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Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:50:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:
Ive been playing eve for four years, and i dont spit in the face of a free game i spit the face of a pay to win game .
HAHA! You gave them your money? Dude, I've been winning without spending a cent. You're doing something wrong if you think it's pay to win, sorry. Haven't given them any of my money, and i never said i was losing so :P
I thought you RESIGNED? Pony. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
29
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:53:00 -
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Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:
Ive been playing eve for four years, and i dont spit in the face of a free game i spit the face of a pay to win game .
HAHA! You gave them your money? Dude, I've been winning without spending a cent. You're doing something wrong if you think it's pay to win, sorry. Haven't given them any of my money, and i never said i was losing so :P I thought you RESIGNED? Pony.
I think you requested my resignation which isn't the same thing >_< |
Aesiron Kor-Azor
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
118
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Posted - 2013.05.30 08:55:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Aesiron Kor-Azor wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:
Ive been playing eve for four years, and i dont spit in the face of a free game i spit the face of a pay to win game .
HAHA! You gave them your money? Dude, I've been winning without spending a cent. You're doing something wrong if you think it's pay to win, sorry. Haven't given them any of my money, and i never said i was losing so :P I thought you RESIGNED? Pony. I think you requested my resignation which isn't the same thing >_<
NO I said that THIS MORNING I would be READING Mr PONY CLAUSE'S RESIGNATION instead OF a NEWSpaper. Now RESIGN! |
Novawolf McDustingham The514th
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:09:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market Players: No shooters are better on PC CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows Players: Ok what ever CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review Players: we told you This. My only concern about DUST was the kind of audience it would attract from the beginning. My fears were confirmed almost instantaneously, and prevalent on these very forums. Funny because that was my fear about the audience of Eve... confirmed, BTW. The review is accurate. If they would have just kept the balance, controls, and skirmish layout from replication this game would be 100% more playable. Well, EVE's player base has been around a lot longer than DUST's, and is much more firmly planted as a community, as well as being more aware of what CCP is capable of both achieving and ******* up. Maybe that will change for DUST over time, as the game grows. The problem is, EVE players are generally more able to see the bigger picture than your standard console FPS player. True story. Especially those that have been there from the beginning, when EVE was in its first iterations. You should see the patch notes from those days. Way worse than what we're getting on DUST. CCP has a lot to learn, but you can either give them the opportunity to learn it and craft a finely tuned FPS, or you can spit in the face of a free game and run around screaming about how everything is just bad instead of moving on to another game.
Lol, ok.
Game had a ton of potential before the EvE nerds point and clicked their way on over to breathe nerd germs all over it. |
Khamelaya
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
25
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:13:00 -
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I stopped reading after "banal art design", seriously? |
Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
47
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:15:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market Players: No shooters are better on PC CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows Players: Ok what ever CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review Players: we told you Best part of that: said people continue to dump a crapload of money into the game. F2P horray. |
Shrapnels
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
22
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:19:00 -
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General John Ripper wrote:This review makes me depressed. It makes me feel like I am wasting my life away.....
your not alone. Trust me your not a lone
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The main reason why Dust was released when it was is because they need the funds to produce Dust on PS4.
Then this week they put all the GameStop Merc Pack 1 items up for sale which I think shocked quite a few people. As from CCP "last chance before they permanently go away" I also believe you can still get the GameStop Merc Pack 1.
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PS4: It would be Suicidal for CCP too not even get started on Dust for PS4. I still truly believe and hope that at E3 or Gamescon, Dust514 shows up somewhere for PS4. I'm not talking about that Gaikai streaming stuff either. This is just too keep the playerbase's Faith Alive.
on PS4, F2P shooter market is about too get flooded with BLR2 and PLS2 or PLS3 (yeah SOE will have to not call it PS2 anymore). There is also a strong possibility that Trion will bring over its FPS game they are currently working on too.
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All we as dedicated players can hope is that CCP realizes its mistakes and fixes them.
