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J0HNNY BLAZE
NEW AGE EMPIRE The Family Syndicate
33
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Posted - 2013.05.30 17:11:00 -
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to me th game is dope !!! but the only thing i do agree is the mechanics on driving the lav needs to be fixed.. they should make it more like halo.. i like how this game dosnt cater to the noobs like call of duty.. this game actually takes skill to aim so to all the noobs that cant aim well get your gun game up.. even i is still trying to get better at it.. this game as far as network and pc merge its the first of its kind so you gotta deal with some issues but then again its free to play so quit bitching... thank you and merry christmas |
Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
235
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Posted - 2013.05.30 18:11:00 -
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Quote:Now, I don't claim to be an expert marksman, but I had more trouble keeping my sights on target in Dust than in any FPS in recent memory. Part of this is due to the mushy aiming controls, which are too sluggish for quick turns, yet too jumpy to track moving targets reliably.
CCP, why not simply revert the changes made to aiming controls? |
Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
51
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Posted - 2013.05.30 21:42:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Calroon DeVil wrote:That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix. First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF. How stupid is that. Art, Gamedesign, And Coding grunts are usually seperate teams of people so not working on new content is unlikely to lead to quicker fixes of the core game. Dust team is only ~70 ppl strong. In this case it would actually improve. |
Cinnamon267
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
70
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Posted - 2013.05.31 00:55:00 -
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Quote:PLS2 or PLS3 (yeah SOE will have to not call it PS2 anymore).
Wait, did I read that right? It won't be called Planetside 2 on PS4? What? What? |
Malkai Inos
The Vanguardians Orion Empire
205
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Posted - 2013.05.31 01:53:00 -
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Calroon DeVil wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:Calroon DeVil wrote:That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix. First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF. How stupid is that. Art, Gamedesign, And Coding grunts are usually seperate teams of people so not working on new content is unlikely to lead to quicker fixes of the core game. Dust team is only ~70 ppl strong. In this case it would actually improve. Eh...no. If you're an art guy you'll probably be a crack in photoshop and/or proficient in 3ds, but it's highly unlikely that you get much more than "hello world" done when someone suddenly decides you're a tech guy now.
Also team size does not always lead to improved performance. Some coding work cannot be done by multiple guys simultaneously because the stuff it often too intricate to properly communicate or merge. |
Draco Dustflier
DUST University Ivy League
58
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Posted - 2013.05.31 05:50:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. They aren't paying for good reviews... So they are getting an actually fair one instead, mm? Don't delude yourself. Free 2 Play is a business model, not an excuse for poor game mechanics and gameplay. I think you are missing the point. Why review a game that is free to play at all if it is free? I'm being accused of being a fanboy for shutting down IGN, but I never said they were wrong, just that they have ulterior motives for putting up a bad review. The spite that I'm getting in response to that is so defensive it's almost ironic - it's like all the COD fanboys think calling me a DUST fanboy bothers me in some way as a measure of prescriptive retaliation because I don't care about the IGN review. They give a lot of games more credit than they deserve. For the most part, I don't go to reviewers to determine what games I want to buy, but I do stop in on the Angry Joe Show on YouTube from time to time to see if he's found a good one or two that I've missed. If the game is free, though, I don't see why it needs a review at all. The purpose of a review to me is a quick reference to determine whether or not it's worth spending money on. Seriously? You seriously think there is some dark sinister purpose behind IGN giving this game a bad review Ladies and gentlemen lets get this guy fitted for a tin foil helmet right away I'm only saying I wouldn't put it past them. What I am noticing is that a great many people commenting in here are using the review as subjective validation for their own pre-determined hate of the game... and yet, you're all still here, commenting, as if you want it to be good. Or, maybe you've just got nothing better to do other than rant on about how much this game sucks instead of playing something you do like. Maybe everything sucks, and the only thing you're good at is complaining about it. I don't know, and I don't care, and I don't care about IGN. I've made up my mind about DUST without needing reviews. I've decided that I like what it could be, and I'm sticking with it to see where it goes. Considering my EVE subscription helped pay for its development and it's completely free (paying for stuff is 100% optional, I don't care how you spin it otherwise, I haven't spent one cent on it yet), it's the least I can do. I like what it is and I like where it's heading, granted it has its flaws, many of them mentioned in this review, but also, many of the misconstrued or blown out of proportion with this idea that it can never be fixed and has no possibility for improvement. Who