Why do whiners always forget the massive damage advantage Shield HAV's enjoy (lows can be filled with damage mods, Armour tanks can't really sacrifice their low slots) when whining about the differences between the HAV's?

Because Armor slows you down and shield doesen't.

And Gallente HAV's don't have PG problems?

Having to use loads of fitting mods to fit all proto guns and HP mods, really, do you expect any different??

It's the same for Armour tanks.

again as i said i did not start this thread to discuss pg issues i started this thread to discuss speed my tank fittings are adjusted to uprising and i know what you can and cannot do with a madrugar

It actually does, but shields are more resilient than armor, and caldari being range based they don't value speed

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

*shrugs*

I don't know, I know I wish shields were a bit more nimble, maybe a faster turn speed and such, but It's not a massive issue to me, I do feel we need to work on the pros and cons a lot more with Shields vs Armor, Shield Tanks have quite a slow passive regen making that a non viable solution, also Armor Tanks are just as good as Shield Tanks when it comes to railgun snipers, and with their heavy armor reps they can get back into sniping position before my shields are ready.

Then again.. just yesterday I ambushed three Madrugars with a LLAV as back up in my Shield Tank and won (Killing the final just as I overheated hehe). We may not be as fast anymore, but with the bonuses to Missiles the Falchion gives us, that's where our advantage is, long range missile sniping.

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

+1 This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

I've spent over 100 million ISK on shield tanks in this build. I've experimented with just about every fitting you can think of but nothing seems to work. Now i'm forced to use militia dropsuits because shield tanking just isn't worth it anymore.

far more ppl carry AV than flux and do flux grenades destroy your tank? nope they just soften it for something else to destroy

a single guy with AV grenades can destroy an armor tank a single guy with flux would need another form of AV to actually destroy a shield tank


in all honesty rather than nerf something on armor tanks they should buff something for the shielders for example better natural shield regen for you guys my old tank's shields never bothered me when i was a caldari tanker it was the weaker repper that bothered me it was quite a bit weaker than armor reppers and the natural shield regen didnt really make up for it unless i wasted lots of valuable time hiding to let the natural regen work its magic

If you just look at the variants which would you think is faster? the sleek sharp one(Gallente) or the slightly bulkier more armored one(Caldari).

I would like to see differences with Acceleration and Top Speed tbh, Shields having faster acceleration (Lightweight) whereas Armor Tanks having a higher Top Speed (I was never good at physics, sue me ;) But being heavier "could" help increasing speed? :D )

This means the whilst the Gallente Tank is faster overall, the Caldari one becomes more nimble, giving them an advantage in built up areas but losing when travelling over distance.

Just a thought.

the aerodynamics make the tank frame faster the 6k armor on the other hand does infact weigh it down (25% speed reduction) but think about what kinda engine it would actually take to move either tank almost as fast as an LAV with that kinda power on the motor i could see it having only a slight problem dragging around all that extra armor

well in a tank's case only the weight and aerodynamics matter tanks dont have inflated wheels to factor in they have solid tracks which arent going to deform and add resistance

so u have the armor which is going to slow down the tank and aerodynamics which is going to reduce the air resistance

besides how do we know that gallente doesnt use stronger motors since they do prefer their mobility not all vehicles were created equil which is often the case in real life and games

mort is a woman and yes she is right.

since everyone keeps bringing up gravity guess u should also know that there is very little matter in space so aerodynamics are also irrelevant for the ships
exactly so using eve spaceships to explain or compare the dust differences between gallente havs and caldari havs is stupid. factors that do not matter at all in eve matter in dust. the fact that gallente ships are fast in eve can only b due to the thrusting ability as neither weight nor air friction exist in space so stop using space ships to explain tanks they are two completely different things with completely different environmental factors. im not gunna read up and see who kept pissing me off trying to explain ground vehicles with space vehicles cause my eyes hurt but at least we all agree we cannot explain the differences between caldari and gallente havs by using eve ships.

the only thing that would really matter would be the strength of the ship's thrusters which would go to say gallente uses stronger ones which if it carried over to their ground vehicles would mean their tanks use stronger engines than the other races aside from maybe the minmatars

I don't play EVE nor do I like playing eve. and btw armor tanks still accelerate faster then shield tanks so go bugger off. the handling for turns is the same as well so that too holds no value. so armor has more DPS, more HP more regained from repairers then booster and faster. what does shield HAVs have resistant to av nades and swarm launcher but armor HAV resistant to plasma cannon and flux nades so shield just has nothing going for it but it forces different type of AV weapons which can be said of armor too. armor has it all with no down sides, that has to change.

Caldari combat doctrine: "We will kill you from the other side of the solar system, we don't need speed"
Gallente combat doctrine: "I Will Melt Ya Face With Ma BLAZTERS BWHAHAAHA"

IMO caldari/gallente havs needs skill bonuses to work correctly.
Something like:
Caldari Hav skill bonus: 5% range to large turrets
Gallente Hav skill bonus: 2% to blaster damage or 5% to armor repair rep amount

Something to give racial flavour to the tanks.

EDIT: I really love the "facemelting" approach, unfurtunately it gets you killed a lot. Stopped playing eve because was tired of risk-averse kiters. DEATH OR GLORY, like a true man.

then they should make the madrugars only capable of fitting blaster and the caldari only capable of fitting av weapons make the large slot weapon specific instead instead of trying to get us to conform to random barriers by stealth nerfing the things that make variety possible

gallente armor is made of carbonfiber and therefore faster than the caldari

Ninja'd before I could post.

Hey hey hey, don't generalize CRONOS xD

I have both now and I think CCP should stop "racial traits" BS and give gunloggi its speed back. I'm an armor tanker but tried gunloggi with missiles in this build.

Correct me if I am wrong, but won't there be capacitors added in SOONtm? I believe one advantage from that is that missiles (Caldari Weapon) use almost none, whereas blasters use a lot. With the advantage of having more capacitor available, Caldari would be able to use active modules more. But SOONtm usually isn't soon, so it is true that the tanks are incredibly unbalanced as is.

Also, since it was a pet peeve I had reading posts, increased mass still affects acceleration in space. Just because gravity is not present doesn't mean inertia isn't