ouch

While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.

the review is very true on a lot of topics, I just hope that ccp finally says "hey, maybe we should listen to the player base when they try to warn us about premature releases in the future"

True, but realize that its CCP's first fps game and not only that, its there first console game. They have to deal with the console fps player base... So far they made a game that we players cant put down, at least most of us... Give them some time.
Plus its there game, they can do whatever, and releasing it on 5/14 has already happened, no going back now, **** happens right. Just keep suggesting **** and in due time, they game will get better improvements...

- Geth

Not that I don't agree with some of the things said, but IGN doesn't have a shred of credibility when it comes to reviews. What can you expect from the COD worshipers?

Not that I don't agree with some of the things said, but IGN doesn't have a shred of credibility when it comes to reviews. What can you expect from the COD worshipers?

The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on.

You don't go to IGN because CCP aren't paying them for good reviews?

dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released

dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released

I've never cared for IGN. Then again, the only opinion I ever cared for, as far as my entertainment is concerned, is my own.

I just want to play some pc with my corp. Too small too sad, so I will play casually until they bring in a game mode that feels awesome to win.

what cracks me up on the bing bangs who are hating on IGN, have you guys Not read/watched the GT TV review that was done by some dumb Intern?

if you guys had then yeah.... its like Day and Night the differences between the two

This games future is very very bleak compared to 2 months ago when we all had hope. Uprising has ****** everything.

While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.

dumb and dumber

-game was made with the unreal engine, on a console

No. You misunderstand. On the surface, DUST is a competitor for other shooters that you have to pay for. If people have a shooter that you don't have to pay for, discrediting it in its entirety is a handy tactic for getting people to go for games that you have to pay for instead, hence making more sales. I wouldn't trust that IGN don't write reviews that have been paid for by companies to promote a **** product by reviewing it as a good one. That is why I don't go to IGN.

They aren't paying for good reviews... So they are getting an actually fair one instead, mm?

Don't delude yourself. Free 2 Play is a business model, not an excuse for poor game mechanics and gameplay.

Maybe this will open ccp's eyes and get them to make this game atleast average right now this game is terrible i cant even remember the last time i got on. I do remember cutting on the game before i left just to fall asleep right after never even leaving the merc quaters. This game is trash and the slow updates is making it worse besides ccp keeps nerfing ****

Not that I don't agree with some of the things said, but IGN doesn't have a shred of credibility when it comes to reviews. What can you expect from the COD worshipers?

though the 'full release' is a strictly formal event... can you say its 'live on tranquility' with zero TRUE interaction between EVE and DUST?

orbitals drop regardless of whos in space in MERC battles... not certain about PC...

Economies are not linked... they cant even interact... Merc Wallet is inaccessible to EVE side CEOs, and none of the EVE wallets are accessible to Mercs...

theres no player driven economy... unless you count that we farm isk in battles to buy pre-priced loot from NPC merchants who have INFINITE stockpiles of EVERYTHING...

they make mention of PVE content that is supposed to have deep and meaningful ties to EVE market and econ, but im sure thats comming 'soon tm' ... in 2015...

not to mention all the other *FEATURES* we have... like respecs that spawn hundreds of millions of isk for no reason into a large number of players wallets... broken squad order mechanics... broken needles? they seem to be working 'better' the last couple days but i havent bothered pulling mine out for the last couple weeks... not to mention all the hiccups im hearing about in PC battles...

they released uprising bearing high hopes... but instead push out a product that wasnt just 'lipstick on a pig' as someone else posted, but they managed to make the gameplay feel WORSE in one massive patch... that was called a live build...

i feel that its safe to say that this game is FAR from worthy of being called a live title, even just for formalities sake.

inb4 'go back to call of honor', 5 years bitter vet from EVE Online, 3+ active accounts with a running subscription tally of over $2,000 paid to date. i only play because this is relative to my interest that is EVE Online.

UE3 is a fine engine. The Engine isn't what's stifling the game, it's the hardware, the PS3. The track record for the engine is pretty damned good.

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You don't win multiple awards 8 years consecutively for nothing you know.

Let me try to explain it to you.

When the system tries to run a game like say COD or BF3, it has to take into consideration a few things and open up "packs" that contain these things so they can be used in the game. These include the different weapons, different attachments, kill streaks, and a couple perks that might affect your characters physical performance. Then when in game, the system calculates the actions done by and to the "actors" in game.

Example: Speed

Actor 1 has no sprint boost therefore speed = 1
Actor 2 has sprint boost so therefore he moves at speed = 1.25
Actor 3 has squad sprint boost therefore actors 1,2,3,4 speed = 1.25

And that's the culmination of any deciding factors for speed.

Each actor only really has 2 variables for speed, and only 3 variables to decide how it's enabled.

Example: Recoil

Actor 1 has no foregrip therefore weapon kick = 1
Actor 2 has foregrip therefore weapon kick = 0.75

And that's the culmination of any deciding factors for recoil on a weapon.

Each actor only has 2 variables for recoil, and only 2 variables to decide how it's enabled.

