ccp why have you made armor faster than shield you took away the only advantage caldari tanks had. and tanks no longer make sense it makes 0 sense that armor moves faster than shield the only advatage gone. maddy now trump gunlogi's in every way they are faster have more hp the wep that is effective vs them was nerfer swarm,and they can go under hardeners for a full minute while we get 10 secs

Why do whiners always forget the massive damage advantage Shield HAV's enjoy (lows can be filled with damage mods, Armour tanks can't really sacrifice their low slots) when whining about the differences between the HAV's?

Because Armor slows you down and shield doesen't.

you are wrong sadly we cannot now caldaris have to have powergrid upgrades in both lows to function with decent turrents try again

And Gallente HAV's don't have PG problems?

Having to use loads of fitting mods to fit all proto guns and HP mods, really, do you expect any different??

It's the same for Armour tanks.

again as i said i did not start this thread to discuss pg issues i started this thread to discuss speed my tank fittings are adjusted to uprising and i know what you can and cannot do with a madrugar

It actually does, but shields are more resilient than armor, and caldari being range based they don't value speed

clearly your not a caldari tanker as any caldari hav driver you ask will tell you originally the attraction to caldari was speed

in CHROMOSOME if you play dust at all any caldari tanker would have told you that they're advantages over gallente was speed and dmg vs gallentes resilience and damage because gallente can use rails 2 and missiles were worthless. the only other advatage was we could fit one of our low powered on the gunlogi with dmg mod ...so 2 advatages
1 speed
2 dmg
both gone. while half the tanking world quit and the majority of the remaining tankers switched to gallente because its better in all aspects. and then there is the few who stayed caldari who have no purpose left in dust and are waiting for a damn respec hoping that before the respec by some miracle ccp fixes this

so plates should be weaker and give a speed penalty on top of that? that would make plates worthless and would make the tank ment for the frontlines that much weaker...... even with the gallente tank being faster its still slow accelerating and being even weaker than it currently is would just make it free points points for all the AV nades....

before the hp buff my madrugar couldnt even survive 3 hacked EX-0 AV grenades with base shields full 4.7k armor and 26% damage resistance im not sure how well it would survive it now since i tend to try gunning players down from a distance now and players arent using as many of their hacked EX-0 even tho i know tons of players stocked up by the 1000s

we should all quit crying for the other race's vehicles to get nerfed and instead focus on trying to get CCP to buff them to where they are worth the crazy high pricetags they come with

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

*shrugs*

I don't know, I know I wish shields were a bit more nimble, maybe a faster turn speed and such, but It's not a massive issue to me, I do feel we need to work on the pros and cons a lot more with Shields vs Armor, Shield Tanks have quite a slow passive regen making that a non viable solution, also Armor Tanks are just as good as Shield Tanks when it comes to railgun snipers, and with their heavy armor reps they can get back into sniping position before my shields are ready.

Then again.. just yesterday I ambushed three Madrugars with a LLAV as back up in my Shield Tank and won (Killing the final just as I overheated hehe). We may not be as fast anymore, but with the bonuses to Missiles the Falchion gives us, that's where our advantage is, long range missile sniping.

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

+1 This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

I've spent over 100 million ISK on shield tanks in this build. I've experimented with just about every fitting you can think of but nothing seems to work. Now i'm forced to use militia dropsuits because shield tanking just isn't worth it anymore.

far more ppl carry AV than flux and do flux grenades destroy your tank? nope they just soften it for something else to destroy

a single guy with AV grenades can destroy an armor tank a single guy with flux would need another form of AV to actually destroy a shield tank


in all honesty rather than nerf something on armor tanks they should buff something for the shielders for example better natural shield regen for you guys my old tank's shields never bothered me when i was a caldari tanker it was the weaker repper that bothered me it was quite a bit weaker than armor reppers and the natural shield regen didnt really make up for it unless i wasted lots of valuable time hiding to let the natural regen work its magic

