you forgot about the other 30 things infantry can use against vehicles

What is wrong with AV atm?

So instead of responding to the calls for Pilot and AVers joint discussion on matters, you want a AVer crew to block every vehicle proposal to "nerf" AV?

Wot? Most backwards idea ever, thanks.

Pffffff, i've been hunting. Catch up son!

Threading in a post troll.

DeadlyAztec takin' care of business! Great thread, excellent choice in specialization. Keep the movement alive!

DeadlyAztec takin' care of business! Great thread, excellent choice in specialization. Keep the movement alive!

Plasma Cannon is laughable, everyone knows this. Either higher damage, faster reload speed or a clip instead of one shot, it scratches vehicles, even at proto level and is only good for killing Infantry.

Nay to the additional grenades, but as a specialization, give each race power to their various weapons, Caldari for example, bonus to explosive damage, Gallente, bonus to shield damage. Would also be a good idea to have a larger ammo capacity per level too, making their usage more viable instead of a scout and swarms.

If Heavy is Sentinel, AV class is Warden

Would like to know AV guy's opinions on dropships.
Here's my thread and arguments. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=81540&find=unread

New order of business in the Aztec style: Putting the "AV" in LAV

Fit up a well tanked LAV.
Put an active scanner on it.
Use it to move around the map quickly and find good spots to snipe vehicles with your swarm launcher.
If vehicles are scarce, snipe enemy installations.
When that's done speed through areas with your scanner on to alert troops of enemy positions.

If HAVs are inside complexes raising hell, but can't be swarmed from a distance, it's time for the AV Kamikaze run!

Activate hardeners, repair, and scanner.
Drive LAV at top speed into complex and ram tank.
Jump out, unload AV grenades, and get off a swarm in all the confusion.
HAV go BOOM.
You will probably die in process.
It's worth it.

Fellow AV enthusiasts, I just went 11-3 in domination (all vehicle and passenger kills) doing as described above. Two HAVs went down in separate kamikaze runs because they were staying in closed quarter areas.

Keep the AV spirit alive. Stay united. Stay vigilant. And stay hungry!

I really get the feeling like the Swarms are all GONE? I can tell you with full proficiency and best launcher, I can NOT take out a well built tank or dropship, this is a HUGE problem for me..



If I complete my AV tree, I expect to get some vehicle kills.. this is garbage ..simply put

Hey guys, you know..
If they made drop-ships not cost 1.5 million isk AND get killed instantly by Bolas spawning inside of them -- There'd be more pilots for you to shoot down. Think of the sweet sweet WP those RDV's are stealing from you all the time.

Sadly for you, most pilots are specing out in a couple days because of all the bugs and prices/lack of rewards.

But may I remind you...

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As a dedicated Forge Gunner, I propose that Dropships not only get the massive price cut, but also a considerable HP buff and countermeasures like early warning systems and defensive features.

Honestly, I'm getting tired of explaining to pilots why the FG shouldn't be nerfed just because they can rip dropships apart in a short amount of time. They obviously don't use it regularly against LAVs and HAVs or they wouldn't be suggesting nerfs on damage, charge up time, range, et cetera. The marauder HAVs are currently missing, and some players are scary good with just the militia and standard tanks and give us AVers plenty to chew on but once those roll out again, things will get really interesting. But then the current Dropships cruise in, and no matter how good the pilots are, they are basically cannon fodder for FG, to the point where even if they survive, they are being useless to their side. The problem here is not the FG, but the Dropships.

You keep calling for dedicated AV weaponry nerfs, all you'll see people packing are AV grenades, which do indeed need a nerf or at least in the sense of a much steeper SP buy-in for the really good ones: with a branching skill tree for different grenade types and supplemental skills which increase their effectivity up to what is the equivalent of their current stats.

Logi LAVs make sense honestly, they need to be strong to fulfil their support role BUT there are issues regarding the LAVs as a whole and would like all AVers feedback here

Anyone know which is better against heavily shielded vehicles? AV Grenade or Flux grenades?

Seems like AV does more damage to shields than flux despite flux supposedly being better against shields. AV also has the added bonus of doing heavy armor damage after the shields are down as well as automatic tracking if the vehicle drives off. I'm only talking about standard level as I havent unlocked ADV or PROTO yet but I imagine they scale the same way.

L1 on the swarm launcher (currently no use) should either be for more accurate lock-ons, or cancelling lock-ons

My only problem with AV specifically, is that AV grenades are too cheap for the damage they do.

Otherwise, the biggest issue is not having ADV and PRO vehicles. What do you guys think?

Then what's the point of PROTO tanks when they are just as effective as STD tanks were before their introduction. THat just makes tanks more of an SP and ISK sink, while AV gets another huge buff for no extra cost. AV is balanced and needs to stay the way it is, or tankers need another respec. My final verdict on this game comes when I get my Sagaris back in its full and proto form. Look at it this way: if STD AV and STD TANKS are balanced, then PRO AV and PRO tanks will be balanced, upon release. However, in all honesty, a tank that requires 4 ishukone forges to kill is very powerful...maybe...overly powerful. The only option is to make them so SP and ISK intensive that they will be the hardest things to get in the game and only rich corps will be able to deploy them and only like the top 15 tankers in the game will dare use them because of how bad it'd be to lose one. If i had a tank that powerful, i'd pay 20 mil each without a second thought. Nerfing them with ISK is the best bet. It'd also be good for tankers, though, because in PC matches, every team would need tanks to kill tanks. PRO AV would still work in pubs because i don't see anyone risking 20 mil for a 250,000 ISK reward, especially when someone else might do it too and kill you.

