On this thread I propose that all dedicated AV players unite to protect our interests.

Including but not limited to:

GÇóAV grenades

GÇóSwarm Launchers

GÇóForge guns

GÇóVehicle armor & shields

GÇóVehicle pricing

First order of business,

LAV spam

Personally, I feel it is good for us. They give us multiple targets and quick WP. The only issue is that they occasionally go invisible and also get their sound muted, making them hard to detect.

you forgot about the other 30 things infantry can use against vehicles

What is wrong with AV atm?

Not much, though, we must be kept competitive by unionizing or those Pilots/Drivers will nerf is ragged

Not much, though, we must be kept competitive by unionizing or those Pilots/Drivers will nerf is ragged. We need to counter their positions when needed. Though we must be reasonable.

For example, I propose that the price of Dropships be reduced by 40%. It is more fair to Pilots and gives us more targets. It is a win win.

So instead of responding to the calls for Pilot and AVers joint discussion on matters, you want a AVer crew to block every vehicle proposal to "nerf" AV?

Wot? Most backwards idea ever, thanks.

So instead of responding to the calls for Pilot and AVers joint discussion on matters, you want a AVer crew to block every vehicle proposal to "nerf" AV?

Wot? Most backwards idea ever, thanks.

My AV brothers, the dawn of the LAV is HERE! THE SWARM OF JEEPS SHALL ENSURE OUR FUTURE!

Grab your swarms! Charge your forge guns! WE'RE GOING VEHICLE HUNTING!

Pffffff, i've been hunting. Catch up son!

Threading in a post troll.

First order of business,

LAV spam

Personally, I feel it is good for us. They give us multiple targets and quick WP. The only issue is that they occasionally go invisible and also get their sound muted, making them hard to detect.

you forgot about the other 30 things infantry can use against vehicles

New order of business: AV grenades

I feel that they are necessary for dealing with large convoys of well fitted LAV's. As well, as balancing out their ability to run players over.

Not much, though, we must be kept competitive by unionizing or those Pilots/Drivers will nerf us ragged. We need to counter their positions when needed. Though we must be reasonable.

I don't consider myself an AVer, but I use AV grenades with my minmatar scout nova knife fit.

Most AV is fine. I just want Swarms to have better (read: non-physics breaking) turning angles, and AV nades damage reduced. Then, HAV's and Dropships get better resistances, and Dropships get a lower price. Also, turrets' price needs buffing to origional levels. We can deal with PG later.


Peace, Godin

All I know is that Logi LAVS are tough as ****, and don't die so easily to AV grenades. So those are really annoying on AMbush where there are no supply depots to just *change* your equip.

But honestly guys,


Its so fun to run people over, it just sucks when it happens to you more then once in a match.

Hypocritisizers!

DeadlyAztec takin' care of business! Great thread, excellent choice in specialization. Keep the movement alive!

DeadlyAztec takin' care of business! Great thread, excellent choice in specialization. Keep the movement alive!

New order of business: Plasma Cannon

Personally I feel it is a gimmick. It is bad against infantry(not surprising). Impossible to use on dropships and LAV's. Even HAV's are hard to hit when they have a competent driver in control. Opinions?

Plasma Cannon is laughable, everyone knows this. Either higher damage, faster reload speed or a clip instead of one shot, it scratches vehicles, even at proto level and is only good for killing Infantry.

On this thread I propose that all dedicated AV players unite to protect our interests.

Including but not limited to:

GÇóAV grenades

GÇóSwarm Launchers

GÇóForge guns

GÇóVehicle armor & shields

GÇóVehicle pricing


~ Agreed on stances~

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenade damage is fine because it balances out LAV spam

The only "AV" nerf I want is redline installations moved/changed so they aren't attacking me from halfway across the map while behind their own redline. Aside from that, AV is fine.

Some vehicles on the other hand, need some buffs/changes. Dropships especially. And give the poor tankers their PG back.

And low-end LAVs are fine. They shouldn't be able to be 1-shotted by AV grenades. Like AR users love to say, take cover and you'll be fine.