i agree with our advantages being in long range missile sniping ..actually i have to say that is our only advantage
no there is no point in dropping regen module why so you can ap 19% to 22hps so 4.6 hp per second difference scoff worthless
missiles the only turrent enhancment that effects them rotation speed and fmg mods ...jason your a tanker i repect so serious convo about missiles ive unlocked all turrents. proto accels seem just what they should be ...and proto fargs as well.....maybe a slight widening of the radius...but idc about the radius as it doesnt effect me. cycled .....ok in my ex with missile rate of fire sucks and enhanceing the rate of fire for missiles only speeds up the rate the missiles leave the gun NOT THE FIRE INTERVAL ...i FEEL like rof is a useless concept applyed to missiles i think the cycled bonus for doing less dmg shouldnt be that they are hard as **** to hit with but that the fire interval should be shorter. also explain why amor on a planet which HAS GRAVITY moves faster than shield which is an electric field an has no mass to weigh it down. i am upset because a madrugar can out run a caldari when it shouldnt people keep telling me ohhhh BUT SPACE SHIPs IN EVE ......space has no gravity you can get away with speed differences despite weight because in space there is no concept of weight

If you just look at the variants which would you think is faster? the sleek sharp one(Gallente) or the slightly bulkier more armored one(Caldari).

I would like to see differences with Acceleration and Top Speed tbh, Shields having faster acceleration (Lightweight) whereas Armor Tanks having a higher Top Speed (I was never good at physics, sue me ;) But being heavier "could" help increasing speed? :D )

This means the whilst the Gallente Tank is faster overall, the Caldari one becomes more nimble, giving them an advantage in built up areas but losing when travelling over distance.

Just a thought.

so are gallente suits faster than caldari suits ...no you say ...why? ..you ask because they are armor based AND ARMOR IS FREAKING HEAVY furthermore ccp picking up a keyboard should not add a jovian to all vehicles i am a sony girl i use controlles stop giving acceleration edge to keyboard i hate using this thing but if i dont im the slowest moving tank and while earlier after uprising i can be found saying u fixed this i was wrong you fixed the turrent with the mouse but not the acceleration using W.S.A.D keys. and just becuase i know some keyboard tanker is gunna go ohh but our equip wheel is all ****** up i know it is and it should be fixed.

the aerodynamics make the tank frame faster the 6k armor on the other hand does infact weigh it down (25% speed reduction) but think about what kinda engine it would actually take to move either tank almost as fast as an LAV with that kinda power on the motor i could see it having only a slight problem dragging around all that extra armor

well in a tank's case only the weight and aerodynamics matter tanks dont have inflated wheels to factor in they have solid tracks which arent going to deform and add resistance

so u have the armor which is going to slow down the tank and aerodynamics which is going to reduce the air resistance

besides how do we know that gallente doesnt use stronger motors since they do prefer their mobility not all vehicles were created equil which is often the case in real life and games

its true all things are not made equal ..and the tire part obviously we have tracks...but that doesnt negate the fact thatt madrugars move faster deal more damage and take more damage than caldari's not only those factors either madrugars have better reppers2
more hp faster more resistances more damage more healing abilities ....tell me something what aspect do caldari tanks have that madrugars dont that better than what madrugars have. and dont say they have a regen pn our main hp we have already established thats worthlessness

so basically ALL of you EVE bois are saying that gallente are low buffer high regen focused toward armor with a speed bonus but the only place this carries over is HAVs but they have largest buffer now? bs if you give them a bonus somewhere you need to balance it out somewhere and I say just reduce the armor slightly and reduce the amount of HP added with plates by 30% because they are not the massive buffer race that's Amarr. and if you setup a bonus in EVE that doesn't need to be added to dust because ship are not the same HAVs. and I want to point out that you(CCP) clearly already stated that in dust gallente have =speed as caldari and the minmatar are the ones with the speed bonus so you are breaking both dust and EVE traits and insulting us shield HAVs.

The higher base spees is to compensate the lower acceleration and worse handling of plated Havs. While gallente havs get a great buffer, caldari wins in short skirmishes because of the ability to burst tank better and room for a higher dps when you don't overfit. Any idiot could tell you gallente are the speed based armor tankers because in Eve they have to brawl, and you could easily see the speed distribution looking at the Ares, malediction,, raptor, and stiletto. Which are the fastest ships of each race.