Now think in terms of Dust's pack size. It has to load in packs that contain over 100 different weapons, and eventually each could have different attachments, vehicles each with dozens of weapons and over 100 modules that affect their performance and survivability, each one fitted uniquely, dropsuits that have over 100 different modules that affect your performance and survivability, again each one fitted uniquely, and 100's of skills, each different for each player, several of which have to be used in conjunction with the skills of the other players and calculated accordingly on the fly like scan resolution.

Now look at the speed example again for dust.

Actor 1 has sprint 0 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1
Actor 2 has sprint 1 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.05
Actor 3 has sprint 2 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.1
Actor 4 has sprint 3 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.15
Actor 5 has sprint 4 and is in suit A therefore speed =1.2
Actor 6 has sprint 5 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.25

And that's with just base speed for one suit type and no sprint augmentation modules.

The deciding variables and end result variables are potentially massive.

Take into consideration that every actor on the field could potentially have a different speed algorithm attached and each must be executed and represented correctly at all times. And this is just for one skill. Now think of any other skill and weapon and think of how much the system has to handle every moment.

Dust has so much it has to process at any given time that quite frankly, it's incredible they've gotten this far on the limitations the PS3 infringes, (256 MB RAM? You can buy the Raspberry Pi computer for 35$ and it has double that, or upgrade my desktop to 8 gigs for $40.)

Whoa whoa whoa, they gave it a 5.8. Its apparently above average lol.

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Whoa whoa whoa, they gave it a 5.8. Its apparently above average lol.

I think you are missing the point. Why review a game that is free to play at all if it is free? I'm being accused of being a fanboy for shutting down IGN, but I never said they were wrong, just that they have ulterior motives for putting up a bad review. The spite that I'm getting in response to that is so defensive it's almost ironic - it's like all the COD fanboys think calling me a DUST fanboy bothers me in some way as a measure of prescriptive retaliation because I don't care about the IGN review. They give a lot of games more credit than they deserve.

For the most part, I don't go to reviewers to determine what games I want to buy, but I do stop in on the Angry Joe Show on YouTube from time to time to see if he's found a good one or two that I've missed. If the game is free, though, I don't see why it needs a review at all. The purpose of a review to me is a quick reference to determine whether or not it's worth spending money on.

UE3 is a fine engine. The Engine isn't what's stifling the game, it's the hardware, the PS3. The track record for the engine is pretty damned good.

Best Product or Service

NCTA - 2012 GÇô 2012

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NCTA - 2012 GÇô 2012

Best Tools Provider

2012 Develop Industry Excellence Awards GÇô 2012

Best Taste of Next-Gen

GamesRadar, E3 2012 Important Stuff Awards GÇô 2012

Coolest Tech

IGN, Best of E3 2012 Awards GÇô 2012

Best Tech

Game Informer, Best of E3 2012 Awards GÇô 2012

Best Game Engine

Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2011

Top Industry Driven Tech of the Year

NCTA GÇô 2011

Best Game Engine

Develop GÇô 2011

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Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2010

Best Game Engine

Develop GÇô 2010

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Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2009

Best Game Engine

Develop GÇô 2009

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Develop GÇô 2008

Top Industry Driven Technology of the Year

NCTA GÇô 2008

Hall of Fame

Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2008

Best Game Engine

Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2007'

Best Technology

Game Developer Choice Awards GÇô 2007

Outstanding Achievement in Online Game Play

AIAS Interactive Achievement Awards GÇô 2007

Outstanding Achievement in Visual Engineering

AIAS Interactive Achievement Awards GÇô 2007

Best Game Engine

Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2006

Best Graphics (Technical)

GameSpot GÇô 2006

Best Graphics:Reader's Choice (Technical)

GameSpot GÇô 2006

Best Graphics

Spike TV Video Game Awards GÇô 2006

Best Graphics

TeamXbox GÇô 2006

Best Game Engine

Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2005

Best Graphics Technology (Xbox 360), Technological Excellence

IGN GÇô 2005

Best Game Engine

Game Developer Magazine Front Line Awards GÇô 2004

You don't win multiple awards 8 years consecutively for nothing you know.

Let me try to explain it to you.

When the system tries to run a game like say COD or BF3, it has to take into consideration a few things and open up "packs" that contain these things so they can be used in the game. These include the different weapons, different attachments, kill streaks, and a couple perks that might affect your characters physical performance. Then when in game, the system calculates the actions done by and to the "actors" in game.

Example: Speed

Actor 1 has no sprint boost therefore speed = 1
Actor 2 has sprint boost so therefore he moves at speed = 1.25
Actor 3 has squad sprint boost therefore actors 1,2,3,4 speed = 1.25

And that's the culmination of any deciding factors for speed.

Each actor only really has 2 variables for speed, and only 3 variables to decide how it's enabled.

Example: Recoil

Actor 1 has no foregrip therefore weapon kick = 1
Actor 2 has foregrip therefore weapon kick = 0.75

And that's the culmination of any deciding factors for recoil on a weapon.

Each actor only has 2 variables for recoil, and only 2 variables to decide how it's enabled.