Keep it rolling. New idea: medium frame AV specialist suit to compliment Assault and Logi. Lose sidearm, gain second grenade slot. Role bonus to explosive damage. Discuss.

You supposed AV people have it all backwards.

We got our stuff buffed hard last build. Tankers got slapped with the nerf hammer.

Now, there is no need for dedicated AV.

I am a forge gunner. Pimped right out, I am made for taking out tanks.

The problem is that one guy with AV grenades can be just as effective as my highly specialized fit. So why would a team waste a slayer spot on a dedicated AV player if they can get almost the same results from an assault user with AV grenades to go with his tac AR?

Nay to the additional grenades, but as a specialization, give each race power to their various weapons, Caldari for example, bonus to explosive damage, Gallente, bonus to shield damage. Would also be a good idea to have a larger ammo capacity per level too, making their usage more viable instead of a scout and swarms.

what to name it?

If Heavy is Sentinel, AV class is Warden

Would like to know AV guy's opinions on dropships.
Here's my thread and arguments. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81540&find=unread

New order of business in the Aztec style: Putting the "AV" in LAV

Fit up a well tanked LAV.
Put an active scanner on it.
Use it to move around the map quickly and find good spots to snipe vehicles with your swarm launcher.
If vehicles are scarce, snipe enemy installations.
When that's done speed through areas with your scanner on to alert troops of enemy positions.

If HAVs are inside complexes raising hell, but can't be swarmed from a distance, it's time for the AV Kamikaze run!

Activate hardeners, repair, and scanner.
Drive LAV at top speed into complex and ram tank.
Jump out, unload AV grenades, and get off a swarm in all the confusion.
HAV go BOOM.
You will probably die in process.
It's worth it.

Fellow AV enthusiasts, I just went 11-3 in domination (all vehicle and passenger kills) doing as described above. Two HAVs went down in separate kamikaze runs because they were staying in closed quarter areas.

Keep the AV spirit alive. Stay united. Stay vigilant. And stay hungry!

Also, CCP, get rid of packed AV nades, make regular go 800 dam. STD, 1000 dam. Adv., and 1200 PROTO. make regular's have no homing. Then make sleek do 550 STD, 750 Adv., then 900 PROTO, and let them keep their current homing. This will balance AV grenades. Also, rename Sleek to regular, and the Regular to Packed.

On this thread I propose that all dedicated AV players unite to protect our interests.

Including but not limited to:

GÇóAV grenades

GÇóSwarm Launchers

GÇóForge guns

GÇóVehicle armor & shields

GÇóVehicle pricing


~ Agreed on stances~

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenades and Militia LAV's must both be nerfed. To give AV players more purpose on the battlefield
-+ Plasma Cannon must be buffed. It is currently a silly novelty, that is not competitive

I really get the feeling like the Swarms are all GONE? I can tell you with full proficiency and best launcher, I can NOT take out a well built tank or dropship, this is a HUGE problem for me..

If I complete my AV tree, I expect to get some vehicle kills.. this is garbage ..simply put

Oh, but you see, it just wouldnt' be fair if they put in all that SP into a Gunnlogi for you to be able to solo-kill them with Proto AV gear. Even if there is just one guy driving the damned thing.

I know that feel, bro.

I personally think AV is okay, though i just barely started to spec into lvl 3 swarms. The only major issue I have seen is one HAV being so fast, he outran an LAV. He was impossible to hit. Tanks should be tough and powerful, they should never be faster than a jeep. Then again, I have no idea what sacrifices he had to make to be that fast, so I could be talking out of my ass.

Probably nanofibers, jovian powerplant and a few shield extenders...

Wrong.

It's simple, Armor Tank, with a powerplant and Nitrous Injector. Armor is now faster than Shield Tanks, and no tanker would be stupid enough to place shields on an Armor Tank as it takes up much needed CPU and PG.

Av grenades should not be mobile Forge Guns

but without any of the downsides of Forge Guns




faster until we put on armor then that **** just drops

I really get the feeling like the Swarms are all GONE? I can tell you with full proficiency and best launcher, I can NOT take out a well built tank or dropship, this is a HUGE problem for me..