knows, maybe it'll find a nice little niche when all the mainstream reviewers go away, and settle into a pattern of development just like EVE, and in its own time, take its own position amongst the top FPS titles as a serious contender. I'd like to see that. But I'm just an "EVE fanboy". What the hell would I know about an indy developer starting with a small buggy spaceship game with bad servers and lasting 10+ years including the beta to become the longest-living MMO ever with one of the best communities around? you do understand why the game got a bad review, right? the foundation of the game is its problem. the controls are broken, there's too much vertical growth with weapons, and winning a gunfight depends almost entirely on how long you've played the game rather than how good your aim is. you might like the concept behind dust, but you need to remember that CCP has failed to deliver on everything they promised. PC has no impact on eve at all, there's no marketplace linked with eve,the game doesn't let good players with militia gear beat terrible players with all prototype (and there are a lot), and its DEFINITELY not plug in and play, which they did promise. Dust's only advantage is that it's free. there's nothing fun about it. the gameplay is not smooth or strategic. the grind is ridiculous. no redeeming qualities at all. With Ps4 comes an onslaught of other free games, and that is what will kill dust. i wouldn't be surprised if eve just gets wiped out by ccps upcoming financial problems. |
Brasidas Kriegen
The Southern Legion RISE of LEGION
5
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Posted - 2013.05.31 08:37:00 -
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IGN wrote: I got to try out the Factional Warfare and Planetary Conquest modes, and though fighting alongside a highly organized space-based corporation adds a lot of big-picture strategic depth, these clashes seem to do a lot more good for EVE players than for the Dust players who lay down their virtual lives, and by association, their virtual or even real money to do so. In fact, the only people who see any tangible gains are the well-established EVE corporations. Since there's currently no way for them to directly reward Dust players for helping defend their turf, it's kind of a raw deal.
What? I believe the planetary benefits were released on Wednesday May 22 and they are not so significant to mean that they "do a lot more good for EVE players", particularly seeing as sitting in orbit with a basically giant target painted on you waiting 20 minutes to press F1 two or three times isn't the most exciting thing that EVE has to offer. The only argument for there being "no way for them to directly reward Dust players" is a lack of a trading etc system that allows for corporations to fund their mercenaries. But Dust corporations stand to make a lot of money from PC, and players that WIN matches get a substantial payout in ISK, and both sides gain decent salvage from the battle. Yes, losing PC means you will walk away individually poorer. But the value of the salvage (though yes, it may just gather dust for now) and the reward for a win should in the very least make the majority of players break even, if not turn a significant profit. In other words, don't lose.
Basically my problem is with the fact that the suggestion is that it is EVE corporations who gain the most from this (which isn't really true and with warbarge strikes EVE players aren't even necessary), and that they should be paying Dust players for their time.
The problem I keep seeing with all of these reviews is a lack of understanding of how the game functions, which to be fair is probably the fault of CCP for not making it clear enough. There are a lot of problems with Dust, such as the issues with many of the basic FPS mechanics (like hit detection), but I don't think some of the key ones mentioned are accurate. I haven't seen a review which mentions BPOs for example, everything is "you must grind or pay real money for a one use item". I am worried that the majority of players that will stick with Dust will be those who have played or currently played EVE. There is a lot of work to be done, and Dust should not have hit "release" in its current state. But it would be nice to see a reviewer that actually showed a full understanding of the game, though it is probably difficult to do that without having played for a few months and the game could do a better job of making all this info more accessible (and not expect people to read as literacy is clearly an issue). |
Rupture Reaperson
Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION
154
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Posted - 2013.05.31 08:45:00 -
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I hate IGN but the score is spot on, for the current state of affairs. Maybe a 6.5 being nice, the upside it can get better with lime unlike the competition. |
Arramakaian Eka
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
632
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Posted - 2013.05.31 09:15:00 -
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Calroon DeVil wrote:That review is basicly a free guideline for CCP on what to fix. First get the basic mechanics done instead of adding MORE GUNS/ STUFF. How stupid is that.
There is a community-driven and free guideline right here. |
Ridoc FC
Blauhelme Orion Empire
3
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Posted - 2013.05.31 09:27:00 -
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This report is the fairest i've read for dust ...
nothing more to say! |
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Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
52
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:42:00 -
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Kinda sad that they weren't able to see those 'awesome' events CCP is doing. Templars with basic suits and 2 million SP but no ISK to buy any skillbooks, lol.