Now think in terms of Dust's pack size. It has to load in packs that contain over 100 different weapons, and eventually each could have different attachments, vehicles each with dozens of weapons and over 100 modules that affect their performance and survivability, each one fitted uniquely, dropsuits that have over 100 different modules that affect your performance and survivability, again each one fitted uniquely, and 100's of skills, each different for each player, several of which have to be used in conjunction with the skills of the other players and calculated accordingly on the fly like scan resolution.

Now look at the speed example again for dust.

Actor 1 has sprint 0 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1
Actor 2 has sprint 1 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.05
Actor 3 has sprint 2 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.1
Actor 4 has sprint 3 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.15
Actor 5 has sprint 4 and is in suit A therefore speed =1.2
Actor 6 has sprint 5 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.25

And that's with just base speed for one suit type and no sprint augmentation modules.

The deciding variables and end result variables are potentially massive.

Take into consideration that every actor on the field could potentially have a different speed algorithm attached and each must be executed and represented correctly at all times. And this is just for one skill. Now think of any other skill and weapon and think of how much the system has to handle every moment.

Dust has so much it has to process at any given time that quite frankly, it's incredible they've gotten this far on the limitations the PS3 infringes, (256 MB RAM? You can buy the Raspberry Pi computer for 35$ and it has double that, or upgrade my desktop to 8 gigs for $40.)

Seriously? You seriously think there is some dark sinister purpose behind IGN giving this game a bad review

Ladies and gentlemen lets get this guy fitted for a tin foil helmet right away

I've never cared for IGN.

While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.

can we start trimming that massive post down when we quote it? we get the point that the problem isnt strictly with unreal engine....

I'm only saying I wouldn't put it past them. What I am noticing is that a great many people commenting in here are using the review as subjective validation for their own pre-determined hate of the game... and yet, you're all still here, commenting, as if you want it to be good. Or, maybe you've just got nothing better to do other than rant on about how much this game sucks instead of playing something you do like. Maybe everything sucks, and the only thing you're good at is complaining about it. I don't know, and I don't care, and I don't care about IGN.

I've made up my mind about DUST without needing reviews. I've decided that I like what it could be, and I'm sticking with it to see where it goes. Considering my EVE subscription helped pay for its development and it's completely free (paying for stuff is 100% optional, I don't care how you spin it otherwise, I haven't spent one cent on it yet), it's the least I can do. I like what it is and I like where it's heading, granted it has its flaws, many of them mentioned in this review, but also, many of the misconstrued or blown out of proportion with this idea that it can never be fixed and has no possibility for improvement.

Who knows, maybe it'll find a nice little niche when all the mainstream reviewers go away, and settle into a pattern of development just like EVE, and in its own time, take its own position amongst the top FPS titles as a serious contender. I'd like to see that. But I'm just an "EVE fanboy". What the hell would I know about an indy developer starting with a small buggy spaceship game with bad servers and lasting 10+ years including the beta to become the longest-living MMO ever with one of the best communities around?

That's what you get for proclaiming it fully released when it wasn't fully developed. I would have stayed in it as beta for a long time for sure.


But the review is spot on. It's just a ho hum frustration grind punctuated by flashes of brilliance. Those flashes of brilliance are pretty fun though. I think CCPs commitment to making this awesome over the coming years is another reason I am in.

CCP should really take heed. This project has all the classic signs of being mismanaged, and someone who knows what they are doing should step in before there's a lot more damage done. At this rate it will be an underdog story comeback kid game. I hope so at least.

im just sitting here smiling at all the people that are commenting saying

ccp you need to do a MASSIVE over haul and fix ALL THE PROBLEMS

if they where going to do that it should have been last patch

the simple truth is they CAN'T do that so they are going to take the safe approach
slow and steady get everything done right
no drastic changes just subtle ones here and there that don't take from the game just change it for the better

at the moment i think ccp with focus on cleaning up for a while
then they will focus on new content

i really don't know why people are so impatient just leave for a year come back and it will all be over
(and ill be about 10-15mill sp ahead of you)

I think you have been playing EVE too long because some of that is just downright paranoid thinking
As for Dust I doubt anyone here wants to see it fail but the reasonable people arent letting that blind them to the problems the game does have and I think mentioning the bad reviews is just vindication for all the hard core fan boys insisting they were wrong and dont know their assholes from their elbows

And if you dont like people disagreeing with you then you can either leave or HTFU

Dude, you don't understand the meaning of the word paranoid. This is distrust of IGN based on my experience with IGN. It has nothing to do with EVE. I don't care if people disagree with my observations or experience, but the problem is people are missing my point, so they are disagreeing with something I'm not even saying. It's only their own failure to grasp that I have not said once that DUST is without fault and is a perfect game. I've never said that. I have no delusion about its current poor state. I just said, IGN aren't worth the credit that people give them. So stop raging at me.

Additionally, nobody likes people disagreeing with them. Same applies to you, as well, but without disagreement there is no dialectic. There is no "if you don't like disagreement, leave or HTFU", and I don't have to "HTFU" to stupid people who miss the point completely and get all defensive about me calling out IGN as bad reviewers and calling me a CCP fanboy even though I never once claimed that DUST is perfect in any way.

Personally, those people who want to call me a CCP fanboy and missing my point are starting to sound like IGN fanboys.