If I complete my AV tree, I expect to get some vehicle kills.. this is garbage ..simply put

Hey guys, you know..
If they made drop-ships not cost 1.5 million isk AND get killed instantly by Bolas spawning inside of them -- There'd be more pilots for you to shoot down. Think of the sweet sweet WP those RDV's are stealing from you all the time.

Sadly for you, most pilots are specing out in a couple days because of all the bugs and prices/lack of rewards.

We have all agreed that they need to cost less and have more health.

Even if they spec out, it will matter not. Just means more LAV's to kill.

But may I remind you...

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As a dedicated Forge Gunner, I propose that Dropships not only get the massive price cut, but also a considerable HP buff and countermeasures like early warning systems and defensive features.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of explaining to pilots why the FG shouldn't be nerfed just because they can rip dropships apart in a short amount of time. They obviously don't use it regularly against LAVs and HAVs or they wouldn't be suggesting nerfs on damage, charge up time, range, et cetera. The marauder HAVs are currently missing, and some players are scary good with just the militia and standard tanks and give us AVers plenty to chew on but once those roll out again, things will get really interesting. But then the current Dropships cruise in, and no matter how good the pilots are, they are basically cannon fodder for FG, to the point where even if they survive, they are being useless to their side. The problem here is not the FG, but the Dropships.

You keep calling for dedicated AV weaponry nerfs, all you'll see people packing are AV grenades, which do indeed need a nerf or at least in the sense of a much steeper SP buy-in for the really good ones: with a branching skill tree for different grenade types and supplemental skills which increase their effectivity up to what is the equivalent of their current stats.

As a dedicated Forge Gunner, I propose that Dropships not only get the massive price cut, but also a considerable HP buff and countermeasures like early warning systems and defensive features.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of explaining to pilots why the FG shouldn't be nerfed just because they can rip dropships apart in a short amount of time. They obviously don't use it regularly against LAVs and HAVs or they wouldn't be suggesting nerfs on damage, charge up time, range, et cetera. The marauder HAVs are currently missing, and some players are scary good with just the militia and standard tanks and give us AVers plenty to chew on but once those roll out again, things will get really interesting. But then the current Dropships cruise in, and no matter how good the pilots are, they are basically cannon fodder for FG, to the point where even if they survive, they are being useless to their side. The problem here is not the FG, but the Dropships.

You keep calling for dedicated AV weaponry nerfs, all you'll see people packing are AV grenades, which do indeed need a nerf or at least in the sense of a much steeper SP buy-in for the really good ones: with a branching skill tree for different grenade types and supplemental skills which increase their effectivity up to what is the equivalent of their current stats.

Logi LAVs make sense honestly, they need to be strong to fulfil their support role BUT there are issues regarding the LAVs as a whole and would like all AVers feedback here

I agree. Though, a CCP dev already said that they were going to nerf the damage at range not the base damage.


Can you dig it?

First order of business,

LAV spam

Personally, I feel it is good for us. They give us multiple targets and quick WP. The only issue is that they occasionally go invisible and also get their sound muted, making them hard to detect.

New topic:

Flux Grenades.


I feel that they are balanced. Though, they seem to have had their effect on vehicles reduced severely. I am not sure whether it is a damage multiplier or range reduction. Though, it seems to do less damage to HAV's and LAV's now. I am split on the issue.

Thoughts?

Anyone know which is better against heavily shielded vehicles? AV Grenade or Flux grenades?

Seems like AV does more damage to shields than flux despite flux supposedly being better against shields. AV also has the added bonus of doing heavy armor damage after the shields are down as well as automatic tracking if the vehicle drives off. I'm only talking about standard level as I havent unlocked ADV or PROTO yet but I imagine they scale the same way.

~ Agreed on stances ~

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenades and Militia LAV's must both be nerfed. To give AV players more purpose on the battlefield
-+ Plasma Cannon must be buffed. It is currently a silly novelty, that is not competitive
-+ We are alright with the Forge Gun's damage being nerfed, AT RANGE! Not base

~ Stuff still on the table ~

• Medium frame Av class dropsuit
• Flux Grenades

L1 on the swarm launcher (currently no use) should either be for more accurate lock-ons, or cancelling lock-ons

Didn't L1 used to add zoom? Why'd they take it out?