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Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
47
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:25:00 -
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The review basicly displays why CCP refuses to do any "marketing". It's so obvious that there's no word for it.
I really wonder how poor the work conditions have to be in shanghai since they ain't running. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:31:00 -
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So every reviewer is saying the same things ... If i was CCP, i will be having an urgent meeting, and re-thinking the full game concept..And detach Dust 514 from EvE, with a smaller more manageable connection. No holding my breath.... |
Shion Typhon
Intara Direct Action Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2013.05.30 09:46:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.
Potential only carries you so far, until you're out there in front of the crowd on the starting blocks and realise you should have trained like your competitors. There are a bunch of F2P shooters on the market of substantially higher quality than Dust.
Those of us with a brand loyalty and admiration for CCP and their project will stay ... but only for so long. |
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Spaceman-Rob
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
80
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:12:00 -
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With ps4 right around the corner and a player base averaging at around 7000 at peak times this game is dust unless ccp can work some magic. If he listened and acted upon the the advice /suggestions of players on this forum Dust would have a bright but short lived future. I personally like the game, but it could be so much better. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:17:00 -
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Spaceman-Rob wrote:With ps4 right around the corner and a player base averaging at around 7000 at peak times this game is dust unless ccp can work some magic. If he listened and acted upon the the advice /suggestions of players on this forum Dust would have a bright but short lived future. I personally like the game, but it could be so much better.
The problem is, that EvE trolls are relentless, and people that are trying to "HELP" CCP, in an impartial positive way, are been overshadow by multiple-accounts / multiple-alts, idiotic people. |
Absolute Idiom II
BetaMax. CRONOS.
101
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:20:00 -
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I actually think it's a pretty fair review. 6/10 isn't even a bad score (although obviously lacklustre for a game intended to be a triple-A experience). He found some aspects of the game delivered well (e.g. suit customisation) and others that currently don't deliver well (slightly sloppy controls/aiming, hit detection, no real sense of permanence or impact for dust players). Apart from not really being able to aim, and calling the game Dust 5-14, he's basically correct in his assessment.
I think the reality is that CCP have chosen to call Uprising their 'full release' for commercial/contractual reasons, probably around a mandated PS3 exclusivity period, when really we are still playing a beta version of a full game given the large number of bugs in new features (Planetary Conquest) and the lack of key features such as secondary market/trading, FW rewards and even orbital artillery. I think this is made further obvious by the absence of marketing surrounding the 'release' - marketing which won't be happening until the Q4 2013.
Dust 514 really does have to continue to deliver some of those core components in order for interest not to wane strongly once BF4, etc, comes out and the next gen of consoles are released. I think they will, but the quality needs to remain high.
It'll be interesting to see if MMOs like Dust 514 get re-reviewed in 12 months, and to see if scores change much. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
329
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:25:00 -
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Absolute Idiom II wrote:I actually think it's a pretty fair review. 6/10 isn't even a bad score (although obviously lacklustre for a game intended to be a triple-A experience). He found some aspects of the game delivered well (e.g. suit customisation) and others that currently don't deliver well (slightly sloppy controls/aiming, hit detection, no real sense of permanence or impact for dust players). Apart from not really being able to aim, and calling the game Dust 5-14, he's basically correct in his assessment.
I think the reality is that CCP have chosen to call Uprising their 'full release' for commercial/contractual reasons, probably around a mandated PS3 exclusivity period, when really we are still playing a beta version of a full game given the large number of bugs in new features (Planetary Conquest) and the lack of key features such as secondary market/trading, FW rewards and even orbital artillery. I think this is made further obvious by the absence of marketing surrounding the 'release' - marketing which won't be happening until the Q4 2013.
Dust 514 really does have to continue to deliver some of those core components in order for interest not to wane strongly once BF4, etc, comes out and the next gen of consoles are released. I think they will, but the quality needs to remain high.
It'll be interesting to see if MMOs like Dust 514 get re-reviewed in 12 months, and to see if scores change much.