Here's the thing, and someone else nailed it on the head earlier, but I'm going to give it some more clarity. Just about every game of late that has had GREAT reviews that I've been a part of over the last few years has had poor player reception because it's been rushed into release: to name a few, Mass Effect 3, Halo Reach and Halo 4. Halo 4 was missing features that it shouldn't have been missing, but Reach had a beta and they should have known better. Mass Effect... hell, don't get me started. IGN gave ME3 a 9.5, almost perfect score. Tell me, what were they thinking?

Anyway, they're not the point here. The point is, the same thing is happening with DUST. DUST was slated for release LAST YEAR, but they are taking their time refining the features. Calling DUST "released" right now is just to satiate Sony's demand for a title release. But you can consider it released in the same way that EVE is released, which is also technically still in beta, after a fashion - always in development, always open to review and expansion.

And if you don't like where DUST is going, then you can leave or HTFU

Problem is, there are PLENTY of F2P games that are better than Dust 514.

So the "oh no, its F2P " excuse is out the fudging window.

CCP knows what they have to fix, now its time to pour on the Polish (should have been there for full release) .

The games in an 6/10 state right now. It could easily be @ an 8 if they just add fun things to do!

The PVE and Gladiator arena is needed NOW.


My strong opinion:

CCP needs to cut the crap about "we dont want to add modes that dont make war sense" and add some damn modes in. I mean WHO CARES if "capture the Flag" is an INSTANT BATTLE MODE? I dont. Instant battle is just that an INSTANT BATTLE.

Add some damn modes for the people who play your game man.

II will continue to AFK untill it gets good again if ever.

You are paranoid, you believe there is a horrible ulterior motive behind a review that is fair and dead on with its complaints
Even with IGNs well known scandals they do get things right now and again
Your "arguments" so far are basically boiling down to "no u" and sticking your fingers in your ears

And I see it might be beyond your capacity to harden up if you get your knickers in a twist this badly, why dont you just log in to the EVE hug box and have some people pat you on the head and tell you everything is going to be ok, those mean people arent here to bother you anymore

And you are stupid, because even when I explained why distrust of someone based on your experience with them is not paranoia, you just go ahead and ignore it. I haven't had any "arguments" so far in the way you think they are. And the only person getting their "knickers in a twist" is the one who insists on arguing against a point I have not made, another indication of your stupidity. You seem to think I have some stake in what you think of me - I really don't. Go back to the COD forums if you want someone to give a ****. But I'm going to clarify this one more time for the sake of your tiny mind's ability to comprehend.

I never said DUST was perfect, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the IGN review. Unless you've already decided that anyone who says DUST is bad is cool and without fault themselves, and anyone who disagrees is a fanboy. This is called bias, the true mark of a fanboy. But I have no stake.

This review was written by Vince Ingenito, please explain your personal experiences with Vince that lead you to believe he has a deep seated vendetta against this game and would write a negative review

Only fanboys have a problem with this review....

I don't have a "deep seated vendetta". Try interpreting what I said wrong again, it makes you sound more intelligent.

In case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm.

God I love the irony in your post, telling me to misinterpret what you wrote while at the same time you think I said you had a vendetta instead of what I actually said
Read it again, its barely two lines and then try to construct a response that doesnt make you seem like a rabid fanboy wearing blinders

Is this a joke? Have you never heard of MAG? 256 players in one battle,32 squad leaders calling in air strikes 8 platoon leaders calling in air strikes 2 oics altering every players abilities on the entire field and minimal lag (when the game had most players and the servers were being maintained). The aiming was WAY smoother and you didn't injure yourself every 5 secondsfalling up a hill.

The PS3 is fine

No, your exact words were "deep seated vendetta". If there was another meaning, then you should have written it as it meant, not used terms that didn't mean what you meant them to mean. If you have interpreted a deep seated vendetta from what I have written, then you have interpreted me incorrectly. Parroting the words "fanboy" as some form of prescriptive retaliation cuz you think it will hurt my feelings or make me mad or whatever is just a generic way out of any actual counter-point to the actual point I was making. You keep calling me a fanboy. Tell me, where did I come across as a fanboy? Was it the part where I didn't take the IGN review lying down, or the part where I said that DUST and CCP can do no wrong?

Oh, but wait, I didn't do the latter, so who am I a fanboy of? Do you understand the definition of the word fanboy? You call me a fanboy because you think I'm sticking up for DUST against this review. That's not what I'm doing. I'm shunning the review, but I'm not sticking up for DUST. This is the assumption of a false dichotomy that you are on, that because I am disagreeing with the review then I MUST be defending DUST. But that's not what I'm doing. I have explained this repeatedly now, and you still insist on ignoring that and calling me a fanboy.

As for being rabid, I've never experienced more frothing at the mouth than that coming from anyone that throws the word fanboy around like it matters. I only care about the merits of the position that you take. If you are going to call me a fanboy, you better have a reason, and I can't think of one, so the only thing I can put it down to is you and your ilk dragging your COD-kiddie mentality into a big-boy's game and thinking you can get away with it because everyone will be just as stupid as you.

