On this thread I propose that all dedicated AV players unite to protect our interests.

Including but not limited to:

GÇóAV grenades

GÇóSwarm Launchers

GÇóForge guns

GÇóVehicle armor & shields

GÇóVehicle pricing


~ Agreed on stances~

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenades and Militia LAV's must both be nerfed. To give AV players more purpose on the battlefield
-+ Plasma Cannon must be buffed. It is currently a silly novelty, that is not competitive

I really get the feeling like the Swarms are all GONE? I can tell you with full proficiency and best launcher, I can NOT take out a well built tank or dropship, this is a HUGE problem for me..

If I complete my AV tree, I expect to get some vehicle kills.. this is garbage ..simply put

Oh, but you see, it just wouldnt' be fair if they put in all that SP into a Gunnlogi for you to be able to solo-kill them with Proto AV gear. Even if there is just one guy driving the damned thing.

I know that feel, bro.

I personally think AV is okay, though i just barely started to spec into lvl 3 swarms. The only major issue I have seen is one HAV being so fast, he outran an LAV. He was impossible to hit. Tanks should be tough and powerful, they should never be faster than a jeep. Then again, I have no idea what sacrifices he had to make to be that fast, so I could be talking out of my ass.

Probably nanofibers, jovian powerplant and a few shield extenders...

Wrong.

It's simple, Armor Tank, with a powerplant and Nitrous Injector. Armor is now faster than Shield Tanks, and no tanker would be stupid enough to place shields on an Armor Tank as it takes up much needed CPU and PG.

Av grenades should not be mobile Forge Guns

but without any of the downsides of Forge Guns




faster until we put on armor then that **** just drops

I really get the feeling like the Swarms are all GONE? I can tell you with full proficiency and best launcher, I can NOT take out a well built tank or dropship, this is a HUGE problem for me..



If I complete my AV tree, I expect to get some vehicle kills.. this is garbage ..simply put

Hey guys, you know..
If they made drop-ships not cost 1.5 million isk AND get killed instantly by Bolas spawning inside of them -- There'd be more pilots for you to shoot down. Think of the sweet sweet WP those RDV's are stealing from you all the time.

Sadly for you, most pilots are specing out in a couple days because of all the bugs and prices/lack of rewards.

We have all agreed that they need to cost less and have more health.

Even if they spec out, it will matter not. Just means more LAV's to kill.

But may I remind you...

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As a dedicated Forge Gunner, I propose that Dropships not only get the massive price cut, but also a considerable HP buff and countermeasures like early warning systems and defensive features.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of explaining to pilots why the FG shouldn't be nerfed just because they can rip dropships apart in a short amount of time. They obviously don't use it regularly against LAVs and HAVs or they wouldn't be suggesting nerfs on damage, charge up time, range, et cetera. The marauder HAVs are currently missing, and some players are scary good with just the militia and standard tanks and give us AVers plenty to chew on but once those roll out again, things will get really interesting. But then the current Dropships cruise in, and no matter how good the pilots are, they are basically cannon fodder for FG, to the point where even if they survive, they are being useless to their side. The problem here is not the FG, but the Dropships.

You keep calling for dedicated AV weaponry nerfs, all you'll see people packing are AV grenades, which do indeed need a nerf or at least in the sense of a much steeper SP buy-in for the really good ones: with a branching skill tree for different grenade types and supplemental skills which increase their effectivity up to what is the equivalent of their current stats.

As a dedicated Forge Gunner, I propose that Dropships not only get the massive price cut, but also a considerable HP buff and countermeasures like early warning systems and defensive features.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of explaining to pilots why the FG shouldn't be nerfed just because they can rip dropships apart in a short amount of time. They obviously don't use it regularly against LAVs and HAVs or they wouldn't be suggesting nerfs on damage, charge up time, range, et cetera. The marauder HAVs are currently missing, and some players are scary good with just the militia and standard tanks and give us AVers plenty to chew on but once those roll out again, things will get really interesting. But then the current Dropships cruise in, and no matter how good the pilots are, they are basically cannon fodder for FG, to the point where even if they survive, they are being useless to their side. The problem here is not the FG, but the Dropships.

You keep calling for dedicated AV weaponry nerfs, all you'll see people packing are AV grenades, which do indeed need a nerf or at least in the sense of a much steeper SP buy-in for the really good ones: with a branching skill tree for different grenade types and supplemental skills which increase their effectivity up to what is the equivalent of their current stats.

Logi LAVs make sense honestly, they need to be strong to fulfil their support role BUT there are issues regarding the LAVs as a whole and would like all AVers feedback here

I agree. Though, a CCP dev already said that they were going to nerf the damage at range not the base damage.


Can you dig it?

First order of business,

LAV spam

Personally, I feel it is good for us. They give us multiple targets and quick WP. The only issue is that they occasionally go invisible and also get their sound muted, making them hard to detect.

New topic:

Flux Grenades.


I feel that they are balanced. Though, they seem to have had their effect on vehicles reduced severely. I am not sure whether it is a damage multiplier or range reduction. Though, it seems to do less damage to HAV's and LAV's now. I am split on the issue.

Thoughts?