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CrotchGrab 360
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:43:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Shrapnels wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote: The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on. dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released killzone shadowfall, watch dogs, god of war = the end of ps3. planetside 2 on PS4 = the end of DUST. i'm getting the PS4 and limited edtiions of killzone and the witcher 3 as soon as they come out. Yeah.. you have to be blind and half deaf, to believe that Dust 514 can compete with Planetside 2
I don't know what will save it. Once the controls aiming hit detection frame rate and lag are fixed it will just be an average FPS with controls which work and it will be relatively smooth online, but that much is a given. Any game can achieve that.
PC is interesting but unless we can mine those planets, craft weapons and sell them on the marketplace; I don't know what DUST will have to offer to deter people from PS2 and other games.
CCP can do it, I just fear that there is so much stuff on the roadmap which won't be done by the launch of the PS4. Although the PS4's launch isn't the end of the PS3 they won't have long after it does launch. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
276
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:45:00 -
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review is only half the issue.
check out the comments section. comments on each of these reviews are gonna cost ya player count.
word of mouth is killin this game. gotta admit, im done waitin on it to right itself. i think this is actually it. they had chromosome working ok... but then chucked it for this "mag" patch.
can't fanboy this stuff anymore, just sad to see it get magged out all over again. i guess that's what the casual gamers want.
starting to think that some of the folks were right:
shoulda put 514 on pc.
Peace B |
Duncan Valorius
Haters United
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:53:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:review is only half the issue.
check out the comments section. comments on each of these reviews are gonna cost ya player count.
word of mouth is killin this game. gotta admit, im done waitin on it to right itself. i think this is actually it. they had chromosome working ok... but then chucked it for this "mag" patch.
can't fanboy this stuff anymore, just sad to see it get magged out all over again. i guess that's what the casual gamers want.
starting to think that some of the folks were right:
shoulda put 514 on pc.
Peace B
I completely agree with the first part.
However: The issue here is definetly not what the "casuals" want. If you played just 1-2 RPGs, you catch on to DUST 514 pretty quickly. It-¦s not the complexity, it is the sub par presentation. Dust right now is like the really bad match teacher you had in grade 6 or 7. It is selling easily understandable concepts in a boring and overcomplicating way, promising you that some day it will all make sense and be useful. |
Panther Alpha
Commando Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.05.30 11:53:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Panther Alpha wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Shrapnels wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote: The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on. dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released killzone shadowfall, watch dogs, god of war = the end of ps3. planetside 2 on PS4 = the end of DUST. i'm getting the PS4 and limited edtiions of killzone and the witcher 3 as soon as they come out. Yeah.. you have to be blind and half deaf, to believe that Dust 514 can compete with Planetside 2 I don't know what will save it. Once the controls aiming hit detection frame rate and lag are fixed it will just be an average FPS with controls which work and it will be relatively smooth online, but that much is a given. Any game can achieve that. PC is interesting but unless we can mine those planets, craft weapons and sell them on the marketplace; I don't know what DUST will have to offer to deter people from PS2 and other games. CCP can do it, I just fear that there is so much stuff on the roadmap which won't be done by the launch of the PS4. Although the PS4's launch isn't the end of the PS3 they won't have long after it does launch.
I agree, CCP have the "Potential" to do it... but the clock is ticking ... Tick... Tock ...Tick ... Tock. |
Onesimus Tarsus
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:27:00 -
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I was completely enjoying Chromosome, for all its bugs. I had a character that fit my play style and I was occasionally topping the board at the end of match, if the competition was soft enough. There were many matches where I felt like the little side things I was doing were swaying the map in our favor as a team. I thought, "Man, I hope that I'm this productive in PC." Then, Uprising. I spend all my time wandering around in an old Unreal Tournament twitch shooter getting exploded before I can even make out the blur that is shooting me from two football fields out. I know there are guys good at that sort of thing, and I guess they've got their game now. I still play because I am hoping for rebalancing, but I am starting to think I should know better. CCP are naturally chasing a bit of profitability, and whatever game you see from change to change make no mistake: it's the most profitable game for CCP, or you won't be playing it. I talked the other day, in game, to a guy who had already dropped well over two hundred dollars into this game. Seriously, would you pay well over $200 for anything short of a new console, much less a "free" game that plays like this? But he had, and others will, and if this game in its current state can generate that kind of revenue, who can blame CCP for ignoring those who could potentially de-profit it? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1665
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:28:00 -
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>2013 >Reading IGN |
Allah's Snackbar
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:53:00 -
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A fair review for what really is a fairly poor game that even besides the obvious faults focuses more on AUR than gameplay.
This is still a game born of Incarna and $900 jeans.