AV>Flux.

Flux seems to do A LOT less damage than they used to back in Chromosome. I feel it should get it's damage back. Nobody ever complained about it before.

Who agrees?

My only problem with AV specifically, is that AV grenades are too cheap for the damage they do.

Otherwise, the biggest issue is not having ADV and PRO vehicles. What do you guys think?

Granted, though, you realize that AV will receive a buff when this occurs right?

Do not think for a second that they will leave the values how they are. Though, SP requirements may also be lowered on the vehicle end. That said, proto vehicles will not require 10 guys with Proto Swarm launchers to destroy them.

Then what's the point of PROTO tanks when they are just as effective as STD tanks were before their introduction. THat just makes tanks more of an SP and ISK sink, while AV gets another huge buff for no extra cost. AV is balanced and needs to stay the way it is, or tankers need another respec. My final verdict on this game comes when I get my Sagaris back in its full and proto form. Look at it this way: if STD AV and STD TANKS are balanced, then PRO AV and PRO tanks will be balanced, upon release. However, in all honesty, a tank that requires 4 ishukone forges to kill is very powerful...maybe...overly powerful. The only option is to make them so SP and ISK intensive that they will be the hardest things to get in the game and only rich corps will be able to deploy them and only like the top 15 tankers in the game will dare use them because of how bad it'd be to lose one. If i had a tank that powerful, i'd pay 20 mil each without a second thought. Nerfing them with ISK is the best bet. It'd also be good for tankers, though, because in PC matches, every team would need tanks to kill tanks. PRO AV would still work in pubs because i don't see anyone risking 20 mil for a 250,000 ISK reward, especially when someone else might do it too and kill you.

I mean, EVE has Titans, so dust needs the equivilant - proto tanks

^I want it.

One person with AV shouldn't be able to solo a tank. End of story. Remember when people got excited becaus they had to coordinate in a squad to kill marauders. I want that back.

I solo STD stanks with PRO gear...and with the right tanker it isn't even easy at this point. I figure it wont be possible when the PRO tanks hit the streets.

This thread is meant to unite us AV players against all Pilots/Drivers. Image it being like 300 Spartans vs a horde of Persian immortals.

Together we stand.

I want to blow it up! lol. Seriously though, from Running AV in Chromosome and in Uprising, Surya and Sagaris were NOT a 1 man job. Right now I can solo just about any tank I come across provided the right conditions.....but I do think that a proto tank should require at least a 2 man team to take down. BUT...I dont think the likelihood of having 2 AV players in one patch will make that Viable....as a Proto tank can have 1 man wiping down a whole team, and a 2 man AV squad would be rare to see. On that note though, a true AVer and a few blues with nades COULD tip the balance.

Swarm missiles are too slow to catch a Jet in a chase, and I do not think this should be changed. Instead I think Swarm missiles should be programmed to try to intercept the JetGÇÖs projected flight path, and then turn and try to hit the Jet head on. This would mean that a Swarm Launcher would be effective when a Jed is approaching, but not when a Jet is fleeing.

Since Jets will be speed tanking, they probably will not have much HP, so it should not take very many shots to kill them.

Used to have zoom, maybe it was too accurate? Now I accidentally lock onto other things during crucial moments. Also you used to be able to cancel the lock by switching weapons, not anymore. Now if you want to cancel the lock you have to 180 turn away from what you had locked and wait for the lock to lose itself.....time consuming and not always viable.

New topic:

Should Swarm Launchers get a speed increase when jets come out? Should they be able to hit jets?

With the introduction of the "Destroyer" role (Anti-Air), I'm not quite sure this would be necessary. Having the proper assets on the field at the time to deal with certain threats should take precident over making an end-all be-all weapon.

YES YES AND YES!!!

Some of those jeeps are fast lil buggers, not always easy to hit with a forge.

