DUST Search - IGN Review just got posted

Delta 749 wrote:

Jaron Pollard wrote:

J'Jor Da'Wg wrote:

Jaron Pollard wrote:

While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.

They aren't paying for good reviews... So they are getting an actually fair one instead, mm?

Don't delude yourself. Free 2 Play is a business model, not an excuse for poor game mechanics and gameplay.

I think you are missing the point. Why review a game that is free to play at all if it is free? I'm being accused of being a fanboy for shutting down IGN, but I never said they were wrong, just that they have ulterior motives for putting up a bad review. The spite that I'm getting in response to that is so defensive it's almost ironic - it's like all the COD fanboys think calling me a DUST fanboy bothers me in some way as a measure of prescriptive retaliation because I don't care about the IGN review. They give a lot of games more credit than they deserve.

For the most part, I don't go to reviewers to determine what games I want to buy, but I do stop in on the Angry Joe Show on YouTube from time to time to see if he's found a good one or two that I've missed. If the game is free, though, I don't see why it needs a review at all. The purpose of a review to me is a quick reference to determine whether or not it's worth spending money on.

Seriously? You seriously think there is some dark sinister purpose behind IGN giving this game a bad review

Ladies and gentlemen lets get this guy fitted for a tin foil helmet right away


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Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 141	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:02:00 - [1] - Quote While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 142	Posted - 2013.05.30 04:27:00 - [2] - Quote Mithridates VI wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. You don't go to IGN because CCP aren't paying them for good reviews? No. You misunderstand. On the surface, DUST is a competitor for other shooters that you have to pay for. If people have a shooter that you don't have to pay for, discrediting it in its entirety is a handy tactic for getting people to go for games that you have to pay for instead, hence making more sales. I wouldn't trust that IGN don't write reviews that have been paid for by companies to promote a **** product by reviewing it as a good one. That is why I don't go to IGN.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 145	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:27:00 - [3] - Quote J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. They aren't paying for good reviews... So they are getting an actually fair one instead, mm? Don't delude yourself. Free 2 Play is a business model, not an excuse for poor game mechanics and gameplay. I think you are missing the point. Why review a game that is free to play at all if it is free? I'm being accused of being a fanboy for shutting down IGN, but I never said they were wrong, just that they have ulterior motives for putting up a bad review. The spite that I'm getting in response to that is so defensive it's almost ironic - it's like all the COD fanboys think calling me a DUST fanboy bothers me in some way as a measure of prescriptive retaliation because I don't care about the IGN review. They give a lot of games more credit than they deserve. For the most part, I don't go to reviewers to determine what games I want to buy, but I do stop in on the Angry Joe Show on YouTube from time to time to see if he's found a good one or two that I've missed. If the game is free, though, I don't see why it needs a review at all. The purpose of a review to me is a quick reference to determine whether or not it's worth spending money on.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 145	Posted - 2013.05.30 05:57:00 - [4] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: J'Jor Da'Wg wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: While DUST isn't as up to scratch as it could be, or has the potential to be, we have to remember that it's free to play, and unlike EA, CCP aren't paying IGN for good reviews. Which is why I don't go to IGN for reviews. They aren't paying for good reviews... So they are getting an actually fair one instead, mm? Don't delude yourself. Free 2 Play is a business model, not an excuse for poor game mechanics and gameplay. I think you are missing the point. Why review a game that is free to play at all if it is free? I'm being accused of being a fanboy for shutting down IGN, but I never said they were wrong, just that they have ulterior motives for putting up a bad review. The spite that I'm getting in response to that is so defensive it's almost ironic - it's like all the COD fanboys think calling me a DUST fanboy bothers me in some way as a measure of prescriptive retaliation because I don't care about the IGN review. They give a lot of games more credit than they deserve. For the most part, I don't go to reviewers to determine what games I want to buy, but I do stop in on the Angry Joe Show on YouTube from time to time to see if he's found a good one or two that I've missed. If the game is free, though, I don't see why it needs a review at all. The purpose of a review to me is a quick reference to determine whether or not it's worth spending money on. Seriously? You seriously think there is some dark sinister purpose behind IGN giving this game a bad review Ladies and gentlemen lets get this guy fitted for a tin foil helmet right away I'm only saying I wouldn't put it past them. What I am noticing is that a great many people commenting in here are using the review as subjective validation for their own pre-determined hate of the game... and yet, you're all still here, commenting, as if you want it to be good. Or, maybe you've just got nothing better to do other than rant on about how much this game sucks instead of playing something you do like. Maybe everything sucks, and the only thing you're good at is complaining about it. I don't know, and I don't care, and I don't care about IGN.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 148	Posted - 2013.05.30 06:19:00 - [5] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: I think you have been playing EVE too long because some of that is just downright paranoid thinking As for Dust I doubt anyone here wants to see it fail but the reasonable people arent letting that blind them to the problems the game does have and I think mentioning the bad reviews is just vindication for all the hard core fan boys insisting they were wrong and dont know their assholes from their elbows And if you dont like people disagreeing with you then you can either leave or HTFU Dude, you don't understand the meaning of the word paranoid. This is distrust of IGN based on my experience with IGN. It has nothing to do with EVE. I don't care if people disagree with my observations or experience, but the problem is people are missing my point, so they are disagreeing with something I'm not even saying. It's only their own failure to grasp that I have not said once that DUST is without fault and is a perfect game. I've never said that. I have no delusion about its current poor state. I just said, IGN aren't worth the credit that people give them. So stop raging at me. Additionally, nobody likes people disagreeing with them. Same applies to you, as well, but without disagreement there is no dialectic. There is no "if you don't like disagreement, leave or HTFU", and I don't have to "HTFU" to stupid people who miss the point completely and get all defensive about me calling out IGN as bad reviewers and calling me a CCP fanboy even though I never once claimed that DUST is perfect in any way. Personally, those people who want to call me a CCP fanboy and missing my point are starting to sound like IGN fanboys. Here's the thing, and someone else nailed it on the head earlier, but I'm going to give it some more clarity. Just about every game of late that has had GREAT reviews that I've been a part of over the last few years has had poor player reception because it's been rushed into release: to name a few, Mass Effect 3, Halo Reach and Halo 4. Halo 4 was missing features that it shouldn't have been missing, but Reach had a beta and they should have known better. Mass Effect... hell, don't get me started. IGN gave ME3 a 9.5, almost perfect score. Tell me, what were they thinking? Anyway, they're not the point here. The point is, the same thing is happening with DUST. DUST was slated for release LAST YEAR, but they are taking their time refining the features. Calling DUST "released" right now is just to satiate Sony's demand for a title release. But you can consider it released in the same way that EVE is released, which is also technically still in beta, after a fashion - always in development, always open to review and expansion. And if you don't like where DUST is going, then you can leave or HTFU