+1 This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

I've spent over 100 million ISK on shield tanks in this build. I've experimented with just about every fitting you can think of but nothing seems to work. Now i'm forced to use militia dropsuits because shield tanking just isn't worth it anymore.

mort is a woman and yes she is right.

tehe yeah i ama girl ...and yeah i am right and to you who wants to use eve to explain why gallente is faster than caldari EVE IS SPACE 0 GRAVITY MEAN WEIGHT DOES NOT EFFECT SPEED GALLENTE BEING SPEED IN DUST IS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC. you cannot use spaceships as an example to explain speed differences on land craft as there are different factors to consider LIKE GRAVITY

since everyone keeps bringing up gravity guess u should also know that there is very little matter in space so aerodynamics are also irrelevant for the ships
exactly so using eve spaceships to explain or compare the dust differences between gallente havs and caldari havs is stupid. factors that do not matter at all in eve matter in dust. the fact that gallente ships are fast in eve can only b due to the thrusting ability as neither weight nor air friction exist in space so stop using space ships to explain tanks they are two completely different things with completely different environmental factors. im not gunna read up and see who kept pissing me off trying to explain ground vehicles with space vehicles cause my eyes hurt but at least we all agree we cannot explain the differences between caldari and gallente havs by using eve ships.

the only thing that would really matter would be the strength of the ship's thrusters which would go to say gallente uses stronger ones which if it carried over to their ground vehicles would mean their tanks use stronger engines than the other races aside from maybe the minmatars

The higher base spees is to compensate the lower acceleration and worse handling of plated Havs. While gallente havs get a great buffer, caldari wins in short skirmishes because of the ability to burst tank better and room for a higher dps when you don't overfit. Any idiot could tell you gallente are the speed based armor tankers because in Eve they have to brawl, and you could easily see the speed distribution looking at the Ares, malediction,, raptor, and stiletto. Which are the fastest ships of each race.

I don't play EVE nor do I like playing eve. and btw armor tanks still accelerate faster then shield tanks so go bugger off. the handling for turns is the same as well so that too holds no value. so armor has more DPS, more HP more regained from repairers then booster and faster. what does shield HAVs have resistant to av nades and swarm launcher but armor HAV resistant to plasma cannon and flux nades so shield just has nothing going for it but it forces different type of AV weapons which can be said of armor too. armor has it all with no down sides, that has to change.

pretty sure plasma launcher is actually hybrid like the rail's and forge's and while fluxes are dangerous to caldari tanks they arent as common on the battlefield cant home in on tanks and cant actually destroy anything other than the shields itsself

while caldari DPS is lower(when using the caldari turrets) they have much greater range and allow caldari to engage at much further distances keeping them out of harms way which if used to your advantage allows u guys to outdo gallente blaster tanks by crippling them before they can get into range to counter

i think CCP needs to push players more towards the role the vehicles were designed for by increasing the CPU and decreasing the PG of caldari vehicles and adjusting the modules that best suit them accordingly so that u see less caldari blaster tanks and gallente rail/missile tanks as well as buffing caldari vehicle shield regen to help balance the difference between their reppers

the plasma launcher does more to shields then it does to armor unlike rails and forges. last time I checked the range is the same, armor tanks can put on the same turrets as shields so that's complete BS. btw dude even with high CPU modules and turrets there I still have over 100 CPU left over so leave you bad balancing ideas behind because you have terrible ideas that have no reason behind them. check your fact there bro.

i know last build i was able to go over the gunlogi's max CPU using no proto turrets with lv3 circuitry

Y'all clearly don't understand the complexities of space physics.

i think CCP needs to push players more towards the role the vehicles were designed for by increasing the CPU and decreasing the PG of caldari vehicles and adjusting the modules that best suit them accordingly so that u see less caldari blaster tanks and gallente rail/missile tanks as well as buffing caldari vehicle shield regen to help balance the difference between their reppers

Caldari combat doctrine: "We will kill you from the other side of the solar system, we don't need speed"
Gallente combat doctrine: "I Will Melt Ya Face With Ma BLAZTERS BWHAHAAHA"

IMO caldari/gallente havs needs skill bonuses to work correctly.
Something like:
Caldari Hav skill bonus: 5% range to large turrets
Gallente Hav skill bonus: 2% to blaster damage or 5% to armor repair rep amount

Something to give racial flavour to the tanks.

EDIT: I really love the "facemelting" approach, unfurtunately it gets you killed a lot. Stopped playing eve because was tired of risk-averse kiters. DEATH OR GLORY, like a true man.

better modules need to come first, you can't balance for what isn't there.

then they should make the madrugars only capable of fitting blaster and the caldari only capable of fitting av weapons make the large slot weapon specific instead instead of trying to get us to conform to random barriers by stealth nerfing the things that make variety possible

gallente armor is made of carbonfiber and therefore faster than the caldari

hmm sounds like the crap i expect to be spewed by ccp no suprise its coming from chronos's mouth

no tanker who has used both in uprisng can say caldari has a single advantage that makes them worth specking into and be telling the truth. if you think theres even one speak up.