L1 on the swarm launcher (currently no use) should either be for more accurate lock-ons, or cancelling lock-ons

I think a speed increase should be available. I've noticed some vehicles have no problem out running swarms but with that being said it should be something to skill into.

what needs to happen to all AV and vehicles stats is that once they bring in all the vehicles, they NEED to RESET all the stats in the market to 0 then work their way up on everything from militia gear to standard gear to advanced gear to prototype gear, that way EVERYTHING will have the proper stats and the proper balance weve all wanted will finally be achieved, until then AV will have the advantage over vehicles since AV has advanced and prototype weapons while we only have standard HAVs and no enforcers don't count, there just expensive militia tanks (anyone that supports enforcers doesn't tank and just wants easy tank kills which is what enforcers are) no self respecting tank driver I know of has specced into enforcers.

back on the subject, I feel that if AV and Vehicle players COME AND WORK TOGETHER AND RATIONALIZE TOGETHER AND NOT RIP AT EACH OTHERS THROATS WE WILL ACHIEVE THE BEST BALANCE THIS GAME CAN OFFER.

QFT

what needs to happen to all AV and vehicles stats is that once they bring in all the vehicles, they NEED to RESET all the stats in the market to 0 then work their way up on everything from militia gear to standard gear to advanced gear to prototype gear, that way EVERYTHING will have the proper stats and the proper balance weve all wanted will finally be achieved, until then AV will have the advantage over vehicles since AV has advanced and prototype weapons while we only have standard HAVs and no enforcers don't count, there just expensive militia tanks (anyone that supports enforcers doesn't tank and just wants easy tank kills which is what enforcers are) no self respecting tank driver I know of has specced into enforcers.

back on the subject, I feel that if AV and Vehicle players COME AND WORK TOGETHER AND RATIONALIZE TOGETHER AND NOT RIP AT EACH OTHERS THROATS WE WILL ACHIEVE THE BEST BALANCE THIS GAME CAN OFFER.

what needs to happen to all AV and vehicles stats is that once they bring in all the vehicles, they NEED to RESET all the stats in the market to 0 then work their way up on everything from militia gear to standard gear to advanced gear to prototype gear, that way EVERYTHING will have the proper stats and the proper balance weve all wanted will finally be achieved, until then AV will have the advantage over vehicles since AV has advanced and prototype weapons while we only have standard HAVs and no enforcers don't count, there just expensive militia tanks (anyone that supports enforcers doesn't tank and just wants easy tank kills which is what enforcers are) no self respecting tank driver I know of has specced into enforcers.

back on the subject, I feel that if AV and Vehicle players COME AND WORK TOGETHER AND RATIONALIZE TOGETHER AND NOT RIP AT EACH OTHERS THROATS WE WILL ACHIEVE THE BEST BALANCE THIS GAME CAN OFFER.

HMG > Free LAV
Those were the days.

o7

From Strong-Arm to One-Arm

AV = Anti Vehicle

We're supposed to be able to own the shiez out of vehicles
forge and swarm are balanced
slight nerf to av nades
thats why its called Anti Vehicle
not, sorta anti vehicle

Lol of course you don't want your easy mode fire and forget nerfed at all. Heaven forbid you should have to use a forge gun and....... actually aim.

New topic: Should Swarm Launchers get back dumbfire? As long a missiles have an arming distance of 10 meters?

New topic: Should Swarm Launchers get back dumbfire? As long a missiles have an arming distance of 10 meters?

Dumbfire is good if it has no effect on infantry, look at mag, point plank rpg to tye face no damage.

People stopped dumbfiring into infantry.

New order of business:

Do you think the Commando suit will be the dropsuit of choice for AV players?

You called it, without these actions the game would most certainly become World of Tanks.

New order of business:

Do you think the Commando suit will be the dropsuit of choice for AV players?

and without vehicles this would most certainly become COD 514

So your saying that the only difference between COD and Dust is vehicles?
That's an insult to COD

Swarm launchers what a joke they are

Auto lock on in a second or 2 if that

Missiles follow around corners

Missiles go invisable half the time

Requires no aim


If an assault rifle did this it would be classed as OP and 99% of the ppl would be in uproar about how it takes no skill to use yet 99% of the ppl would still use this weapon because FoTM

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers]

Baby's Candy Stealers United!