They finally did what they wanted to do to EVE through Dust but CCP never really got it. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1665
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Posted - 2013.05.30 12:55:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:A fair review for what really is a fairly poor game that even besides the obvious faults focuses more on AUR than gameplay.
This is still a game born of Incarna and $900 jeans.
They finally did what they wanted to do to EVE through Dust but CCP never really got it. Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash.
Grow up. |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:02:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Allah's Snackbar wrote:A fair review for what really is a fairly poor game that even besides the obvious faults focuses more on AUR than gameplay.
This is still a game born of Incarna and $900 jeans.
They finally did what they wanted to do to EVE through Dust but CCP never really got it. Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash. Grow up.
Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
278
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:05:00 -
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keep in mind:
one of the reasons why the review score is so HIGH...
is because this game is "free".
had it been a typical 60 dollar POS instead of a free POS then the review score would prolly be around 3 or 4.
Peace B
ps "I talked the other day, in game, to a guy who had already dropped well over two hundred dollars into this game"
uh....
BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAAAAAAA |
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semperfi1999
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
465
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:17:00 -
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I usually hate IGN reviews because they are notoriously biased. However this was actually an extremely well done review. It notes the positives of the game but that despite these positives it cant outweigh bad FPS mechanics (what most of the FPS gamers were warning CCP about). This is honestly the first game I have played that review sights have used "potential of the game" as a reason to rank it highly. Since when does potential matter? It only matters if the potential is reached by the game. I could say that Socom 4 had potential to be the best Socom ever but I doubt anyone would agree with me if I gave it a 9.5 because of that potential. |
Onesimus Tarsus
GamersForChrist
243
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:19:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:keep in mind:
one of the reasons why the review score is so HIGH...
is because this game is "free".
had it been a typical 60 dollar POS instead of a free POS then the review score would prolly be around 3 or 4.
Peace B
ps "I talked the other day, in game, to a guy who had already dropped well over two hundred dollars into this game"
uh....
BWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHHAHAHAAAAAAA
I know, right? So, let's just say there are 1000 guys like that, per month. Makes me wish I had released DUST514. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1668
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:32:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Allah's Snackbar wrote:A fair review for what really is a fairly poor game that even besides the obvious faults focuses more on AUR than gameplay.
This is still a game born of Incarna and $900 jeans.
They finally did what they wanted to do to EVE through Dust but CCP never really got it. Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash. Grow up. Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also This damn Search function never works for me, but I found a more recent example on the same topic:
CCP Remnant wrote:I accidentally the dropsuits. Those slot loadouts are wrong, of course. They're the old slot loadouts before we rejiggered everything to pave the way for the new race variants. They obviously got overlooked and I'm an idiot for doing so. They'll get fixed as soon as possible. And by fixed I mean nerfed. (You might have heard, we like doing that around here ) This is from the following thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760432
This isn't the first time he's admitted to authoring errors causing AURUM items to have better stats, but as I said before, he made a post about reporting these errors when you find them, and as you can see from the current stats of these suits, he went back and fixed them. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:38:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from False. I warned them in three threads, and all the CCP drones here just said "oh its good enough, stop whining blah blah blah it will get future updates blah blah blah". I guess it takes a slap to the face to bring people back to reality. |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
17
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:38:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote:PonyClause Rex wrote:CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market Players: No shooters are better on PC CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows Players: Ok what ever CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review Players: we told you I honestly wonder who CCP is targeting with their game. They say they want to target consoles, and yet they make the game so anti-casual that only hardcore grinders will want to play for the potential end game status. Then they add KBM support, but why? It's on a console, and adding KBM is targeting PC players, and the only PC gamers who'd play the game on console are the ones they've already netted with EVE, the ones the specifically said they didn't want to target because it would be fishing from their EVE playerbase. And then they make 'fixing' KBM support a huge implementation of the Uprising release build, and somehow completely neglect to QA DS3 support, the choice input device for PS3 console players, you know, the ones they're supposed to be targeting and so completely **** up the aiming mechanics that it causes a portion to leave. And then they announce that they aren't going to do any advertising at all for the release and near future, so the only advertising the game really gets is the scroll bar on the XMB and negative reviews from places like IGN. It's mystifying.
I agree 100% KBM on console lol DS3 is horrible on this game. Lol @ IGN we all know dust is a 6/10 at best. I don't see dust atm attracting new players anytime soon. Word on the street is dust is garbage.
I will stick with dust I'm in for the long haul. I love ccp but dust needs work. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 13:47:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. The game being Free to Play isn't an excuse. If it has ANY monetization, it has to be compared to other games, paid or not. |
Cyn Bruin
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
984
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:02:00 -
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Kitten Empress wrote:Void Echo wrote:perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from False. I warned them in three threads, and all the CCP drones here just said "oh its good enough, stop whining blah blah blah it will get future updates blah blah blah". I guess it takes a slap to the face to bring people back to reality.