Ninja'd before I could post.

Hey hey hey, don't generalize CRONOS xD

I have both now and I think CCP should stop "racial traits" BS and give gunloggi its speed back. I'm an armor tanker but tried gunloggi with missiles in this build.

Caldari HAV's are supposed to snipe. That's why they don't have speed.

Peace, Godin

Finally someone that gets it

Shield tanks: Low PG, high CPU.

Armor tank: High PG, low CPU.

Railguns,missiles: Low PG use, high CPU use. ( Shield tank )

Blasters: High PG use, low CPU use. ( Armor tank )

If you put blasters on you shield tank, well thats your problem to solve not CCP's

Armor tankers also get CPU problems if they fit Railguns/missiles.

just use as it was ment to be used and stop crying over PG.

Shield tanks are ment to be artilliry tanks.

All i can say is that i DONT have any PG problems at all on my shield tanks.

your a ******* dumb ass did you even read the thread before commenting on it here lemme clue you in ***** using the proper turrent for caldari makes no ******* difference read the thread before you decide to open your ******* trap.

ccp why have you made armor faster than shield you took away the only advantage caldari tanks had. and tanks no longer make sense it makes 0 sense that armor moves faster than shield the only advatage gone. maddy now trump gunlogi's in every way they are faster have more hp the wep that is effective vs them was nerfer swarm,and they can go under hardeners for a full minute while we get 10 secs

This is the type of player you were aiming for by putting DUST 514 on the PS3, right, CCP?

Well, okay. Your call.


Maybe, Mortedeamor, you should read up a little on current tactics and traits by the races in EVE before you start trying to change EVE lore. Because unfortunately for you, DUST takes place in EVE's universe, with EVE's factions. And that's not changing. Caldari equipment isn't going to suddenly become faster than Gallente. Gallente focus on active armor repping to keep our speed up while using high powered plasma based close range weapons.

Caldari use slower ships that attack from obnoxiously long ranges with a self-regenerating shield tank (the best shields by lore) and move slowly. Because they need to move fast when they're killing you from allllllllll the way over there.

yeah and maybe before you open your ******* mouth you should take the time to consider that eve deals with spaceships key word SPACE AS IN 0 GRAVITY where armor has no weight the fact the gallente is faster than caldari in eve is irrelevant when applied to dust tanks in dust are not floating around space they are sitting on a planet. where armor has wieght. the fact that ccp has made armor faster than shield in UPRISING is complete lunacy and makes 0 sense

Then feel free to enlighten me on the physics of the inertia dampener, and how the shields work? Also how exactly the laser rifle is as precise (not to mention visible) and powerful as it is?

Here, try this: Because the Madrugar has 1/3 the shield capabilities of the Gunnlogi, whatever it is that would normally take up the space of the shield generator can be used to install a bigger engine in the Madrugar. And since the Gallente are armor specialists, they have R&D to much lighter, more effective armor equipment than the Caldari, who in turn favor their shields.

Or feel free to keep raging like you are, being ignored by CCP and the likes. You don't have to act like a child about it though, insulting everyone and cursing up and down the thread.

are you a tanker in dust

and furthermore in uprising gallente tanks trump caldari in all aspects period they are faster have more hp deal more damage and take more damage they have better resistance modules and the effective weapons on them were nerfed. YOU CANNOT USE EVE SPACE SHIPS TO EXPLAIN DUST TANKS they operate in different environments with different factors that effect speed. also you can fitt a madrugar with a rail gun equally if not more effectively than a gunlogi. and it out ranges missiles and is more effective vs shield so a gunlogi with missiles or rail...vs a madrugar with rail the madrugar will be able to kill the gunlogi before it can get within range when thinking of proto accelerated missiles and with rail vs rail the advantage still goes to the madrugar as it ca have 60 second of active res more hp fast yadyada same reasons do not comment on dust tanks unless your a dust tanker you clearly do not know what your talking about

and i have no idea how laser rifles or inertial dampener got brought into this but its hands down true that gallente trumps caldari in every single aspect period every taker that is in uprising will say the same the only advantages caldari ever had were gone with the uprising update mocking me wont change the fact that ccp has ****** the balance with tanks this build.

Then feel free to enlighten me on the physics of the inertia dampener, and how the shields work? Also how exactly the laser rifle is as precise (not to mention visible) and powerful as it is?