List of failures is just getting longer and longer. How about you add some more guns to the broken gunplay, oh... you're already doing that, right. |
Schalac 17
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
206
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Posted - 2013.06.01 16:52:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. You don't go to IGN because CCP aren't paying them for good reviews? No. You misunderstand. On the surface, DUST is a competitor for other shooters that you have to pay for. If people have a shooter that you don't have to pay for, discrediting it in its entirety is a handy tactic for getting people to go for games that you have to pay for instead, hence making more sales. I wouldn't trust that IGN don't write reviews that have been paid for by companies to promote a **** product by reviewing it as a good one. That is why I don't go to IGN. IGN rates games on a certain criteria on what they feel makes a good game. Honestly I agree with them on most of their game reviews because they are right a great deal of time. And it is not that EA makes bad games. It is just that their support sucks and their customer service is even weaker. And they always cheap out on server space for their online games at launch. |
Samadhi Shanti
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:46:00 -
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That review was awful. The reviewer basically complains throughout the whole article that Dust is not Battlefield 3 with spaceships. He complains that he sucks at aiming and driving vehicles, he complains that all of the superior equipment actually takes effort to use, and he complains that he doesn't have enough pretty things to look at.
I just started playing a week ago and I think it is pretty awesome, partially because it is not BF3 or CoD. |
BASSMEANT
ZionTCD Unclaimed.
289
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:50:00 -
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"there wouldn't be a TAR fix for next week. "
translated:
we did it, girls!!! we vaged so hard they are gonna nerf another weapon.
after this, we ladies will whine about the GLU then it's on to the flaylock...
and puttin it on pc wouldn't change the game
but at least the player base could play the game without whining for nerfs... unlike you ladies did and continue to do.
"I just started playing a week ago and I think it is pretty awesome" yeah... but you're a codboi. so of course you would love this game. they broke it so you could play it. sad thing is ... they listen to chicks like this guy and make changes based on what she wants.
Peace B |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Gentlemen's Agreement
183
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Posted - 2013.06.01 21:59:00 -
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Quote:and micro-transaction fueled grind make it numbing to play long enough to explore its depth
there is depth to be explored?
*looks around Dust 415 for depth
I don't see any of the depth here that you speak of.
Also you can have micro-transactions without grinding and you can have grinding without micro-transactions.
CCP did put itself into a pickle when it decided to use an RPG style leveling system then tied XP for that system with their money making operations.
But even if you could not buy skill points the SP/leveling system would still be a horrible fit for the current game which is a PvP lobby FPS at its core. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
1799
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:06:00 -
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Samadhi Shanti wrote:That review was awful. The reviewer basically complains throughout the whole article that Dust is not Battlefield 3 with spaceships. He complains that he sucks at aiming and driving vehicles, he complains that all of the superior equipment actually takes effort to use, and he complains that he doesn't have enough pretty things to look at.
I just started playing a week ago and I think it is pretty awesome, partially because it is not BF3 or CoD. I got the same impression from it. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1507
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:06:00 -
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Jaron Pollard wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:Jaron Pollard wrote:While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. You don't go to IGN because CCP aren't paying them for good reviews? No. You misunderstand. On the surface, DUST is a competitor for other shooters that you have to pay for. If people have a shooter that you don't have to pay for, discrediting it in its entirety is a handy tactic for getting people to go for games that you have to pay for instead, hence making more sales. I wouldn't trust that IGN don't write reviews that have been paid for by companies to promote a **** product by reviewing it as a good one. That is why I don't go to IGN.
Or, y'know, Dust 514 is a piece of crap, and pretty much every review that comes out on it says as much.
No, of course not, it's all a conspiracy, amirite? |
Vethosis
Purgatorium of the Damned League of Infamy
73
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:45:00 -
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KalOfTheRathi
Talon Strike Force LTD Orion Empire
468
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Posted - 2013.06.01 22:57:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote: ... [snip] ... they listen to chicks like this guy and make changes based on what she wants. Buzz off you misogynistic troll.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1331
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:04:00 -
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As much as I am involved into Dust, I have to say that the review was more accurate than anything else. The only thing that I disagreed about it was the whole "pay to win" issue. I don't understand what people want from games that has a free-to-play model. This isn't bejeweled or freecell...you don't have to spend a dime if you really don't want to. But if you want to advance faster, than you spend some money...simple. CCP has to earn money to keep giving us free updates.
