the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

*shrugs*

I don't know, I know I wish shields were a bit more nimble, maybe a faster turn speed and such, but It's not a massive issue to me, I do feel we need to work on the pros and cons a lot more with Shields vs Armor, Shield Tanks have quite a slow passive regen making that a non viable solution, also Armor Tanks are just as good as Shield Tanks when it comes to railgun snipers, and with their heavy armor reps they can get back into sniping position before my shields are ready.

Then again.. just yesterday I ambushed three Madrugars with a LLAV as back up in my Shield Tank and won (Killing the final just as I overheated hehe). We may not be as fast anymore, but with the bonuses to Missiles the Falchion gives us, that's where our advantage is, long range missile sniping.

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

the current modules are meant to be used on an Amarr HAV so yes and btw do flux hurt you that much, no so sshh I can't have shield after 3 flux nades so booster shield extenders? NO. they just need to stop trying to fix the game off of old data which said that swarm launchers did the most to HAVs and av nades did the most to HAVs, why because they have been more Armor HAVs and the plasma cannon was not there so there was a missing balance to swarms

they should change the speeds back but if they want to go off of this crazy idea that gallente get a fractional bonus in speed then they have to take a fractional penalty somewhere and I rather they did not do that.

+1 This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

I've spent over 100 million ISK on shield tanks in this build. I've experimented with just about every fitting you can think of but nothing seems to work. Now i'm forced to use militia dropsuits because shield tanking just isn't worth it anymore.

far more ppl carry AV than flux and do flux grenades destroy your tank? nope they just soften it for something else to destroy

a single guy with AV grenades can destroy an armor tank a single guy with flux would need another form of AV to actually destroy a shield tank


in all honesty rather than nerf something on armor tanks they should buff something for the shielders for example better natural shield regen for you guys my old tank's shields never bothered me when i was a caldari tanker it was the weaker repper that bothered me it was quite a bit weaker than armor reppers and the natural shield regen didnt really make up for it unless i wasted lots of valuable time hiding to let the natural regen work its magic

i agree with our advantages being in long range missile sniping ..actually i have to say that is our only advantage
no there is no point in dropping regen module why so you can ap 19% to 22hps so 4.6 hp per second difference scoff worthless
missiles the only turrent enhancment that effects them rotation speed and fmg mods ...jason your a tanker i repect so serious convo about missiles ive unlocked all turrents. proto accels seem just what they should be ...and proto fargs as well.....maybe a slight widening of the radius...but idc about the radius as it doesnt effect me. cycled .....ok in my ex with missile rate of fire sucks and enhanceing the rate of fire for missiles only speeds up the rate the missiles leave the gun NOT THE FIRE INTERVAL ...i FEEL like rof is a useless concept applyed to missiles i think the cycled bonus for doing less dmg shouldnt be that they are hard as **** to hit with but that the fire interval should be shorter. also explain why amor on a planet which HAS GRAVITY moves faster than shield which is an electric field an has no mass to weigh it down. i am upset because a madrugar can out run a caldari when it shouldnt people keep telling me ohhhh BUT SPACE SHIPs IN EVE ......space has no gravity you can get away with speed differences despite weight because in space there is no concept of weight

If you just look at the variants which would you think is faster? the sleek sharp one(Gallente) or the slightly bulkier more armored one(Caldari).

I would like to see differences with Acceleration and Top Speed tbh, Shields having faster acceleration (Lightweight) whereas Armor Tanks having a higher Top Speed (I was never good at physics, sue me ;) But being heavier "could" help increasing speed? :D )

This means the whilst the Gallente Tank is faster overall, the Caldari one becomes more nimble, giving them an advantage in built up areas but losing when travelling over distance.

Just a thought.

so are gallente suits faster than caldari suits ...no you say ...why? ..you ask because they are armor based AND ARMOR IS FREAKING HEAVY furthermore ccp picking up a keyboard should not add a jovian to all vehicles i am a sony girl i use controlles stop giving acceleration edge to keyboard i hate using this thing but if i dont im the slowest moving tank and while earlier after uprising i can be found saying u fixed this i was wrong you fixed the turrent with the mouse but not the acceleration using W.S.A.D keys. and just becuase i know some keyboard tanker is gunna go ohh but our equip wheel is all ****** up i know it is and it should be fixed.