Here, try this: Because the Madrugar has 1/3 the shield capabilities of the Gunnlogi, whatever it is that would normally take up the space of the shield generator can be used to install a bigger engine in the Madrugar. And since the Gallente are armor specialists, they have R&D to much lighter, more effective armor equipment than the Caldari, who in turn favor their shields.

Or feel free to keep raging like you are, being ignored by CCP and the likes. You don't have to act like a child about it though, insulting everyone and cursing up and down the thread.

They got brought into this because you're claiming it makes no physical sense for something tanked with armor to have higher speed than something with shields. So I'm pointing out there are lots of things in the game that don't make sense in our current conception of reality.

Also, we do have such things as Carbon Fiber and Kevlar currently. Which are extremely lightweight, extremely durable materials. Just imagine what sort of armor composites the Gallente have in the future?

Actually the Caldari tank gets way more CPU than the Gallente, making fitting Railguns much easier on their part. Blasters take more powergrid, hence why the Gallente up the power output on theirs. And I can use EVE lore to explain DUST tanks since it directly applies. The Caldari Enforcer HAV gets bonuses to missile range and power. Missiles do less damage to shields, but more to armor... hmm.. I wonder why that is? Plus, given they can hit from much further than a blaster to begin with..

...It almost seems like the Caldari Enforcer HAV is designed to snipe from long range with missiles, and is really effective against armor tanks. But that can't be right, CCP hates Caldari and made Gallente better at everything. You know, how the Gallente get a bonus to blaster range. Because that does a whole lot for a tank design that's supposed to be engaging at range to begin with, but still needs to be the closest out of any other to be effective.

No, Caldari Enforcer HAVs don't get a bonus to range, they get a bonus to zoom.

It's extremely difficult to hit anything with missile turrets from ANY range. Splash damage on missiles are a joke, even a militia dropsuit can survive 3 - 4 volleys from my prototype missile turrets. I have to constantly rely on direct damage to get kills, especially when infantry targets are hiding behind objects. If you're using missile turrets, you better cross your fingers and pray that you'll hit something.

The DPS on Missile turrets are also extremely poor, that's why Blaster tanks always kill missile tanks in mid-close range engagements.

No, Caldari Enforcer HAVs don't get a bonus to range, they get a bonus to zoom.

It's extremely difficult to hit anything with missile turrets from ANY range. Splash damage on missiles are a joke, even a militia dropsuit can survive 3 - 4 volleys from my prototype missile turrets. I have to constantly rely on direct damage to get kills, especially when infantry targets are hiding behind objects. If you're using missile turrets, you better cross your fingers and pray that you'll hit something.

The DPS on Missile turrets are also extremely poor, that's why Blaster tanks always kill missile tanks in mid-close range engagements.

splash sucks ass and needs to be fixed. Anyways, if you read the des., enforcer skills clearly give bonuses towards range.

but it does not give range just zoom.

Until you can speak with greater respect for those who disagree with you, I'm done talking to you. Gallente are faster than Caldari (until you heavily plate the tank), HTFU and accept it.

I've told you the reasons why, you're just not listening. Please learn some etiquette. /thread

yup.

actually the enforcer tanks are (at lv5) +15% damage and range +10 zoom to their specific turrets range wise favors caldari more since missiles already come with much greater range and the fact that missile damage doesnt drop with distance

as far as missiles go they arent that bad at all just takes a bit of leading your shot i sometimes use large missiles usually either the one with blast radius or faster missiles and they work wonders against installations(usually 3 shots) at any range depending on how accurate i am

when i said faster i ment flight time not fire rate i know the cycled dont have their fire rate bonus anymore(probably a bug)

lol probably not i think most ppl assume missiles are still broken and wont go near them

my only issue with them is blast radius shots that look like they should hit dont but other than that i like em

Why do the BS threads survive the longest?

ass

Call me whatever you want but CCP changed the speeds for a reason, not only did armor accelerate slower before plates they also had a slower max speed with a similar if not lower hp. This is how it's meant to be, which is why in Eve (not a direct comparison of mechanics but it sets how races are balanced) every gallente ship is faster than it's caldari counterpart.

and ill say this again in eve your in space with 0 gravity where 6 ton armor plates weigh nothing at all but ona planet with gravity weight effects speed idc why they did it that combined with starving tankers of pg to force caldari hav user to specialize in they're ****** missiles has ruined the entire specialization.