My exact words were:

This review was written by Vince Ingenito, please explain your personal experiences with Vince that lead you to believe HE has a deep seated vendetta against this game and would write a negative review

Caps for emphasis and you can go back and check my previous posts as well as your quotes to see it was not edited
Sorry son but you get an F in reading comprehension

Also way to go making radical assumptions about me, that doesnt undermine your stance that you're not a fanboy wearing blinders at all

CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market
Players: No shooters are better on PC
CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows
Players: Ok what ever
CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review
Players: we told you

CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market
Players: No shooters are better on PC
CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows
Players: Ok what ever
CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review
Players: we told you

This. My only concern about DUST was the kind of audience it would attract from the beginning. My fears were confirmed almost instantaneously, and prevalent on these very forums.

Funny because that was my fear about the audience of Eve... confirmed, BTW.


The review is accurate.

If they would have just kept the balance, controls, and skirmish layout from replication this game would be 100% more playable.

Well, EVE's player base has been around a lot longer than DUST's, and is much more firmly planted as a community, as well as being more aware of what CCP is capable of both achieving and ******* up. Maybe that will change for DUST over time, as the game grows. The problem is, EVE players are generally more able to see the bigger picture than your standard console FPS player. True story. Especially those that have been there from the beginning, when EVE was in its first iterations. You should see the patch notes from those days. Way worse than what we're getting on DUST. CCP has a lot to learn, but you can either give them the opportunity to learn it and craft a finely tuned FPS, or you can spit in the face of a free game and run around screaming about how everything is just bad instead of moving on to another game.

Ive been playing eve for four years, and i dont spit in the face of a free game i spit the face of a pay to win game .

HAHA! You gave them your money? Dude, I've been winning without spending a cent. You're doing something wrong if you think it's pay to win, sorry.

Haven't given them any of my money, and i never said i was losing so :P

I thought you RESIGNED? Pony.

I think you requested my resignation which isn't the same thing >_<

Well, EVE's player base has been around a lot longer than DUST's, and is much more firmly planted as a community, as well as being more aware of what CCP is capable of both achieving and ******* up. Maybe that will change for DUST over time, as the game grows. The problem is, EVE players are generally more able to see the bigger picture than your standard console FPS player. True story. Especially those that have been there from the beginning, when EVE was in its first iterations. You should see the patch notes from those days. Way worse than what we're getting on DUST. CCP has a lot to learn, but you can either give them the opportunity to learn it and craft a finely tuned FPS, or you can spit in the face of a free game and run around screaming about how everything is just bad instead of moving on to another game.

CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market
Players: No shooters are better on PC
CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows
Players: Ok what ever
CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review
Players: we told you

This review makes me depressed. It makes me feel like I am wasting my life away.....

While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.

With ps4 right around the corner and a player base averaging at around 7000 at peak times this game is dust unless ccp can work some magic. If he listened and acted upon the the advice /suggestions of players on this forum Dust would have a bright but short lived future. I personally like the game, but it could be so much better.

I actually think it's a pretty fair review. 6/10 isn't even a bad score (although obviously lacklustre for a game intended to be a triple-A experience). He found some aspects of the game delivered well (e.g. suit customisation) and others that currently don't deliver well (slightly sloppy controls/aiming, hit detection, no real sense of permanence or impact for dust players). Apart from not really being able to aim, and calling the game Dust 5-14, he's basically correct in his assessment.

I think the reality is that CCP have chosen to call Uprising their 'full release' for commercial/contractual reasons, probably around a mandated PS3 exclusivity period, when really we are still playing a beta version of a full game given the large number of bugs in new features (Planetary Conquest) and the lack of key features such as secondary market/trading, FW rewards and even orbital artillery. I think this is made further obvious by the absence of marketing surrounding the 'release' - marketing which won't be happening until the Q4 2013.

Dust 514 really does have to continue to deliver some of those core components in order for interest not to wane strongly once BF4, etc, comes out and the next gen of consoles are released. I think they will, but the quality needs to remain high.

It'll be interesting to see if MMOs like Dust 514 get re-reviewed in 12 months, and to see if scores change much.

"the suspensions on the wheeled LAV's (the only vehicle you can initially drive) aren't so easily addressed. Seriously, these rides bounce and flip so readily you'll think every planet is made of trampolines."

LOL.

That is what i find shocking ... so many people has been giving CCP great advice about the LAV's, for MONTHS during the Open Beta... and yet, is like they decided to listen to a Monkey, and ignore everyone else.

Maybe the gravitational pull on the planets are less which make them feel like trampolines

DUST is going to die just like EVE Online, both getting crap reviews at launch proves it.

perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from

I know I'll catch **** for this, but I really enjoyed Aliens: Colonial Marines. My girl and I played the heck out of it on medium and hard and had a blast doing so. Reviews don't mean much if the game is still fun to play. The problem with Dust is that since Uprising, I'm not having as much fun as I did in Chromosome. The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on.

dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released

Yet, eve online is now 10 years old and has over 40k players each day.

The review is spot on. But giving it a 5.8 is generous.