First of all is 5.8 ...secondly, that is extremely bad for IGN.. even games that they hate with passion, get a 7.5 score minimum..The 9.00 and 10 scores are normally reserve for games that PAYS for that scores. |
Glori Jinn
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:26:00 -
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"Average" (people forget that on a scale of 1 - 10 6 is above average!) reviews might keep some of those twitch-shooter fans away, which I can certainly live with, but I do think that enhanements to Dust will need to keep coming with a bit of regularity to keep people playing.
For me at least I still feel like I'm getting started so I'll be here for a while. I like things a bit different, and I have so far spent precicley -ú0 on Dust 514 so I'm extremely happy with that! When my skills are a bit higher I'll no doubt spend AUR on items but I'd rather play to skill up that use boosters at the moment.
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Tyrion Smith
Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:46:00 -
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The review is spot on. But giving it a 5.8 is generous.
Forgetting everything else that's wrong with the game...the controls are SO clunky and terrible. Its such a basic thing to get right. They can't even get that spot on. You play Dust and then another FPS from the last few years ...there is such a big difference(I am no fan of BF4 or COD..but its true). We have been spoilt to expect a smooth experience. Hell, there are games made on the same Unreal Engine that are better then Dust. If they wanted to work with Sony that badly (obviously for $$$ - which is ok...its a business after all), they should have teamed up with SOE and turned Planetside 2 (which is awesome) into Dust 514 (large scale, epic battles etc.). The Forgelight engine would have been perfect for this.
It is just irritating because its limited development and resource away from Eve Online (which still needs lots of work) on to this project. There's an industry out there already of people who are extremely capable and talented enough to make good First Person Shooters. CCP should not have ventured into this alone without any experience of the First Person Genre.
I love CCP. I love Eve Online. I LOVE what they are trying to do (one connected universe across different genres and games is awesome...and it is the future). I was so disappointed in Dust 514. |
iceyburnz
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
523
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:51:00 -
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"the suspensions on the wheeled LAV's (the only vehicle you can initially drive) aren't so easily addressed. Seriously, these rides bounce and flip so readily you'll think every planet is made of trampolines."
LOL. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
330
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Posted - 2013.05.30 10:57:00 -
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iceyburnz wrote:"the suspensions on the wheeled LAV's (the only vehicle you can initially drive) aren't so easily addressed. Seriously, these rides bounce and flip so readily you'll think every planet is made of trampolines."
LOL.
That is what i find shocking ... so many people has been giving CCP great advice about the LAV's, for MONTHS during the Open Beta... and yet, is like they decided to listen to a Monkey, and ignore everyone else.
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Sumdore Jin-Mei
DUST University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:13:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:iceyburnz wrote:"the suspensions on the wheeled LAV's (the only vehicle you can initially drive) aren't so easily addressed. Seriously, these rides bounce and flip so readily you'll think every planet is made of trampolines."
LOL. That is what i find shocking ... so many people has been giving CCP great advice about the LAV's, for MONTHS during the Open Beta... and yet, is like they decided to listen to a Monkey, and ignore everyone else.
Maybe the gravitational pull on the planets are less which make them feel like trampolines
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Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:23:00 -
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You know why a Moon buggy weights 480 pounds ? ... |
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DarkMaximos
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:25:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:DUST is going to die just like EVE Online, both getting crap reviews at launch proves it.
Yet, eve online is now 10 years old and has over 40k players each day. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
87
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:26:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from
yes but they never listen. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
87
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:28:00 -
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Booby Tuesdays wrote:I know I'll catch **** for this, but I really enjoyed Aliens: Colonial Marines. My girl and I played the heck out of it on medium and hard and had a blast doing so. Reviews don't mean much if the game is still fun to play. The problem with Dust is that since Uprising, I'm not having as much fun as I did in Chromosome. The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on.
it's not bad man, it's old school in the way that you can reload and jump whilst shooting and you have to collect health rather than regenerate it. Some sections were really good and atmospheric.