But other than that.....I've been saying that the aiming controls and movement controls are too sluggish and not smooth. CCP is concentrating on the rpg side but neglecting (or so it seems) the actual game mechanics. We've been asking for skirmish 1.0 and we get a templar event.
I hope CCP pay attention to the review and make some necessary changes. |
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Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1519
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:07:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:As much as I am involved into Dust, I have to say that the review was more accurate than anything else. The only thing that I disagreed about it was the whole "pay to win" issue. I don't understand what people want from games that has a free-to-play model. This isn't bejeweled or freecell...you don't have to spend a dime if you really don't want to. But if you want to advance faster, than you spend some money...simple. CCP has to earn money to keep giving us free updates.
But other than that.....I've been saying that the aiming controls and movement controls are too sluggish and not smooth. CCP is concentrating on the rpg side but neglecting (or so it seems) the actual game mechanics. We've been asking for skirmish 1.0 and we get a templar event.
I hope CCP pay attention to the review and make some necessary changes.
As long as there are items being released that are AUR only and have no ISK counterpart, it's P2W, plain and simple.
When this was a beta and the argument was still "Hey, they'll be introducing a player market so you can buy those items from other players" I was with you. Now that the game is a fully launched and commercially released product, with no player market to be found, the game is undoubtedly and clearly pay-to-win. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
1331
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:21:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:As much as I am involved into Dust, I have to say that the review was more accurate than anything else. The only thing that I disagreed about it was the whole "pay to win" issue. I don't understand what people want from games that has a free-to-play model. This isn't bejeweled or freecell...you don't have to spend a dime if you really don't want to. But if you want to advance faster, than you spend some money...simple. CCP has to earn money to keep giving us free updates.
But other than that.....I've been saying that the aiming controls and movement controls are too sluggish and not smooth. CCP is concentrating on the rpg side but neglecting (or so it seems) the actual game mechanics. We've been asking for skirmish 1.0 and we get a templar event.
I hope CCP pay attention to the review and make some necessary changes. As long as there are items being released that are AUR only and have no ISK counterpart, it's P2W, plain and simple. When this was a beta and the argument was still "Hey, they'll be introducing a player market so you can buy those items from other players" I was with you. Now that the game is a fully launched and commercially released product, with no player market to be found, the game is undoubtedly and clearly pay-to-win. When it was beta and CCP were saying "point out the P2W items and we will fix them," I was still on your side. Yet, they still keep putting out new P2W items. It's not difficult to compare the ISK versions to the AUR versions. A new player doing a review can see the P2W items for themselves. If a new player doing a review can see it, you're not going to convince me that the guys developing the game simply "missed" it, or that it "slipped by" them.
The only items that I see that are AUR only are the Fused Locus Grenades. Although they are nasty grenades, they hardly determine the outcome of a game.
Now, if a weapon like the balac's or any of those officer items were only on sale for aur, then I can understand. But it's a little stretch to label the game as P2W by just one grenade. I believe that the reviewer was talking about skilling up faster....so he must have been referring to boosters. Some people refer boosters as P2W and I'm thinking, "Damn, is there anything that CCP can sell from this game?" |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1519
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Posted - 2013.06.02 00:33:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:As much as I am involved into Dust, I have to say that the review was more accurate than anything else. The only thing that I disagreed about it was the whole "pay to win" issue. I don't understand what people want from games that has a free-to-play model. This isn't bejeweled or freecell...you don't have to spend a dime if you really don't want to. But if you want to advance faster, than you spend some money...simple. CCP has to earn money to keep giving us free updates.
But other than that.....I've been saying that the aiming controls and movement controls are too sluggish and not smooth. CCP is concentrating on the rpg side but neglecting (or so it seems) the actual game mechanics. We've been asking for skirmish 1.0 and we get a templar event.