Forgetting everything else that's wrong with the game...the controls are SO clunky and terrible. Its such a basic thing to get right. They can't even get that spot on. You play Dust and then another FPS from the last few years ...there is such a big difference(I am no fan of BF4 or COD..but its true). We have been spoilt to expect a smooth experience. Hell, there are games made on the same Unreal Engine that are better then Dust. If they wanted to work with Sony that badly (obviously for $$$ - which is ok...its a business after all), they should have teamed up with SOE and turned Planetside 2 (which is awesome) into Dust 514 (large scale, epic battles etc.). The Forgelight engine would have been perfect for this.

It is just irritating because its limited development and resource away from Eve Online (which still needs lots of work) on to this project. There's an industry out there already of people who are extremely capable and talented enough to make good First Person Shooters. CCP should not have ventured into this alone without any experience of the First Person Genre.

I love CCP. I love Eve Online. I LOVE what they are trying to do (one connected universe across different genres and games is awesome...and it is the future). I was so disappointed in Dust 514.

killzone shadowfall, watch dogs, god of war = the end of ps3.

planetside 2 on PS4 = the end of DUST.

i'm getting the PS4 and limited edtiions of killzone and the witcher 3 as soon as they come out.

Yeah.. you have to be blind and half deaf, to believe that Dust 514 can compete with Planetside 2

review is only half the issue.

check out the comments section. comments on each of these reviews are gonna cost ya player count.



word of mouth is killin this game. gotta admit, im done waitin on it to right itself. i think this is actually it.
they had chromosome working ok... but then chucked it for this "mag" patch.

can't fanboy this stuff anymore, just sad to see it get magged out all over again.
i guess that's what the casual gamers want.

starting to think that some of the folks were right:

shoulda put 514 on pc.

Peace
B

I don't know what will save it. Once the controls aiming hit detection frame rate and lag are fixed it will just be an average FPS with controls which work and it will be relatively smooth online, but that much is a given. Any game can achieve that.

PC is interesting but unless we can mine those planets, craft weapons and sell them on the marketplace; I don't know what DUST will have to offer to deter people from PS2 and other games.

CCP can do it, I just fear that there is so much stuff on the roadmap which won't be done by the launch of the PS4. Although the PS4's launch isn't the end of the PS3 they won't have long after it does launch.

A fair review for what really is a fairly poor game that even besides the obvious faults focuses more on AUR than gameplay.

This is still a game born of Incarna and $900 jeans.

They finally did what they wanted to do to EVE through Dust but CCP never really got it.

Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash.

Grow up.

keep in mind:

one of the reasons why the review score is so HIGH...


is because this game is "free".

had it been a typical 60 dollar POS instead of a free POS then the review score would prolly be around 3 or 4.

Peace
B

ps
"I talked the other day, in game, to a guy who had already dropped well over two hundred dollars into this game"

uh....

BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAAAAAAA

Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also

I accidentally the dropsuits.

Those slot loadouts are wrong, of course. They're the old slot loadouts before we rejiggered everything to pave the way for the new race variants. They obviously got overlooked and I'm an idiot for doing so.

They'll get fixed as soon as possible. And by fixed I mean nerfed. (You might have heard, we like doing that around here )

perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from

I honestly wonder who CCP is targeting with their game. They say they want to target consoles, and yet they make the game so anti-casual that only hardcore grinders will want to play for the potential end game status.

Then they add KBM support, but why? It's on a console, and adding KBM is targeting PC players, and the only PC gamers who'd play the game on console are the ones they've already netted with EVE, the ones the specifically said they didn't want to target because it would be fishing from their EVE playerbase. And then they make 'fixing' KBM support a huge implementation of the Uprising release build, and somehow completely neglect to QA DS3 support, the choice input device for PS3 console players, you know, the ones they're supposed to be targeting and so completely **** up the aiming mechanics that it causes a portion to leave.

And then they announce that they aren't going to do any advertising at all for the release and near future, so the only advertising the game really gets is the scroll bar on the XMB and negative reviews from places like IGN.

It's mystifying.

While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.

False.
I warned them in three threads, and all the CCP drones here just said "oh its good enough, stop whining blah blah blah it will get future updates blah blah blah".
I guess it takes a slap to the face to bring people back to reality.

I usually hate IGN reviews because they are notoriously biased. However this was actually an extremely well done review. It notes the positives of the game but that despite these positives it cant outweigh bad FPS mechanics (what most of the FPS gamers were warning CCP about). This is honestly the first game I have played that review sights have used "potential of the game" as a reason to rank it highly. Since when does potential matter? It only matters if the potential is reached by the game. I could say that Socom 4 had potential to be the best Socom ever but I doubt anyone would agree with me if I gave it a 9.5 because of that potential.

Now think in terms of Dust's pack size. It has to load in packs that contain over 100 different weapons, and eventually each could have different attachments, vehicles each with dozens of weapons and over 100 modules that affect their performance and survivability, each one fitted uniquely, dropsuits that have over 100 different modules that affect your performance and survivability, again each one fitted uniquely, and 100's of skills, each different for each player, several of which have to be used in conjunction with the skills of the other players and calculated accordingly on the fly like scan resolution.

Now look at the speed example again for dust.

Actor 1 has sprint 0 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1
Actor 2 has sprint 1 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.05
Actor 3 has sprint 2 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.1
Actor 4 has sprint 3 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.15
Actor 5 has sprint 4 and is in suit A therefore speed =1.2
Actor 6 has sprint 5 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.25

And that's with just base speed for one suit type and no sprint augmentation modules.