Cat person we all did... I've played this game for 13? months now and have constantly preached it wasn't ready for each stage of its evolution. It wasn't ready to be out of closed beta, it wasnt ready to leave open beta and it's not even close to being a stable game on release. Either CCP or SONY was the driving force in pushing this out the door asap and they failed.
DUST has POTENTIAL... but if the potential isnt backed up by results it doesnt matter.
When PS4 hits and rolls out BF4, PS2, Watchdogs, Destiny and KZ I'll be gone. There are just to many good games coming out for me to try and fight through this game.
PS4 is just around the corner and CCP hasn't said one word about DUST being on it. And tbh why would I want the headaches DUST brings when I rotate to a new system.
Yes, you can have my stuff, provided you take it off my corpmates dead bodies.
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Phantomnom
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
538
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:06:00 -
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semperfi1999 wrote:I usually hate IGN reviews because they are notoriously biased. However this was actually an extremely well done review. It notes the positives of the game but that despite these positives it cant outweigh bad FPS mechanics (what most of the FPS gamers were warning CCP about). This is honestly the first game I have played that review sights have used "potential of the game" as a reason to rank it highly. Since when does potential matter? It only matters if the potential is reached by the game. I could say that Socom 4 had potential to be the best Socom ever but I doubt anyone would agree with me if I gave it a 9.5 because of that potential.
Potential matters because CCP have implemented the Dust concept with very little fault, but it's let down by clunky and overcomplicated mechanics. Dust needs tweaking and time, but in a consumer market as ADHD and as quickly moving as the FPS market I doubt whether it will get it. Time will tell I guess. |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:10:00 -
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This game reeks of management issues, pretty much all the signs tell this. I think the problem is the Shanghai team. The Iceland team works great (EVE Online). It might be a culture barrier. |
DS 10
G I A N T EoN.
340
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:14:00 -
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I don't see why in a game where having a solid SP bank means the world these review sites don't ask veterans to play on their account for a few games. I'd be more than willing to let an IGN rep use my account if that meant they could see the game through an experienced player's viewpoint. |
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J Lav
Opus Arcana Orion Empire
80
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:14:00 -
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Daddrobit wrote: Now think in terms of Dust's pack size. It has to load in packs that contain over 100 different weapons, and eventually each could have different attachments, vehicles each with dozens of weapons and over 100 modules that affect their performance and survivability, each one fitted uniquely, dropsuits that have over 100 different modules that affect your performance and survivability, again each one fitted uniquely, and 100's of skills, each different for each player, several of which have to be used in conjunction with the skills of the other players and calculated accordingly on the fly like scan resolution.
Now look at the speed example again for dust.
Actor 1 has sprint 0 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1 Actor 2 has sprint 1 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.05 Actor 3 has sprint 2 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.1 Actor 4 has sprint 3 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.15 Actor 5 has sprint 4 and is in suit A therefore speed =1.2 Actor 6 has sprint 5 and is in suit A therefore speed = 1.25
And that's with just base speed for one suit type and no sprint augmentation modules.
The deciding variables and end result variables are potentially massive.
Take into consideration that every actor on the field could potentially have a different speed algorithm attached and each must be executed and represented correctly at all times. And this is just for one skill. Now think of any other skill and weapon and think of how much the system has to handle every moment.
Dust has so much it has to process at any given time that quite frankly, it's incredible they've gotten this far on the limitations the PS3 infringes,
This is the part I was thinking about the other day. The fitting and skill effects need some way of being resolved in a more efficient way for this to work. I am amazed at how they are adding content to what is already a sluggish system. It is an accomplishment, but is it worth it?
For the IGN haters, IGN was one of the reasons I came to Dust. They hyped it long ago because of its promise. They were very positive on the game and referred to it in a lot of other videos. So to have them put out what I would consider a very light-handed video review that emphasizes the games strong points, while not touching on obviously terrible broken garbage in the game like PC, is not surprising but only confirms for me that they want the game to work. |
EnglishSnake
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
1136
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:18:00 -
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Im playing the game for what it can become
These reviews focus on the now and compare to boxed -ú40 quid games which are good to go, basically every review is the same atm
Problem is you cant review the potential it has |
PonyClause Rex
TRAMADOL KNIGHTS
29
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:18:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash.