the aerodynamics make the tank frame faster the 6k armor on the other hand does infact weigh it down (25% speed reduction) but think about what kinda engine it would actually take to move either tank almost as fast as an LAV with that kinda power on the motor i could see it having only a slight problem dragging around all that extra armor

well in a tank's case only the weight and aerodynamics matter tanks dont have inflated wheels to factor in they have solid tracks which arent going to deform and add resistance

so u have the armor which is going to slow down the tank and aerodynamics which is going to reduce the air resistance

besides how do we know that gallente doesnt use stronger motors since they do prefer their mobility not all vehicles were created equil which is often the case in real life and games

its true all things are not made equal ..and the tire part obviously we have tracks...but that doesnt negate the fact thatt madrugars move faster deal more damage and take more damage than caldari's not only those factors either madrugars have better reppers2
more hp faster more resistances more damage more healing abilities ....tell me something what aspect do caldari tanks have that madrugars dont that better than what madrugars have. and dont say they have a regen pn our main hp we have already established thats worthlessness

so basically ALL of you EVE bois are saying that gallente are low buffer high regen focused toward armor with a speed bonus but the only place this carries over is HAVs but they have largest buffer now? bs if you give them a bonus somewhere you need to balance it out somewhere and I say just reduce the armor slightly and reduce the amount of HP added with plates by 30% because they are not the massive buffer race that's Amarr. and if you setup a bonus in EVE that doesn't need to be added to dust because ship are not the same HAVs. and I want to point out that you(CCP) clearly already stated that in dust gallente have =speed as caldari and the minmatar are the ones with the speed bonus so you are breaking both dust and EVE traits and insulting us shield HAVs.

The higher base spees is to compensate the lower acceleration and worse handling of plated Havs. While gallente havs get a great buffer, caldari wins in short skirmishes because of the ability to burst tank better and room for a higher dps when you don't overfit. Any idiot could tell you gallente are the speed based armor tankers because in Eve they have to brawl, and you could easily see the speed distribution looking at the Ares, malediction,, raptor, and stiletto. Which are the fastest ships of each race.

+1 This guy knows exactly what he's talking about.

I've spent over 100 million ISK on shield tanks in this build. I've experimented with just about every fitting you can think of but nothing seems to work. Now i'm forced to use militia dropsuits because shield tanking just isn't worth it anymore.

mort is a woman and yes she is right.

tehe yeah i ama girl ...and yeah i am right and to you who wants to use eve to explain why gallente is faster than caldari EVE IS SPACE 0 GRAVITY MEAN WEIGHT DOES NOT EFFECT SPEED GALLENTE BEING SPEED IN DUST IS COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC. you cannot use spaceships as an example to explain speed differences on land craft as there are different factors to consider LIKE GRAVITY

since everyone keeps bringing up gravity guess u should also know that there is very little matter in space so aerodynamics are also irrelevant for the ships
exactly so using eve spaceships to explain or compare the dust differences between gallente havs and caldari havs is stupid. factors that do not matter at all in eve matter in dust. the fact that gallente ships are fast in eve can only b due to the thrusting ability as neither weight nor air friction exist in space so stop using space ships to explain tanks they are two completely different things with completely different environmental factors. im not gunna read up and see who kept pissing me off trying to explain ground vehicles with space vehicles cause my eyes hurt but at least we all agree we cannot explain the differences between caldari and gallente havs by using eve ships.

the only thing that would really matter would be the strength of the ship's thrusters which would go to say gallente uses stronger ones which if it carried over to their ground vehicles would mean their tanks use stronger engines than the other races aside from maybe the minmatars

The higher base spees is to compensate the lower acceleration and worse handling of plated Havs. While gallente havs get a great buffer, caldari wins in short skirmishes because of the ability to burst tank better and room for a higher dps when you don't overfit. Any idiot could tell you gallente are the speed based armor tankers because in Eve they have to brawl, and you could easily see the speed distribution looking at the Ares, malediction,, raptor, and stiletto. Which are the fastest ships of each race.

I don't play EVE nor do I like playing eve. and btw armor tanks still accelerate faster then shield tanks so go bugger off. the handling for turns is the same as well so that too holds no value. so armor has more DPS, more HP more regained from repairers then booster and faster. what does shield HAVs have resistant to av nades and swarm launcher but armor HAV resistant to plasma cannon and flux nades so shield just has nothing going for it but it forces different type of AV weapons which can be said of armor too. armor has it all with no down sides, that has to change.