So your saying that the only difference between COD and Dust is vehicles?
That's an insult to COD

Swarm launchers what a joke they are

Auto lock on in a second or 2 if that

Missiles follow around corners

Missiles go invisable half the time

Requires no aim


If an assault rifle did this it would be classed as OP and 99% of the ppl would be in uproar about how it takes no skill to use yet 99% of the ppl would still use this weapon because FoTM

Seriously leave the AV nades the **** alone
They absolutely need the the damage otherwise there would be very little to deter vehicle players and Ill use the murder taxi problem as an example, before people specced into better AV options you would see the trucks just going back and forth feeling completely safe but now that there is more danger to them out in the field they try to hit and run or get blown up

Same thing with tanks, how often in the past have you seen one park next to a CRU to rack up kills
With the grenades high spike damage it at the very least scares him off since now he knows there is danger


Now as for homing its really not as good as you think it is, more often than not for the homing to be effective, especially with a packed grenade since those have a much shorter homing range, your throw would already have to be dead on
On top of that theres a delay between throwing, homing activation, and the explosion so youll end up having grenades bounce off a vehicles hull before the homing actually kicks in and the thing explodes



Now I know the likely counter argument is "They arent a primary blah blah blah" and thats right they arent, even with the high spike damage you have limited ammo, limited range, and the scenario of 'People just throw down hives and spam them" only works if the vehicle driver is a complete dunce and is sitting stone still



So yeah, summary time
Viable deterrent option that is perfect as is since it carries enough limitations to counter the spike damage and the only ones that it will constantly be deadly to are bad drivers]

Baby's Candy Stealers United!

If you calling Tankers babies, then yes, I am taking there candy. Not because I stole it, because I dueled them and rightfully won.


LOL

Sure, protostomping STD level tanks. I'm sure you're very skilled.

Cod fked up an entire genre for years by making the only profitable FPS to be a twitch FPS.

your all hypocrites, you want balance and expect us to bend over and let you take us down with one shot form your ARs, yet when we ask for balance you claim its just god mode and all, and you don't want tanks to be worth their costs at the current price because you don't want this to be "World of Tanks", if vehicles disappear like your trying to make them do then this will become another boring ass piece of **** call of duty game with nothing new worth getting into by real gamers (real gamers don't play gall of duty)....


all fps have ARs, SMGs, LMGs, Rockets, Knives.. basically the same old boring **** game after game after game, but dust 514 actually has something NEW, called vehicles, yet they are **** and not worth skilling into because of you AR fanbois crying nerf to every ******* thing besides the AR.... vehicles are what is standing between dust514 and call of duty..

As someone who is skilled into Prototype AV gear, I can definitely say that AV is BY FAR the most "god mode" of all the stuff you can do in Dust 514. You basically just glance angrily at vehicles and they explode. It's the easiest role in the game.

If you want "easy mode," just spec AV.

agreed..... its just point click a button and shoot, no skill at all... but that's also with everything.... but the fact that it can be done to whats meant to be the most powerful class in the game which we are not its kinda bs

When you look at relative damage scale, vehicles have roughly the same eHP of scout suits.

Just look at the damage output of the weapons designed to damage them, vs their total HP. Sure, their HP numbers are larger, but so are the DMG numbers of AV weapons. Add to that the fact that vehicles are MUCH larger targets than a dropsuit, and it's pretty obvious that vehicles are the weakest things you can use in the game.

I've found, almost to a man, that vehicle users are the ones in-game who are looking for the biggest challenge, and AV users are the ones looking for easy points/kills.

When you pilot a tank or a dropship you are intentionally making the game harder for yourself.

the vehicle class is the hardest to do

New topic: AV grenades; don't nerf them!

On this thread I propose that all dedicated AV players unite to protect our interests. To show CCP that we are not all just assault players that were forced to use AV equipment, we chose to use these tools of destruction. So we will defend our way of life.

Including but not limited to:

GÇóAV grenades - This topic will be a **** show for sure

AV Grenades are mostly fine...

GÇóFlux Grenades - Why would you nerf these?

Because some Caldari Logi's whine like bitches...

GÇóSwarm Launchers - Why you take away ADS? Give back the Binoculars!

This is acceptable.

GÇóForge guns - Fine

FGs are fine; even from a vehicle users perspective.

GÇóPlasma Cannon - I don't even consider this AV, that is how bad it is

The Plasma Cannon is a joke.

GÇóSidearms - You sometimes have to degrade yourself to shooting mercs in the face

No real issues with this... until they start rivaling primary weapons.

GÇóVehicle armor & shields - Another crap storm

Yep... another crap storm

GÇóVehicle pricing - Too damn high!

Agreed

GÇóVehicle turrets

GÇóGround turrets (missile and blaster) - They fine.

Agreed

GÇóRemote Explosives - Fine, more people should use.

Yup.

GÇóMedium frame Av class dropsuit

GÇóProto vehicles - Should proto HAV's be ground Titans?

Yes but, they should cost quite a bit and have disadvantages.

~ Agreed on stances ~*Click light bulbs to go to post, ! means that was the concluding thought

-+ 40% reduction to Dropship prices <- Click*
-+ LAV spam is beneficial to AV players because it gives us more targets
-+ AV grenades and Militia LAV's must both be nerfed. To give AV players more purpose on the battlefield
-+ Plasma Cannon must be buffed. It is currently a silly novelty, that is not competitive
-+ We are alright with the Forge Gun's damage being nerfed, AT RANGE! Not base!
-+ Make the L1 button cancel Swarm lock-ons before shooting
-+ There should be a skill that increases the speed of swarm missiles
-+ AV grenades should not be nerfed, HAV's should be buffed though
~ Unresolved topics ~

• Medium frame Av class dropsuit
• Flux Grenades
• Proto vehicles

|Current discussion|
- Remote Explosives
- Flux grenades
- Proto Vehicles
- Swarm missile speed
- AV grenades

As someone who is skilled into Prototype AV gear, I can definitely say that AV is BY FAR the most "god mode" of all the stuff you can do in Dust 514. You basically just glance angrily at vehicles and they explode. It's the easiest role in the game.

If you want "easy mode," just spec AV.

Your good against vehicles but you then you can't kill infantry reliably. Most of your CPU is used up in damage mods, swarm/forge, flux/AV nade.

You act like you can beat everything thing in this game as long as you have AV. Guess what, you can't.

Echo, you used to be fun, now your no better than people like O'Dell

Your good against vehicles but you then you can't kill infantry reliably. Most of your CPU is used up in damage mods, swarm/forge, flux/AV nade.

You act like you can beat everything thing in this game as long as you have AV. Guess what, you can't.

Echo, you used to be fun, now your no better than people like O'Dell

Have you heard about the Ishukone Assault Forge Gun? That thing is indifferent towards vehicles and infantry.

Sure, you can't kill infantry with a swarm launcher, but you make up for that with e-z mode fire and forget against vehicles. Forge guns at least require some skill.

how else am I going to be heard?

How about making well reasoned arguments? How about respectful witty banter? A tally ho, to your Ha-Ha, if you would?

Besides, HAV's and Dropships will be buffed regardless, so nerfing AV grenades to be less effective against current HAV's will make them useless to HAV's after 1.5.