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 149	Posted - 2013.05.30 07:23:00 - [6] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: You are paranoid, you believe there is a horrible ulterior motive behind a review that is fair and dead on with its complaints Even with IGNs well known scandals they do get things right now and again Your "arguments" so far are basically boiling down to "no u" and sticking your fingers in your ears And I see it might be beyond your capacity to harden up if you get your knickers in a twist this badly, why dont you just log in to the EVE hug box and have some people pat you on the head and tell you everything is going to be ok, those mean people arent here to bother you anymore And you are stupid, because even when I explained why distrust of someone based on your experience with them is not paranoia, you just go ahead and ignore it. I haven't had any "arguments" so far in the way you think they are. And the only person getting their "knickers in a twist" is the one who insists on arguing against a point I have not made, another indication of your stupidity. You seem to think I have some stake in what you think of me - I really don't. Go back to the COD forums if you want someone to give a ****. But I'm going to clarify this one more time for the sake of your tiny mind's ability to comprehend. I never said DUST was perfect, but I wouldn't put too much stock in the IGN review. Unless you've already decided that anyone who says DUST is bad is cool and without fault themselves, and anyone who disagrees is a fanboy. This is called bias, the true mark of a fanboy. But I have no stake.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 149	Posted - 2013.05.30 07:30:00 - [7] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: This review was written by Vince Ingenito, please explain your personal experiences with Vince that lead you to believe he has a deep seated vendetta against this game and would write a negative review I don't have a "deep seated vendetta". Try interpreting what I said wrong again, it makes you sound more intelligent. In case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 149	Posted - 2013.05.30 07:35:00 - [8] - Quote Night Ward wrote: Only fanboys have a problem with this review.... There are two kinds of people in this world: Those who think in false dichotomies, and penguins.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 149	Posted - 2013.05.30 07:45:00 - [9] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: Delta 749 wrote: This review was written by Vince Ingenito, please explain your personal experiences with Vince that lead you to believe he has a deep seated vendetta against this game and would write a negative review I don't have a "deep seated vendetta". Try interpreting what I said wrong again, it makes you sound more intelligent. In case you couldn't tell, that was sarcasm. God I love the irony in your post, telling me to misinterpret what you wrote while at the same time you think I said you had a vendetta instead of what I actually said Read it again, its barely two lines and then try to construct a response that doesnt make you seem like a rabid fanboy wearing blinders No, your exact words were "deep seated vendetta". If there was another meaning, then you should have written it as it meant, not used terms that didn't mean what you meant them to mean. If you have interpreted a deep seated vendetta from what I have written, then you have interpreted me incorrectly. Parroting the words "fanboy" as some form of prescriptive retaliation cuz you think it will hurt my feelings or make me mad or whatever is just a generic way out of any actual counter-point to the actual point I was making. You keep calling me a fanboy. Tell me, where did I come across as a fanboy? Was it the part where I didn't take the IGN review lying down, or the part where I said that DUST and CCP can do no wrong? Oh, but wait, I didn't do the latter, so who am I a fanboy of? Do you understand the definition of the word fanboy? You call me a fanboy because you think I'm sticking up for DUST against this review. That's not what I'm doing. I'm shunning the review, but I'm not sticking up for DUST. This is the assumption of a false dichotomy that you are on, that because I am disagreeing with the review then I MUST be defending DUST. But that's not what I'm doing. I have explained this repeatedly now, and you still insist on ignoring that and calling me a fanboy. As for being rabid, I've never experienced more frothing at the mouth than that coming from anyone that throws the word fanboy around like it matters. I only care about the merits of the position that you take. If you are going to call me a fanboy, you better have a reason, and I can't think of one, so the only thing I can put it down to is you and your ilk dragging your COD-kiddie mentality into a big-boy's game and thinking you can get away with it because everyone will be just as stupid as you.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 149	Posted - 2013.05.30 08:01:00 - [10] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: My exact words were: This review was written by Vince Ingenito, please explain your personal experiences with Vince that lead you to believe HE has a deep seated vendetta against this game and would write a negative review Caps for emphasis and you can go back and check my previous posts as well as your quotes to see it was not edited Sorry son but you get an F in reading comprehension Also way to go making radical assumptions about me, that doesnt undermine your stance that you're not a fanboy wearing blinders at all Even when you change that one word, the point stands: I never stated that he has a deep seated vendetta against it. You're still misinterpreting me, even when we fix that little mistake I made. As for the F, even the most hardcore educators won't fail you for misreading one word. It's your failure to provide context and understand a point I've been making repeatedly that they would fail. Thankfully, you're inability to use correct punctuation in compound words like "doesn't" invalidates your opinion of my comprehension of the english language. On to the point at hand, though, and once again, I didn't claim that your IGN hero has any vendetta against DUST. I do think he is judging a book by its cover though. He doesn't have a complete enough experience on the game, and he is judging it as if it is the final product and there is nothing more to come. Additionally, I haven't made one single radical assumption about you that you haven't made about me, though, I've only reciprocated your unnecessarily hostile attitude towards me. We could have discussed this like civilised people, and you might not have noticed but I remained civil until people started laying on the third-grade name calling. So if you want me to stop making assumptions about you, and stick to the topic, then perhaps that's what you should have started with in the first place. Tell you what, you stop acting like a child, and I'll reciprocate your maturity with my own. But if you can't handle a civilised dialectic, then I'll be quite happy to give you an uncivilised one. Your choice.

Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 150	Posted - 2013.05.30 08:29:00 - [11] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market Players: No shooters are better on PC CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows Players: Ok what ever CCP: *makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review Players: we told you This. My only concern about DUST was the kind of audience it would attract from the beginning. My fears were confirmed almost instantaneously, and prevalent on these very forums.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 150	Posted - 2013.05.30 08:42:00 - [12] - Quote Novawolf McDustingham The514th wrote: Jaron Pollard wrote: PonyClause Rex wrote: CCP: lets release a shooter on a console to tap the lucrative console market Players: No shooters are better on PC CCP: We cant ignore all that money we will get from making CoD in space, plus developing games for PC blows Players: Ok what ever CCP: makes shooter on ps3 and alienates target audience, gets a sh1tty review Players: we told you This. My only concern about DUST was the kind of audience it would attract from the beginning. My fears were confirmed almost instantaneously, and prevalent on these very forums. Funny because that was my fear about the audience of Eve... confirmed, BTW. The review is accurate. If they would have just kept the balance, controls, and skirmish layout from replication this game would be 100% more playable. Well, EVE's player base has been around a lot longer than DUST's, and is much more firmly planted as a community, as well as being more aware of what CCP is capable of both achieving and ****** up. Maybe that will change for DUST over time, as the game grows. The problem is, EVE players are generally more able to see the bigger picture than your standard console FPS player. True story. Especially those that have been there from the beginning, when EVE was in its first iterations. You should see the patch notes from those days. Way worse than what we're getting on DUST. CCP has a lot to learn, but you can either give them the opportunity to learn it and craft a finely tuned FPS, or you can spit in the face of a free game and run around screaming about how everything is just bad instead of moving on to another game.
Jaron Pollard Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated 150	Posted - 2013.05.30 08:47:00 - [13] - Quote PonyClause Rex wrote: Ive been playing eve for four years, and i dont spit in the face of a free game i spit the face of a pay to win game . HAHA! You gave them your money? Dude, I've been winning without spending a cent. You're doing something wrong if you think it's pay to win, sorry.