The deciding variables and end result variables are potentially massive.

Take into consideration that every actor on the field could potentially have a different speed algorithm attached and each must be executed and represented correctly at all times. And this is just for one skill. Now think of any other skill and weapon and think of how much the system has to handle every moment.

Dust has so much it has to process at any given time that quite frankly, it's incredible they've gotten this far on the limitations the PS3 infringes,

Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash.

Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also

I accidentally the dropsuits.

Those slot loadouts are wrong, of course. They're the old slot loadouts before we rejiggered everything to pave the way for the new race variants. They obviously got overlooked and I'm an idiot for doing so.

They'll get fixed as soon as possible. And by fixed I mean nerfed. (You might have heard, we like doing that around here )

This is from the following thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760432

This isn't the first time he's admitted to authoring errors causing AURUM items to have better stats, but as I said before, he made a post about reporting these errors when you find them, and as you can see from the current stats of these suits, he went back and fixed them.

I don't see why in a game where having a solid SP bank means the world these review sites don't ask veterans to play on their account for a few games. I'd be more than willing to let an IGN rep use my account if that meant they could see the game through an experienced player's viewpoint.

Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also

I accidentally the dropsuits.

Those slot loadouts are wrong, of course. They're the old slot loadouts before we rejiggered everything to pave the way for the new race variants. They obviously got overlooked and I'm an idiot for doing so.

They'll get fixed as soon as possible. And by fixed I mean nerfed. (You might have heard, we like doing that around here )

This is from the following thread:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760432

This isn't the first time he's admitted to authoring errors causing AURUM items to have better stats, but as I said before, he made a post about reporting these errors when you find them, and as you can see from the current stats of these suits, he went back and fixed them.

Yeah, I really trust that site to give me quality information. Must be nice and cozy that far up Activision's ass.

That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix.
First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF.
How stupid is that.

Now, I don't claim to be an expert marksman, but I had more trouble keeping my sights on target in Dust than in any FPS in recent memory. Part of this is due to the mushy aiming controls, which are too sluggish for quick turns, yet too jumpy to track moving targets reliably.

Art, Gamedesign, And Coding grunts are usually seperate teams of people so not working on new content is unlikely to lead to quicker fixes of the core game.

PLS2 or PLS3 (yeah SOE will have to not call it PS2 anymore).

Dust team is only ~70 ppl strong.
In this case it would actually improve.

I'm only saying I wouldn't put it past them. What I am noticing is that a great many people commenting in here are using the review as subjective validation for their own pre-determined hate of the game... and yet, you're all still here, commenting, as if you want it to be good. Or, maybe you've just got nothing better to do other than rant on about how much this game sucks instead of playing something you do like. Maybe everything sucks, and the only thing you're good at is complaining about it. I don't know, and I don't care, and I don't care about IGN.

I've made up my mind about DUST without needing reviews. I've decided that I like what it could be, and I'm sticking with it to see where it goes. Considering my EVE subscription helped pay for its development and it's completely free (paying for stuff is 100% optional, I don't care how you spin it otherwise, I haven't spent one cent on it yet), it's the least I can do. I like what it is and I like where it's heading, granted it has its flaws, many of them mentioned in this review, but also, many of the misconstrued or blown out of proportion with this idea that it can never be fixed and has no possibility for improvement.

Who knows, maybe it'll find a nice little niche when all the mainstream reviewers go away, and settle into a pattern of development just like EVE, and in its own time, take its own position amongst the top FPS titles as a serious contender. I'd like to see that. But I'm just an "EVE fanboy". What the hell would I know about an indy developer starting with a small buggy spaceship game with bad servers and lasting 10+ years including the beta to become the longest-living MMO ever with one of the best communities around?

I got to try out the Factional Warfare and Planetary Conquest modes, and though fighting alongside a highly organized space-based corporation adds a lot of big-picture strategic depth, these clashes seem to do a lot more good for EVE players than for the Dust players who lay down their virtual lives, and by association, their virtual or even real money to do so. In fact, the only people who see any tangible gains are the well-established EVE corporations. Since there's currently no way for them to directly reward Dust players for helping defend their turf, it's kind of a raw deal.

That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix.
First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF.
How stupid is that.

No. You misunderstand. On the surface, DUST is a competitor for other shooters that you have to pay for. If people have a shooter that you don't have to pay for, discrediting it in its entirety is a handy tactic for getting people to go for games that you have to pay for instead, hence making more sales. I wouldn't trust that IGN don't write reviews that have been paid for by companies to promote a **** product by reviewing it as a good one. That is why I don't go to IGN.

and micro-transaction fueled grind make it numbing to play long enough to explore its depth

That review was awful. The reviewer basically complains throughout the whole article that Dust is not Battlefield 3 with spaceships. He complains that he sucks at aiming and driving vehicles, he complains that all of the superior equipment actually takes effort to use, and he complains that he doesn't have enough pretty things to look at.

I just started playing a week ago and I think it is pretty awesome, partially because it is not BF3 or CoD.