Are you so daft I have to repeat myself? It does affect speed in Eve otherwise everything would go the same speed. It's not starving, it's you overfitting without a decent amount of skills in fitting. If you haven't noticed it's easy to fit railguns and missiles on a shield tank but hard to fit blasters and vice versa for armor because those weapons are meant for shield tanks, being cpu intensive unlike blasters which are pg intensive. Missiles aren't **** at all, they wreck blasters at a range and rails up close. And I know plenty who use missiles only.

i have to agree the missiles are almost where they need to be my only problem with them is shots that shoulda hit atleast with splash wont always hit

as far as the speed thing goes it isnt specificly the armor thats faster its the race that made the tank gallente are users of short range weapons so they need the speed to be able to catch their targets they just happen to prefer armor over shields the only thing that really makes sense is since gallente needs the speed to catch their enemys they use more powerful engines than other races just like shotguners use scout suits to move faster to get into the range they need

caldari prefering long range engagements dont have a specific need for speed they rather fire from a distance and let their large shields absorb and repair what little damage they take

ccp why have you made armor faster than shield

They didn't.

Fastest to Slowest:

Minmatar - Shield, Fastest
Gallente - Armor, Fast
Caldari - Shield, Tanky
Amarr - Armor, Tankiest (In Dust, they are broken. OmniTank? Dafuq?)

In general, armor tankers are slower than shield tankers. If ALL armor tankers were slower than ALL shield tankers, that would just be unbalanced. All armor tankers would be forced into being slow and brutish.

Leave Brittany ALONE!

You're b*tching about me insulting you yet you calles me an ass? Missiles aren't s*** at all you're probably to stupid to aim them. You didn't even actually say anything about the speed comparisons, are you really that idiotic. If it wasn't mean to be in comparison to Eve, both caldari and gallente tanks could easily armor tank with a similar hp. I would call you a ****** but even the mentally handicapped make more sense than you.

Missiles Turrets are very unreliable and ineffective, you'd be ignorant to think they're completely fine as they are right now . When you're using missile turrets, you never know if you're going to get a kill or not. When i point my blaster turret at someone, i KNOW i'm going to hit them.

Missiles Turrets are very unreliable and ineffective, you'd be ignorant to think they're completely fine as they are right now . When you're using missile turrets, you never know if you're going to get a kill or not. When i point my blaster turret at someone, i KNOW i'm going to hit them.

dropsuits caldari and gallente same speeds, LAVs same speed, dropship, same speed. so where is your point showing up?

I haven't personally tried large missile turrets but with smalls, I tend to get more kills with missiles than blasters. No missile tank pilot I know has any complaints about large missiles and at most by the second volley their target is downwhich is quite a bit more reliable than large rails, however I don't think they should match blasters in close range purely because of how much farther they can reach.

Believe me, they're very inconsistent. You have to try it for yourself to really understand what i'm talking about. Like i said before, missile turrets are unreliable from ALL ranges. The fire interval on missile is so slow that armor tanks can run to safety before i can even knock their shields down. Long-range tactics do NOT work with missile turrets.

Since I've made the switch to blaster turrets on my Gunloggi, i'm getting a lot more kills and i die a lot less often too.

The way I've seen them used is very similar to blasters but with better sustained fire, more range, and more single shot damage. Even though I didn't plan on it I may train an alt into missile tanks. I see missiles as a bit like rockets in Eve, dumb fire with decent damage and quick travel but trades damage for range in comparison to blasters.

In my opinion it not only resembles Eve closer (the condor and atron, both fast frigates have similar speed while the raven and megathron have a larger gap) it makes a larger difference with Havs in my opinion or it could be in the process of being changed.

They're not even better in those ways, caldari has plenty of damage mod room, higher resists, passive regeneration, and handling. Just because gallente is more pg oriented that doesn't make it better. And where did I say they all habe the same speed? It just becomes more noticeable in larger subcaps.

caldari 2 low slots
gallente 5 low slots

damage mods go in low slots so bs?

Stacking penalties. That is all.