If you calling Tankers babies, then yes, I am taking there candy. Not because I stole it, because I dueled them and rightfully won.


LOL

Sure, protostomping STD level tanks. I'm sure you're very skilled.

Cod fked up an entire genre for years by making the only profitable FPS to be a twitch FPS.

your all hypocrites, you want balance and expect us to bend over and let you take us down with one shot form your ARs, yet when we ask for balance you claim its just god mode and all, and you don't want tanks to be worth their costs at the current price because you don't want this to be "World of Tanks", if vehicles disappear like your trying to make them do then this will become another boring ass piece of **** call of duty game with nothing new worth getting into by real gamers (real gamers don't play gall of duty)....


all fps have ARs, SMGs, LMGs, Rockets, Knives.. basically the same old boring **** game after game after game, but dust 514 actually has something NEW, called vehicles, yet they are **** and not worth skilling into because of you AR fanbois crying nerf to every ******* thing besides the AR.... vehicles are what is standing between dust514 and call of duty..

As someone who is skilled into Prototype AV gear, I can definitely say that AV is BY FAR the most "god mode" of all the stuff you can do in Dust 514. You basically just glance angrily at vehicles and they explode. It's the easiest role in the game.

If you want "easy mode," just spec AV.

agreed..... its just point click a button and shoot, no skill at all... but that's also with everything.... but the fact that it can be done to whats meant to be the most powerful class in the game which we are not its kinda bs

When you look at relative damage scale, vehicles have roughly the same eHP of scout suits.

Just look at the damage output of the weapons designed to damage them, vs their total HP. Sure, their HP numbers are larger, but so are the DMG numbers of AV weapons. Add to that the fact that vehicles are MUCH larger targets than a dropsuit, and it's pretty obvious that vehicles are the weakest things you can use in the game.

I've found, almost to a man, that vehicle users are the ones in-game who are looking for the biggest challenge, and AV users are the ones looking for easy points/kills.

When you pilot a tank or a dropship you are intentionally making the game harder for yourself.

the vehicle class is the hardest to do

New topic: AV grenades; don't nerf them!

On this thread I propose that all dedicated AV players unite to protect our interests. To show CCP that we are not all just assault players that were forced to use AV equipment, we chose to use these tools of destruction. So we will defend our way of life.

Including but not limited to:

GÇóAV grenades - This topic will be a **** show for sure

AV Grenades are mostly fine...

GÇóFlux Grenades - Why would you nerf these?

Because some Caldari Logi's whine like bitches...

GÇóSwarm Launchers - Why you take away ADS? Give back the Binoculars!

This is acceptable.

GÇóForge guns - Fine

FGs are fine; even from a vehicle users perspective.

GÇóPlasma Cannon - I don't even consider this AV, that is how bad it is

The Plasma Cannon is a joke.

GÇóSidearms - You sometimes have to degrade yourself to shooting mercs in the face

No real issues with this... until they start rivaling primary weapons.

GÇóVehicle armor & shields - Another crap storm

Yep... another crap storm

GÇóVehicle pricing - Too damn high!

Agreed

GÇóVehicle turrets

GÇóGround turrets (missile and blaster) - They fine.

Agreed

GÇóRemote Explosives - Fine, more people should use.

Yup.

GÇóMedium frame Av class dropsuit

GÇóProto vehicles - Should proto HAV's be ground Titans?

Yes but, they should cost quite a bit and have disadvantages.

~ Agreed on stances ~*Click light bulbs to go to post, ! means that was the concluding thought

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices <- Click*
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenades and Militia LAV's must both be nerfed. To give AV players more purpose on the battlefield
-+ Plasma Cannon must be buffed. It is currently a silly novelty, that is not competitive
-+ We are alright with the Forge Gun's damage being nerfed, AT RANGE! Not base!
-+ Make the L1 button cancel Swarm lock-ons before shooting
-+ There should be a skill that increases the speed of swarm missiles
-+ AV grenades should not be nerfed, HAV's should be buffed though
~ Unresolved topics ~

• Medium frame Av class dropsuit
• Flux Grenades
• Proto vehicles

|Current discussion|
- Remote Explosives
- Flux grenades
- Proto Vehicles
- Swarm missile speed
- AV grenades

As someone who is skilled into Prototype AV gear, I can definitely say that AV is BY FAR the most "god mode" of all the stuff you can do in Dust 514. You basically just glance angrily at vehicles and they explode. It's the easiest role in the game.