I mean, EVE has Titans, so dust needs the equivilant - proto tanks

One person with AV shouldn't be able to solo a tank. End of story. Remember when people got excited becaus they had to coordinate in a squad to kill marauders. I want that back.

I solo STD stanks with PRO gear...and with the right tanker it isn't even easy at this point. I figure it wont be possible when the PRO tanks hit the streets.

Swarm missiles are too slow to catch a Jet in a chase, and I do not think this should be changed. Instead I think Swarm missiles should be programmed to try to intercept the JetGÇÖs projected flight path, and then turn and try to hit the Jet head on. This would mean that a Swarm Launcher would be effective when a Jed is approaching, but not when a Jet is fleeing.

Since Jets will be speed tanking, they probably will not have much HP, so it should not take very many shots to kill them.

I think a speed increase should be available. I've noticed some vehicles have no problem out running swarms but with that being said it should be something to skill into.

what needs to happen to all AV and vehicles stats is that once they bring in all the vehicles, they NEED to RESET all the stats in the market to 0 then work their way up on everything from militia gear to standard gear to advanced gear to prototype gear, that way EVERYTHING will have the proper stats and the proper balance weve all wanted will finally be achieved, until then AV will have the advantage over vehicles since AV has advanced and prototype weapons while we only have standard HAVs and no enforcers don't count, there just expensive militia tanks (anyone that supports enforcers doesn't tank and just wants easy tank kills which is what enforcers are) no self respecting tank driver I know of has specced into enforcers.

back on the subject, I feel that if AV and Vehicle players COME AND WORK TOGETHER AND RATIONALIZE TOGETHER AND NOT RIP AT EACH OTHERS THROATS WE WILL ACHIEVE THE BEST BALANCE THIS GAME CAN OFFER.

what needs to happen to all AV and vehicles stats is that once they bring in all the vehicles, they NEED to RESET all the stats in the market to 0 then work their way up on everything from militia gear to standard gear to advanced gear to prototype gear, that way EVERYTHING will have the proper stats and the proper balance weve all wanted will finally be achieved, until then AV will have the advantage over vehicles since AV has advanced and prototype weapons while we only have standard HAVs and no enforcers don't count, there just expensive militia tanks (anyone that supports enforcers doesn't tank and just wants easy tank kills which is what enforcers are) no self respecting tank driver I know of has specced into enforcers.

back on the subject, I feel that if AV and Vehicle players COME AND WORK TOGETHER AND RATIONALIZE TOGETHER AND NOT RIP AT EACH OTHERS THROATS WE WILL ACHIEVE THE BEST BALANCE THIS GAME CAN OFFER.

HMG > Free LAV
Those were the days.

AV = Anti Vehicle

We're supposed to be able to own the shiez out of vehicles
forge and swarm are balanced
slight nerf to av nades
thats why its called Anti Vehicle
not, sorta anti vehicle

Lol of course you don't want your easy mode fire and forget nerfed at all. Heaven forbid you should have to use a forge gun and....... actually aim.

and without vehicles this would most certainly become COD 514

Swarm launchers what a joke they are

Auto lock on in a second or 2 if that

Missiles follow around corners

Missiles go invisable half the time

Requires no aim


If an assault rifle did this it would be classed as OP and 99% of the ppl would be in uproar about how it takes no skill to use yet 99% of the ppl would still use this weapon because FoTM

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers]

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Sure, protostomping STD level tanks. I'm sure you're very skilled.

As someone who is skilled into Prototype AV gear, I can definitely say that AV is BY FAR the most "god mode" of all the stuff you can do in Dust 514. You basically just glance angrily at vehicles and they explode. It's the easiest role in the game.

If you want "easy mode," just spec AV.

Have you heard about the Ishukone Assault Forge Gun? That thing is indifferent towards vehicles and infantry.

Sure, you can't kill infantry with a swarm launcher, but you make up for that with e-z mode fire and forget against vehicles. Forge guns at least require some skill.

how else am I going to be heard?

lol

Doesnt want his crutch removed because he will fall over

Needs his instalocking through wall swarms which fire invisible missiles which bend around cover

makes swarms anti air only and slow down the forge gun projectile a bit, problem solved.

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The fk? Nerf the range? Um forge gun is not a anti vehicle.
Read above lol anti material. Don't touch it's range seriously that's dumb.

Forge guns should take a large nerf to either total damage, or charge time, but not both.

AV nades should be limited to for all types. Yes, a tank camping a CRU is annoying as hell (I've been on both sides of the equation) but one infantry shouldn't be able to pop a tank. It should take a coordinated effort for AV nades to destroy a properly fit tank.