Anyone know which is better against heavily shielded vehicles? AV Grenade or Flux grenades?

Seems like AV does more damage to shields than flux despite flux supposedly being better against shields. AV also has the added bonus of doing heavy armor damage after the shields are down as well as automatic tracking if the vehicle drives off. I'm only talking about standard level as I havent unlocked ADV or PROTO yet but I imagine they scale the same way.

~ Agreed on stances ~

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenades and Militia LAV's must both be nerfed. To give AV players more purpose on the battlefield
-+ Plasma Cannon must be buffed. It is currently a silly novelty, that is not competitive
-+ We are alright with the Forge Gun's damage being nerfed, AT RANGE! Not base

~ Stuff still on the table ~

• Medium frame Av class dropsuit
• Flux Grenades

L1 on the swarm launcher (currently no use) should either be for more accurate lock-ons, or cancelling lock-ons

Didn't L1 used to add zoom? Why'd they take it out?

AV>Flux.

Flux seems to do A LOT less damage than they used to back in Chromosome. I feel it should get it's damage back. Nobody ever complained about it before.

Who agrees?

My only problem with AV specifically, is that AV grenades are too cheap for the damage they do.

Otherwise, the biggest issue is not having ADV and PRO vehicles. What do you guys think?

Granted, though, you realize that AV will receive a buff when this occurs right?

Do not think for a second that they will leave the values how they are. Though, SP requirements may also be lowered on the vehicle end. That said, proto vehicles will not require 10 guys with Proto Swarm launchers to destroy them.

Then what's the point of PROTO tanks when they are just as effective as STD tanks were before their introduction. THat just makes tanks more of an SP and ISK sink, while AV gets another huge buff for no extra cost. AV is balanced and needs to stay the way it is, or tankers need another respec. My final verdict on this game comes when I get my Sagaris back in its full and proto form. Look at it this way: if STD AV and STD TANKS are balanced, then PRO AV and PRO tanks will be balanced, upon release. However, in all honesty, a tank that requires 4 ishukone forges to kill is very powerful...maybe...overly powerful. The only option is to make them so SP and ISK intensive that they will be the hardest things to get in the game and only rich corps will be able to deploy them and only like the top 15 tankers in the game will dare use them because of how bad it'd be to lose one. If i had a tank that powerful, i'd pay 20 mil each without a second thought. Nerfing them with ISK is the best bet. It'd also be good for tankers, though, because in PC matches, every team would need tanks to kill tanks. PRO AV would still work in pubs because i don't see anyone risking 20 mil for a 250,000 ISK reward, especially when someone else might do it too and kill you.

I mean, EVE has Titans, so dust needs the equivilant - proto tanks

^I want it.

One person with AV shouldn't be able to solo a tank. End of story. Remember when people got excited becaus they had to coordinate in a squad to kill marauders. I want that back.

I solo STD stanks with PRO gear...and with the right tanker it isn't even easy at this point. I figure it wont be possible when the PRO tanks hit the streets.

This thread is meant to unite us AV players against all Pilots/Drivers. Image it being like 300 Spartans vs a horde of Persian immortals.

Together we stand.

I want to blow it up! lol. Seriously though, from Running AV in Chromosome and in Uprising, Surya and Sagaris were NOT a 1 man job. Right now I can solo just about any tank I come across provided the right conditions.....but I do think that a proto tank should require at least a 2 man team to take down. BUT...I dont think the likelihood of having 2 AV players in one patch will make that Viable....as a Proto tank can have 1 man wiping down a whole team, and a 2 man AV squad would be rare to see. On that note though, a true AVer and a few blues with nades COULD tip the balance.

Swarm missiles are too slow to catch a Jet in a chase, and I do not think this should be changed. Instead I think Swarm missiles should be programmed to try to intercept the JetGÇÖs projected flight path, and then turn and try to hit the Jet head on. This would mean that a Swarm Launcher would be effective when a Jed is approaching, but not when a Jet is fleeing.

Since Jets will be speed tanking, they probably will not have much HP, so it should not take very many shots to kill them.

Used to have zoom, maybe it was too accurate? Now I accidentally lock onto other things during crucial moments. Also you used to be able to cancel the lock by switching weapons, not anymore. Now if you want to cancel the lock you have to 180 turn away from what you had locked and wait for the lock to lose itself.....time consuming and not always viable.

New topic:

Should Swarm Launchers get a speed increase when jets come out? Should they be able to hit jets?