If you want "easy mode," just spec AV.

Your good against vehicles but you then you can't kill infantry reliably. Most of your CPU is used up in damage mods, swarm/forge, flux/AV nade.

You act like you can beat everything thing in this game as long as you have AV. Guess what, you can't.

Echo, you used to be fun, now your no better than people like O'Dell

Your good against vehicles but you then you can't kill infantry reliably. Most of your CPU is used up in damage mods, swarm/forge, flux/AV nade.

You act like you can beat everything thing in this game as long as you have AV. Guess what, you can't.

Echo, you used to be fun, now your no better than people like O'Dell

Have you heard about the Ishukone Assault Forge Gun? That thing is indifferent towards vehicles and infantry.

Sure, you can't kill infantry with a swarm launcher, but you make up for that with e-z mode fire and forget against vehicles. Forge guns at least require some skill.

how else am I going to be heard?

How about making well reasoned arguments? How about respectful witty banter? A tally ho, to your Ha-Ha, if you would?

Besides, HAV's and Dropships will be buffed regardless, so nerfing AV grenades to be less effective against current HAV's will make them useless to HAV's after 1.5.

Ok, considering it takes several shots to kill a well fitted logi LAV, Dropships can out run them, so can LAV'S, if your out in the open with an HAV, your doing it wrong.

You want to get rid of lock-on? So you want to make it as useless against vehicles as the Plasma Cannon?

No man, no! That's B.S! I'm so tired of everybody wanting vehicles that take half the team running AV to kill. This is Dust 514, not World of Tanks!

lol

Doesnt want his crutch removed because he will fall over

Needs his instalocking through wall swarms which fire invisible missiles which bend around cover

Swarms:

can turn 90 degree turns

makes swarms anti air only and slow down the forge gun projectile a bit, problem solved.

Adapted from Deep Core Mining Inc.GÇÖs proprietary technology, the DCMA S-1 subverts conventional expectations of what a man-portable anti-material weapons platform is capable of.-áDespite its excessive weight and extended recharge times, the GÇ£Forge GunGÇ¥ as it has become known, is regarded as the most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield, and an invaluable tool for those capable of wielding it.

Powered by a GeminiGäó microcapacitor, the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems.-áDuring the pre-fire charge, the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic field and helping to shield the user from backscatter and the excessive heat produced.-áPower generation remains the single largest drawback of the current design, the onboard capacitor requiring a significant amount of time to reach full power after each discharge.





The fk? Nerf the range? Um forge gun is not a anti vehicle.
Read above lol anti material. Don't touch it's range seriously that's dumb.

Adapted from Deep Core Mining Inc.GÇÖs proprietary technology, the DCMA S-1 subverts conventional expectations of what a man-portable anti-material weapons platform is capable of.-áDespite its excessive weight and extended recharge times, the GÇ£Forge GunGÇ¥ as it has become known, is regarded as the most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield, and an invaluable tool for those capable of wielding it.

Powered by a GeminiGäó microcapacitor, the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems.-áDuring the pre-fire charge, the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic field and helping to shield the user from backscatter and the excessive heat produced.-áPower generation remains the single largest drawback of the current design, the onboard capacitor requiring a significant amount of time to reach full power after each discharge.





The fk? Nerf the range? Um forge gun is not a anti vehicle.
Read above lol anti material. Don't touch it's range seriously that's dumb.

Forge guns should take a large nerf to either total damage, or charge time, but not both.

AV nades should be limited to for all types. Yes, a tank camping a CRU is annoying as hell (I've been on both sides of the equation) but one infantry shouldn't be able to pop a tank. It should take a coordinated effort for AV nades to destroy a properly fit tank.