I hope CCP pay attention to the review and make some necessary changes. As long as there are items being released that are AUR only and have no ISK counterpart, it's P2W, plain and simple. When this was a beta and the argument was still "Hey, they'll be introducing a player market so you can buy those items from other players" I was with you. Now that the game is a fully launched and commercially released product, with no player market to be found, the game is undoubtedly and clearly pay-to-win. When it was beta and CCP were saying "point out the P2W items and we will fix them," I was still on your side. Yet, they still keep putting out new P2W items. It's not difficult to compare the ISK versions to the AUR versions. A new player doing a review can see the P2W items for themselves. If a new player doing a review can see it, you're not going to convince me that the guys developing the game simply "missed" it, or that it "slipped by" them. The only items that I see that are AUR only are the Fused Locus Grenades. Although they are nasty grenades, they hardly determine the outcome of a game. Now, if a weapon like the balac's or any of those officer items were only on sale for aur, then I can understand. But it's a little stretch to label the game as P2W by just one grenade. I believe that the reviewer was talking about skilling up faster....so he must have been referring to boosters. Some people refer boosters as P2W and I'm thinking, "Damn, is there anything that CCP can sell from this game?"
How about the Blood Raider Sage with it's 32 HP/s Shield recharge rate. That's DOUBLE the recharge rate of anything you can purchase with ISK. |
hgghyujh
Expert Intervention Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2013.06.02 01:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:perhaps ccp shouldn't have released dust 514 on the 14th, like everyone was trying to warn them from
it was a ****** if they do ****** if they don't, they knew dust wasn't ready but thanks to all the problems they are having with the PSN network they were going to lose their community if something wasn't done. So CCP started the countdown on its exclusivity contract with sony to try to force sony to provide the support it promised. Frankly once sony loses control of this game It should improve vastly anyways, and a lot of the P2W stuff should be fixed. |
Calroon DeVil
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
53
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Posted - 2013.06.02 09:54:00 -
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Once they lose control of this game? You realise this isn't going to happen, right? Good effort, though. |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
53
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Posted - 2013.06.02 12:02:00 -
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I like Dust, a lot. Even still I play for fun, not to grind out SP.
But, sadly, I think this review is pretty much right on. Even correctly labeled as 'pay to try cool stuff' instead of 'pay to win'.
How I wish they could have not rolled this out for official release on 5/14. Uprising could have used more beta testing.... it made Chromosome loook so awesome (well, except for the graphics, which have improved a lot).
I hope the game survives long enough for CCP to get it up to snuff.... |
Templar Renegade67
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:17:00 -
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Al Lopestes
PlayStation Home Comminity Group
17
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:33:00 -
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Shrapnels wrote:http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/30/dust-514-review
The Verdict
Dust 514 truly aims high with a one-of-a-kind cross-platform endeavor. But such ambition is in vain if you don't have a solid foundation, and Dust's crumbles almost from the get-go. Its wonky mechanics, weak graphics, and microtransaction fueled grind make it numbing to play long enough to explore its depth, and its persistent elements are completely lost on anyone who doesn't already have a foot down in the EVE universe. The ideas behind Dust 514 are clearly strong, but so too is the disappointment when they crumble under the weight of its free-to-play baggage.
I disagree on that part. |
KENNY BUZZKILL
DEATH SQUAD 24
0
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:44:00 -
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Shrapnels wrote:Booby Tuesdays wrote: The good news is that CCP has at least 3 years to fix Dust before all the PS3 users (myself included) move on. dude, I am moving on as soon as PS4 and Destiny gets here/released
Yep that! |
KING SALASI
MAJOR DISTRIBUTION
17
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Posted - 2013.06.03 11:46:00 -
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BASSMEANT wrote:"there wouldn't be a TAR fix for next week. "
translated:
we did it, girls!!! we vaged so hard they are gonna nerf another weapon.
after this, we ladies will whine about the GLU then it's on to the flaylock...
and puttin it on pc wouldn't change the game
but at least the player base could play the game without whining for nerfs... unlike you ladies did and continue to do.
"I just started playing a week ago and I think it is pretty awesome" yeah... but you're a codboi. so of course you would love this game. they broke it so you could play it. sad thing is ... they listen to chicks like this guy and make changes based on what she wants.
Peace B
Bass I see you still cry from the MAG days lol, the guns need serious balancing all of the them. Dust has issues right now lots of them. CCP will never make this game noob friendly EVE is not noob friendly at all, so why would you think that will happen here????
COD, and Battlefield players more than likely will not like Dust period esp right now how a lot of the game mechanics is borked. The nerf and buff hammer needs to come out CCP needs to find the sweet spot for ALL THE GUNS.
CCP is very slow with fixing stuff so with that in mind I'm willing to deal with the issues dust currently have. |
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