No. You misunderstand. On the surface, DUST is a competitor for other shooters that you have to pay for. If people have a shooter that you don't have to pay for, discrediting it in its entirety is a handy tactic for getting people to go for games that you have to pay for instead, hence making more sales. I wouldn't trust that IGN don't write reviews that have been paid for by companies to promote a **** product by reviewing it as a good one. That is why I don't go to IGN.

... [snip] ...
they listen to chicks like this guy and make changes based on what she wants.

As much as I am involved into Dust, I have to say that the review was more accurate than anything else. The only thing that I disagreed about it was the whole "pay to win" issue. I don't understand what people want from games that has a free-to-play model. This isn't bejeweled or freecell...you don't have to spend a dime if you really don't want to. But if you want to advance faster, than you spend some money...simple. CCP has to earn money to keep giving us free updates.

But other than that.....I've been saying that the aiming controls and movement controls are too sluggish and not smooth. CCP is concentrating on the rpg side but neglecting (or so it seems) the actual game mechanics. We've been asking for skirmish 1.0 and we get a templar event.

I hope CCP pay attention to the review and make some necessary changes.

As long as there are items being released that are AUR only and have no ISK counterpart, it's P2W, plain and simple.

When this was a beta and the argument was still "Hey, they'll be introducing a player market so you can buy those items from other players" I was with you. Now that the game is a fully launched and commercially released product, with no player market to be found, the game is undoubtedly and clearly pay-to-win.

When it was beta and CCP were saying "point out the P2W items and we will fix them," I was still on your side. Yet, they still keep putting out new P2W items. It's not difficult to compare the ISK versions to the AUR versions. A new player doing a review can see the P2W items for themselves. If a new player doing a review can see it, you're not going to convince me that the guys developing the game simply "missed" it, or that it "slipped by" them.

The only items that I see that are AUR only are the Fused Locus Grenades. Although they are nasty grenades, they hardly determine the outcome of a game.

Now, if a weapon like the balac's or any of those officer items were only on sale for aur, then I can understand. But it's a little stretch to label the game as P2W by just one grenade. I believe that the reviewer was talking about skilling up faster....so he must have been referring to boosters. Some people refer boosters as P2W and I'm thinking, "Damn, is there anything that CCP can sell from this game?"

perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review

The Verdict

Dust 514 truly aims high with a one-of-a-kind cross-platform endeavor. But such ambition is in vain if you don't have a solid foundation, and Dust's crumbles almost from the get-go. Its wonky mechanics, weak graphics, and microtransaction fueled grind make it numbing to play long enough to explore its depth, and its persistent elements are completely lost on anyone who doesn't already have a foot down in the EVE universe. The ideas behind Dust 514 are clearly strong, but so too is the disappointment when they crumble under the weight of its free-to-play baggage.

dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released

"there wouldn't be a TAR fix for next week. "


translated:

we did it, girls!!!
we vaged so hard they are gonna nerf another weapon.

after this, we ladies will whine about the GLU
then it's on to the flaylock...



and puttin it on pc wouldn't change the game

but at least the player base could play the game without whining for nerfs...
unlike you ladies did and continue to do.


"I just started playing a week ago and I think it is pretty awesome"
yeah... but you're a codboi.
so of course you would love this game.
they broke it so you could play it.
sad thing is ... they listen to chicks like this guy and make changes based on what she wants.

Peace
B

The only items that I see that are AUR only are the Fused Locus Grenades. Although they are nasty grenades, they hardly determine the outcome of a game.

Now, if a weapon like the balac's or any of those officer items were only on sale for aur, then I can understand. But it's a little stretch to label the game as P2W by just one grenade. I believe that the reviewer was talking about skilling up faster....so he must have been referring to boosters. Some people refer boosters as P2W and I'm thinking, "Damn, is there anything that CCP can sell from this game?"

im just sitting here smiling at all the people that are commenting saying

ccp you need to do a MASSIVE over haul and fix ALL THE PROBLEMS

if they where going to do that it should have been last patch

the simple truth is they CAN'T do that so they are going to take the safe approach
slow and steady get everything done right
no drastic changes just subtle ones here and there that don't take from the game just change it for the better

at the moment i think ccp with focus on cleaning up for a while
then they will focus on new content

i really don't know why people are so impatient just leave for a year come back and it will all be over
(and ill be about 10-15mill sp ahead of you)

yes but they never listen.

as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

I agree Dubbs there is nothing in dust that's pay to win lol, pay to skill up faster yes, pay to get standard gear, yes pay to use an advanced item without skill yes, but that's it. It's a free game would you rather pay a sub fee or $60 plus DLC, or season pass???

Yet there are items on the market which can only be bought with AUR and got no ISK counterpart. Of course they said they'll fix this. Thing is: it takes them several weeks, if not months while they're trying to push people into buying AUR items. It was a honest 'mistake' afterall, right.

It's a god damn joke, just like their head of marketing guy.

i defend pay to win because it helps me win against anyone face to face , if they remove AURUM i will SUCK ****

Has anyone else noticed several posts being deleted from this thread?

Not a single update since a week, nothing at E3.
You guys really know how to roll.

HTFU and get going. Stop the slack.