Damage mods in low slots on a gallente tank = sh*t fit ohk by a forge gun. Shield hardeners don't last as long but give higher resists than armor, so none of your points have are remotely accurate off paper. Also, that tiny recharge is better than being SOL in a pure buffer armor tank.

so what it effect them both equally

I don't think you understand how stacking penalties work...

the gallente tank is ment for close range engagements where escape isnt going to be quick and easy they get the longer hardeners because of this

the caldari tank is ment to fight at a range where escape is far easier and the hardeners are only ment to last till u get behind your cover

I think you don't understand how they work.

caldari enforcers gets a ZOOM AND damage boost to missiles which are strong against armor HAVs ONLY

caldari enforcers gets a range AND damage boost to missiles which are strong against armor

Oh really?

Two damage modifiers add around 20% damage.
Five damage modifiers add 31% damage.

While it certainly is higher, it's not worth it. Giving up your entire tank for a little more damage is asinine.

I have to +1 this. As an armor tanker, you don't actually feel safe until you have at 5000+ armor, some (read: 25%) resistance, and a heavy repper. I've dabbled with damage mods, and it's not worth it.

The problem is that there isn't an option for shield tanks to become shield tanks. Also, as the entire thread is supposed to be about, the fact that shield tanks have lost their speed which gave a slight edge in the whole "escape so you can regenerate" thing.

Not that Dust has always followed EVE lore, but in EVE Gallante ships are medium armor, high armor regen, and second fastest ships in New Eden.

I believe this is where the speed order came from

FIXED btw the range boost for the whole enforcer is30m not much of a bonus because they easy to avoid at anything past 100m by everthing so range is still basically the same with them, its like they didn't even get a range bonus.

It's true that Missiles have a damage bonus to armor, but at the same time, Blaster tanks will always kill Missile tanks because they have better DPS.

It takes at least 2 - 3 volleys from a missile turret to destroy the shields on an armor tank. Each volley has a 2.5 second interval, so it takes 5 - 7.5 seconds JUST to destroy the shields on an armor tank.

By the way, shield hardeners are a complete joke. 10 seconds of resistance is not enough to protect your tank from sustained fire. Using shield hardeners instead of resistance amplifiers puts you at a huge risk because it doesn't give you constant protection like armor hardeners do.

how about instead of falsely correcting me u actually read the skill

ill quote it right now straight from the game

"Unlocks the ability to use Caldary Enforcer HAVs. +3% to missile DAMAGE and RANGE per level. +2% to maximum ZOOM per level."

it does all 3

you need to learn to read better. it seems you didn't read all of it and well that's a shame on you not me.

if u cant hit anything past 100 meters with the missiles thats your problem not the game's

i was able to get them to hit dropships out of the sky when tanks couldnt even aim up all u have to do is lead your shot and let them drive into the missiles.....

u correcting me with false info then contradicting yourself is "a shame on you not me"

my maulus cruises at 4202 m/s. that's pretty respectable for gallente.

Regardless of time you still have a higher level of resistance.

may which ever god(s) have mercy on your soul as your time must be short with that level of intelligence.

He is infinitely more intelligent than you.

What, with your belief that five damage modifiers is superior to two despite the amount of tank you lose, and your belief that time actually matters when it comes to hardeners. Many HAV brawls end fairly quickly, and having 10 seconds of high resistance can be far more useful than 30 seconds of medium resistance.

may which ever god(s) have mercy on your soul as your time must be short with that level of intelligence.

clearly you never been in a rail tank battle.

and most fights that last less than 10sec that's resist would not of helped at all. killed more shield HAV in the time for them to turn on the hardeners and booster and start shooting back.

Meaningless assumptions.


Wouldn't the same be true for those who used armor hardeners?

no because theirs is 60 seconds long so they can have it nearly permanently with cycling because their cooldown is 15 second.

plus most battles with non-HAV AV fights last longer then 10seconds where that 10 second of high resistant mean nothing.

this is why I hate dust U...

Leave Brittany ALONE!

Bro, don't even. I just joined for the lulz. I've never even squaded up with them let alone talked to them.

its not even worth playing when they are on the field its like beating up blind kids.

I am sorry, but you Gunnlogi drivers are pretty misinformed, and it is kind of blowing my mind.

Stats are as follows:

Madruger Base Speed = 93.75km/h

60mm Armor Plates (10% base speed reduction) = 93.75 - 9.375 = 84.375 km/h
120mm Armor Plates (18% base speed reduction) = 93.75 - 16.875 = 76.875 km/h
180mm Armor Plates (25% base speed reduction) = 93.75 - 23.4375 = 70.3125 km/h

Gunnlogi Base Speed =78.75 km/h
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However shields are pretty hard to take down...