If you play it like it came out 6 or 7 years ago it's pretty enjoyable!! |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
90
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:30:00 -
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Shrapnels wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote: The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on. dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released
killzone shadowfall, watch dogs, god of war = the end of ps3.
planetside 2 on PS4 = the end of DUST.
i'm getting the PS4 and limited edtiions of killzone and the witcher 3 as soon as they come out. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
90
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:31:00 -
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DarkMaximos wrote:Rasatsu wrote:DUST is going to die just like EVE Online, both getting crap reviews at launch proves it. Yet, eve online is now 10 years old and has over 40k players each day.
wow. rasatsu I hope you are trolling.
holy **** are you stupid if you're not. |
CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
90
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:33:00 -
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Tyrion Smith wrote:The review is spot on. But giving it a 5.8 is generous.
Forgetting everything else that's wrong with the game...the controls are SO clunky and terrible. Its such a basic thing to get right. They can't even get that spot on. You play Dust and then another FPS from the last few years ...there is such a big difference(I am no fan of BF4 or COD..but its true). We have been spoilt to expect a smooth experience. Hell, there are games made on the same Unreal Engine that are better then Dust. If they wanted to work with Sony that badly (obviously for $$$ - which is ok...its a business after all), they should have teamed up with SOE and turned Planetside 2 (which is awesome) into Dust 514 (large scale, epic battles etc.). The Forgelight engine would have been perfect for this.
It is just irritating because its limited development and resource away from Eve Online (which still needs lots of work) on to this project. There's an industry out there already of people who are extremely capable and talented enough to make good First Person Shooters. CCP should not have ventured into this alone without any experience of the First Person Genre.
I love CCP. I love Eve Online. I LOVE what they are trying to do (one connected universe across different genres and games is awesome...and it is the future). I was so disappointed in Dust 514.
dude I love DUST and the idea of it but it just sucks. Planetside 2 blew me away even in closed beta. I just don't get on with the grinding, I mean extreme grinding just to unlock a sight.
I also don't do well with keyboard and mouse. I didn't get my ass kicked but I couldn't commit to 2 games where you have to grind. With all this being said I cannot WAIT for planetside 2 to come out on the PS4. I'm sorry but it will kill DUST, PS2 is phenomenal and absolutely beautiful, day 1 purchase. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
331
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:35:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Shrapnels wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote: The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on. dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released killzone shadowfall, watch dogs, god of war = the end of ps3. planetside 2 on PS4 = the end of DUST. i'm getting the PS4 and limited edtiions of killzone and the witcher 3 as soon as they come out.
Yeah.. you have to be blind and half deaf, to believe that Dust 514 can compete with Planetside 2 |
Spaceman-Rob
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
80
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:36:00 -
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CCP really should listen to the player support he has now to make this game a success, because if they continue to ignore the little community of dust players, I'm sure the community will move on to a new development team that does listen, and help and support them in making that particular game a success. |
Duncan Valorius
Haters United
0
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:39:00 -
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The review is spot on and is more or less the written form of my impressions. This is where my inner conflict starts and I almost get sad. I would LOVE CCP to make DUST 514 into this universe connecting juggernaut. Even not doubting CCPs expertise, will and dedication to make this a great game I certainly have doubts in the attention span of the average FPS gamer. If DUST starts to become a good game in in 6-12 Months, people will have moved on. Game connecting gameplay is not really exciting if you basically only have the EvE players with DUST accounts. . . And by the way: The inclusion of mouse and keyboard is one of the worst decisions to make. You didn-¦t want to make this a PC game? Fair enough! You wanted to attract the more casual crowd? Ok, whatever. Why are you now opening this can of balancing worms? I know KB/M sucks right now but somwhere down the line it WILL be better than DS3.
When I play on my PS3 i sit on the couch with the pad, like the average gamer. When I play on my PC, I use my MX518 and Keyboard. You are mixing two lifestyles of gaming that do not mix well. |
Shane Darko
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
54
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:42:00 -
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Love some of the new people on here suddenly now commenting.
Anyway is this review going to make some of you leave? I hear hate yet I see some continue to comment. |
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