Ponyclause Rex wrote: Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also This damn Search function never works for me, but I found a more recent example on the same topic:
CCP Remnant wrote:I accidentally the dropsuits. Those slot loadouts are wrong, of course. They're the old slot loadouts before we rejiggered everything to pave the way for the new race variants. They obviously got overlooked and I'm an idiot for doing so. They'll get fixed as soon as possible. And by fixed I mean nerfed. (You might have heard, we like doing that around here )
Mobius Wyvern wrote:This is from the following thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760432This isn't the first time he's admitted to authoring errors causing AURUM items to have better stats, but as I said before, he made a post about reporting these errors when you find them, and as you can see from the current stats of these suits, he went back and fixed them.
Well thanks for taking the time to find it i shall humbly remove my tinfoil hat........for now!!!!![ >_<] |
Kitten Empress
Ametat Security Amarr Empire
99
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:21:00 -
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DS 10 wrote:I don't see why in a game where having a solid SP bank means the world these review sites don't ask veterans to play on their account for a few games. I'd be more than willing to let an IGN rep use my account if that meant they could see the game through an experienced player's viewpoint. Did you notice how long it took them to make a review from release? They WERE playing for at least 15 days. In 15 days you should make a good amount of advancement. If you don't, then its a grind, simple as that. And that's Dust 514 in a nutshell, grind grind grind for months so you would have a chance. |
Zahle Undt
The Tritan Industries RISE of LEGION
124
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:23:00 -
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While I can't disagree with all of this review and I did post a month ago that Dust wasn't ready for release because the connection to EVE isn't where CCP promised it would be, I think all reviews are going to be lower because these reviewers aren't putting int he time to get the most out of the game. They aren't in corps, squads, and PC battles. But then again neither is the person brand new to the game so I suppose the reviews are accurate for newcomers.
I will say though that with most of these gaming sites and especially IGN if Dust had Call of Duty in front of it's title (IE: Call of Duty: Dust) it would bump the review score 2 points automatically. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1671
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:23:00 -
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PonyClause Rex wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote: Yeah, because CCP Remnant making posts asking for us to report any items with P2W stats to him so they can be adjusted to be equal to the free versions is clear evidence of a plot to try and shake us all down for cash.
Link it this post ..... and i may remove my tinfoil hat also This damn Search function never works for me, but I found a more recent example on the same topic:
CCP Remnant wrote:I accidentally the dropsuits. Those slot loadouts are wrong, of course. They're the old slot loadouts before we rejiggered everything to pave the way for the new race variants. They obviously got overlooked and I'm an idiot for doing so. They'll get fixed as soon as possible. And by fixed I mean nerfed. (You might have heard, we like doing that around here )
Mobius Wyvern wrote:This is from the following thread: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=760432This isn't the first time he's admitted to authoring errors causing AURUM items to have better stats, but as I said before, he made a post about reporting these errors when you find them, and as you can see from the current stats of these suits, he went back and fixed them.
Well thanks for taking the time to find it i shall humbly remove my tinfoil hat........for now!!!!![ >_<][/quote] I still wish I could find the original post. Search function just sucks for actually finding anything specific.
But hey, to everyone else in this thread, now that you've enjoyed the IGN review, hit the sidebar link to their article defending the next-gen Call of Duty looking just like the current gen ones, and why "great graphics aren't all-important".
Yeah, I really trust that site to give me quality information. Must be nice and cozy that far up Activision's ass. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
69
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:32:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:
Yeah, I really trust that site to give me quality information. Must be nice and cozy that far up Activision's ass.
Even if IGN is completely in the pocket of EA and Activision, and lets pretend that they are, does that make any of the criticisms put forth any less valid?
Does the game have control issues? Of course it does.
Does the game have a ridiculous amount of grinding built in? Absolutely.
Is there a large amount of microtransactions built into that long grind? Yes.
Are the graphics up to par with todays other shooters? No.
Is the Eve connection tangible to MOST players? Of course not, as only a small percentage are playing PC.
Are there technical problems(freezing, framerate drops, infinite loading, etc)? Yes.
Does the game have potential? Yes.
As far as I see it the review was pretty fair, all the way around. Even if IGN is in the pocket of the larger publishers, it does not mitigate that this review was rather concise and accurate. I would even go so far as to call it generous. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
176
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Posted - 2013.05.30 14:42:00 -
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I don't even get why bad review scores are so important for a number of posters. It's not like the obvious flaws became worse, the game became less fun since then, or the devteam goes all EA about it and shuts the project down.
Eve offline data, as of now, are way more stable than i expected them to be, so we have either surprisingly good player retention or a steady influx of fresh scrublets.
If Dust is dying then it does a pretty nice job not looking like it. |
Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
51
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Posted - 2013.05.30 16:55:00 -
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That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix. First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF. How stupid is that. |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
181
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:08:00 -
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Calroon DeVil wrote:That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix. First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF. How stupid is that. Art, Gamedesign, And Coding grunts are usually seperate teams of people so not working on new content is unlikely to lead to quicker fixes of the core game. |
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