Activate module. Module deactivates after 60 seconds. Wait 15 seconds for cooldown. Use annoying menu to reactivate module. What if something happens during the 15 second cooldown? That would be bad.


1. Of course that 10 seconds of high resistance means something. It would be better than not having it on.
2. In general, anti-vehicle weapons are more effective against armor than shields.

thats why you run 2 or 3...if its even possible anymmore? i dunno i didnt armor tanks this build and cycle them and have them all on at the same time yes but you start one tank it easy start num 2 at 20 secs start number 3 at 40 .....keep activating as soon as available

So speed reduction applies to what exactly? Only acceleration? This is a real question, as i mostly just use a glass cannon madruger fit.

that's where you are wrong those are top speed and armor plate does not reduce top. go home and cry about your shame.

#5 the one about rails if a shield fits a damage that does affect his defenses, he is no long able to fit a heavy extender with a heavy booster thus a lose somewhere in tanking and rails do 100% vs both armor and rails. blasters do 110% on shield and 94?% on armor. shield hav rail vs armor hav rail the armor has the better setup because of the better way to regenerate thus giving them the edge.

/me looks at Amarr and their lasers...

Um... wut?

Correct me if I am wrong, but won't there be capacitors added in SOONtm? I believe one advantage from that is that missiles (Caldari Weapon) use almost none, whereas blasters use a lot. With the advantage of having more capacitor available, Caldari would be able to use active modules more. But SOONtm usually isn't soon, so it is true that the tanks are incredibly unbalanced as is.

Also, since it was a pet peeve I had reading posts, increased mass still affects acceleration in space. Just because gravity is not present doesn't mean inertia isn't

Pretty much yeah. Caldari is the noob race lol. However shields are pretty hard to take down, more or less. Forge guns and flux grenades are the only thing that get you while forges, swarms, av nades and maybe even a Mass Driver can take armor tankers down. HTFU or CHANGE RACE

Because its the Gallente warfighting doctrine?

Hit Fast Hit Hard and Don't get HIt.

High Damage
Short Range
Tough enough to Get in Range and Fast enough to get back out of Range
Diverts attention away from self when possible.

Caldari are much more to the dot, highly disciplined and take things in stalwart reserved manner as to NOT get suckered in by the Gallente to getting over exposed and cut off. Entrenched in Cadence, High professionalism, and High Tech.

nice little lie that all the lore freaks are trying to stick to but the point it is an epic failures as is its not true, it was made to balance the HAVs; that is why it ONLY effect HAVs and none of the other vehicles or dropsuits. LAVs both same base speed, dropships, you know the things closest to EVE same speeds! assault&basic medium frames-same speed, logis same speed.

STOP USING THIS LIE


the truth is its a mechanic to nerf caldari tanks and buff gallente tanks, nothing less nothing more, there is no lore or science behind it just balancing mechanics.

Cough,,, if you wanted a slow armor tanking vehicle you should look to the amarr. Also Minmatar are your fast shield tankers and basically the shield's version of the Gallente.

nice little lie that all the lore freaks are trying to stick to but the point it is an epic failures as is its not true, it was made to balance the HAVs; that is why it ONLY effect HAVs and none of the other vehicles or dropsuits. LAVs both same base speed, dropships, you know the things closest to EVE same speeds! assault&basic medium frames-same speed, logis same speed.

STOP USING THIS LIE


the truth is its a mechanic to nerf caldari tanks and buff gallente tanks, nothing less nothing more, there is no lore or science behind it just balancing mechanics.

It's true. Caldari are the "snipers" and the EWAR people (notice how their main turrets are Railguns, and Missiles), and Gallente are the get in, hit as hard as you can, get out, and scanning people (although in some instances, Amarr is superior for scanning). Why is it like this? well, for one, Gallente uses Armor, which actually slows them down. Usually, I would just say use armor Hardeners, but since CCP decided to derp out and not add in capacitors, as well as make Hardeners... well not even close to EVE's hardeners (they seem to have done this with all the resistance modules. Kinda annoying if you ask me) then we have to buffer tank and put on a plate or two mixed wit hardeners, but that's stupid, as we can't get max resistance, nor can we get a high buffer, and that buffer if you're meant to go sorta fast, kills it for you. At a 120mm plate, you now accelerate as fast as a Caldari HAV, but have less handling. Past it, and you go even slower.So yes, Look at everything before you post...........


Peace, Aizen