

My finger manages 19 shots in sub 2 seconds perfectly fine, no need to use a modded controller for this and my brain manages to stop at 18 rounds perfectly fine too.

There is 0 benefit for using a modded controller on this gun.

Here's an idea, instead of calling all of this "crying" and THEN going to test it for yourself you switch the order around and test it first like someone with a brain would do.

I have empirical evidence backing up my claims combined with numerous posts from others confirming that the mechanics behind the Scrambler Rifle's heat buildup work in a manner that a modded quick succession of shots can have the same heat buildup as a slower succession of fewer shots.

It doesn't matter if the Scrambler Rifle is inferior to the TAR, this isn't a matter of Scrambler Rifle vs TAR. This is about a manually fired Scrambler Rifle vs a modded Scrambler Rifle and the modded rifle is capable of pulling off something it shouldn't.

Tell that to the people that have been trying to tear apart my argument claiming that it overheats between 9-11 shots then because you seem to be the only other person that has managed to hit the 19-20 range.

The base fact that we are able to get in 19-20 shots before an overheat while others can barely get in 10 shots pretty clearly shows that the heat buildup is not on a per shot basis but rather time based as people have repeatedly pointed out.

Seeing that admittedly no one here can physically match the rpm necessary to hit 19-20 shots per overheat while actually aiming the weapon these adjustments would have NO EFFECT on all of the people spitting all over the idea.

The gun overheats at 19-20 rounds with or without a modded controller, so on that point alone your point is invalid already.
The way this gun heat works is you fire, it builds up, there is no way around the buildup, modded controller or not, clicking it faster does not make it build up slower.

My finger manages 19 shots in sub 2 seconds perfectly fine, no need to use a modded controller for this and my brain manages to stop at 18 rounds perfectly fine too.

There is 0 benefit for using a modded controller on this gun.

edit: ill test it out later to see if this gun actually uses the Laser Rifle code for heat build up, i got the eagle eye controller handy to test that out.

Mike Poole wrote:
Seeing that admittedly no one here can physically match the rpm necessary to hit 19-20 shots per overheat while actually aiming the weapon these adjustments would have NO EFFECT on all of the people spitting all over the idea.

19 rounds is standard with an Amarr Assault suit, don't bother with this gun with any other suit, youll manage 11-14 ish.

Tried it on the Templar Renegade187 who came with no skills & scrambler rifle BPO, horrible gun without the skills in the proto amarr assault suit.

But 19 rounds is what my finger can manage and 18 is where my brain stops counting.

It's likely that with am Amarr suit and a modded setup you could hit even higher than the 19-20 range.

Who's that ?

According to this nonsense:

"My finger manages 19 shots in sub 2 seconds perfectly fine, no need to use a modded controller for this and my brain manages to stop at 18 rounds perfectly fine too."

I thought it was you!

http://www.bobmunden.com/

Feel free to post a video of this amazing feat if you can indeed shoot 19 - 20 shots in under 2 seconds.

Hrmm, so it does sound like a mod controller or mouse could be used for this.. but then again it could for everything. at least unlike the TAC AR this thing overheats, so if they are using a mod , they will overheat quite often leaving themselves vulnerable.. or this is what I believe would happen, could be wrong

Modded controllers only benefit semi-automatic weapons with high rates of fire, namely the TARs (pre patch) and Scrambler Rifles.

The overheating isn't as big a problem as people keep assuming, it's not as if anyone doing this would be as stupid to overheat over and over purposefully. A modded controller can still allow for a devastating burst of fire without the need to land land a single charged shot.

Modded controllers only benefit semi-automatic weapons with high rates of fire, namely the TARs (pre patch) and Scrambler Rifles.

The overheating isn't as big a problem as people keep assuming, it's not as if anyone doing this would be as stupid to overheat over and over purposefully. A modded controller can still allow for a devastating burst of fire without the need to land land a single charged shot.

Well, the overheat is supposed to limit the number of shots that can be fired in short order, that way balancing the weapon. The fact that shooting faster allows for almost twice the amount of bullets, instead of just overheating equally faster bothers me for it's counterintuitiveness alone. It also weakens the limiting effect that the heat mechanic is supposed to have on weapon balance.

I'd much rather have the RoF unchanged but the heat buildup fixed. Pure logic suggests that shooting faster should actually lead to fewer shots because there's less cooling time between shots. This could even be enough to stop making modded controllers worthwhile, making everyone happy.

Well, the overheat is supposed to limit the number of shots that can be fired in short order, that way balancing the weapon. The fact that shooting faster allows for almost twice the amount of bullets, instead of just overheating equally faster bothers me for it's counterintuitiveness alone. It also weakens the limiting effect that the heat mechanic is supposed to have on weapon balance.

Ive tested the Imperial Scrambler rifle + Amarr Assault Suit with the Eagle Eye converter (witch has a Turbo Button function)

Stock with just finger clicking the gun overheats at 19 clicks
Eagle Ete Converter the gun overheats at 22 clicks

Correct me if i am wrong but 22 is not the double of 19.

The gun fires at its max Rof witch is lower then the what the TAC was....

If i could have put out 38 rounds with this then yes the gun would be OP, but its 3 rounds at best with the Amarr suit bonus.

Without it its gonna be a whole lot less, lemme try that after i get back home, gotta go now.