Guess I should go pick up a modded controller with my proto Amarr assault suit.

lol i can tell you don't use SR. If you did, you'll realize you have no argument.

I was a bit skeptical about this since I've been using a Scrambler rifle for the better part of two weeks now. I jumped in a quick Ambush to see for myself, and OP seems to be correct. Using a CRW-04 Scrambler Rifle on a regular DS3 controller, I was able to get 17 shots off before overheating (albeit without aiming at all) just mashing R1. I could easily see someone on a keyboard & mouse or modded controller doing 20-23. This could be problematic, given how strong the Scrambler Rifle family can be, but since they appear to have less range than your Assault Rifles do/did, it may be OK.

EDIT: Firing normally, this drops to about 13 shots before an overheat.

So it didn't even take 24 hours for most of of the turbo button TAC users to switch over to Scrambler Rifles huh?

It takes 20 shots before the Scrambler Rifle overheats, at 72 damage a shot and 705 rpm that means you're spitting out about 1440 damage in roughly 1.7 seconds or almost 850 damage a second... for a weapon that costs 12440sp to unlock and 1500 isk a pop.

The advanced assault variant only manages 440 damage per second because it correctly has a lowered damage to account for its max rpm, half the damage for about 12 times the price and 25 times the SP invested.

Are you ****ing kidding me?

I don't really need an argument given I have physical evidence and this thing called "math". The two of those together tend to speak for themselves.

You people can try and counter with "I can only fire it X times with my finger, there's no way you got 20!". Yea, you used your finger and I'm testing using the same or similar methods as people that have been exploiting semi-auto weapons.

The rest of the math is all there plain as day going straight off the numbers provided by CCP.

You may not have the range of the TAC but if you line someone up in the Scrambler Rifle's sweet spot you can exploit it's high damage and ROF to drop them in less than a second.

If CCP wanted people to be firing this weapon dropping people that fast then why would they drop the damage on the actual assault versions? It's the same situation as the TAC where ignorance of mods and macros precluded using realistic values for a semi-auto rate of fire.

I don't really need an argument given I have physical evidence and this thing called "math". The two of those together tend to speak for themselves.

You people can try and counter with "I can only fire it X times with my finger, there's no way you got 20!". Yea, you used your finger and I'm testing using the same or similar methods as people that have been exploiting semi-auto weapons.

The rest of the math is all there plain as day going straight off the numbers provided by CCP.

You may not have the range of the TAC but if you line someone up in the Scrambler Rifle's sweet spot you can exploit it's high damage and ROF to drop them in less than a second.

If CCP wanted people to be firing this weapon dropping people that fast then why would they drop the damage on the actual assault versions? It's the same situation as the TAC where ignorance of mods and macros precluded using realistic values for a semi-auto rate of fire.

I don't really need an argument given I have physical evidence and this thing called "math". The two of those together tend to speak for themselves.

You people can try and counter with "I can only fire it X times with my finger, there's no way you got 20!". Yea, you used your finger and I'm testing using the same or similar methods as people that have been exploiting semi-auto weapons.

The rest of the math is all there plain as day going straight off the numbers provided by CCP.

You may not have the range of the TAC but if you line someone up in the Scrambler Rifle's sweet spot you can exploit it's high damage and ROF to drop them in less than a second.

If CCP wanted people to be firing this weapon dropping people that fast then why would they drop the damage on the actual assault versions? It's the same situation as the TAC where ignorance of mods and macros precluded using realistic values for a semi-auto rate of fire.

Where does your "math" explain how firing faster, thus reducing the time of cooldown between each shot can lead to more shots beeing fired before overheat?

This requires a flaw in the heat buildup algorhythm to be possible and you provide no data to justify this assumption.

If scramblers get nerfed I will take my leave till dust comes to the ps4

Then guess what, there must be a flaw in the heat buildup algorithm.

I've been getting 19-20 shots out before an overheat, someone else has already replied saying they managed 17 just hitting the button as fast as possible without caring for accuracy.

If people using the weapon normally claim to get at most 10-11 then there's something wrong with how the weapon is registering heat buildup.

I never said getting in that many shots made sense, I just said it's possible.

To test for accurate numbers I took a programmable mouse and set a macro to click at 1ms intervals and hit roughly 20 rounds before overheating every time.

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Improper use of the scrambler rifle will net the rifle more kills on the user than the targets the user intended.

From what it sounds like, if scramblers get nerfed to adjust the OP's issue, you won't notice they got nerfed at all.

The weapon should not allow you to squeeze more shots off simply because you fired them faster than someone with an unmodded controller could. Seems like a legitimate issue, and something the OP could have simply posted in the bug/feedback forum instead of whining in General Discussions about.

It's a bug. CCP should fix it. The gun itself, when used as it's meant to be used, is balanced and 100% fine.

This here is why you fail at FPS games. Srsly just Biomass your toon and delete the client. FPS is clearly not the game for you.

This here is why you fail at FPS games. Srsly just Biomass your toon and delete the client. FPS is clearly not the game for you.

From what it sounds like, if scramblers get nerfed to adjust the OP's issue, you won't notice they got nerfed at all.

The weapon should not allow you to squeeze more shots off simply because you fired them faster than someone with an unmodded controller could. Seems like a legitimate issue, and something the OP could have simply posted in the bug/feedback forum instead of whining in General Discussions about.

It's a bug. CCP should fix it. The gun itself, when used as it's meant to be used, is balanced and 100% fine.

Did another quick test while keeping a close eye on the charge gauge and seem to have found our answer. Taking shots at a more "normal" rate of fire (13 shots before overheat), the charge gauge builds up a small amount higher on each shot, which means it'll build up heat more quickly. The next question would be to see how large, if any, the difference in damage is between 17 "as fast as possible" shots and 17 "normal rate of fire, would normally overheat at ~13" shots, but it seems the gun may well be Working As Inteded.

When was the last time a gun was balanced and not nerfed to hell? Havnt been on today so I couldn't use the tar..but your right if their is a bug and all they do is fix it then I won't care

Thank you for being one of the few people that sees what the problem is here.

If CCP would take a rational look at the ROF on all semi-auto weapons the vast majority of players would see no difference in their gameplay. The problem here is the minority of players that exploit the mechanic with extreme proficiency and turn an otherwise balanced weapon into a monster.

The only people that should disagree here are either exploiting the mechanic themselves or too ignorant to realize that any modifications wouldn't even impact them.

This assumes of course that you can have varying amounds of "charging" in every shot. I might be wrong about this but i had the impression that there's just two possible states i.e. "fully charged" and "not charged".

This assumes of course that you can have varying amounds of "charging" in every shot. I might be wrong about this but i had the impression that there's just two possible states i.e. "fully charged" and "not charged".

Edit: I see you already mentioned this in your post. This needs indeed some testing or Dev input.

Thank you for being one of the few people that sees what the problem is here.

If CCP would take a rational look at the ROF on all semi-auto weapons the vast majority of players would see no difference in their gameplay. The problem here is the minority of players that exploit the mechanic with extreme proficiency and turn an otherwise balanced weapon into a monster.

The only people that should disagree here are either exploiting the mechanic themselves or too ignorant to realize that any modifications wouldn't even impact them.

I'm pretty there is a bit of variable charge damage? The heat buildup is definitely different between "no charge," "half-charged" and "fully charged," so presumably the damage scales up the longer you charge as well.