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Vermaak Doe
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:43:00 -
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Gallente has always been faster, look at the megathron vs raven changes. |
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:49:00 -
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Proto weapon + standard hull = overfitting |
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Posted - 2013.05.17 14:55:00 -
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It actually does, but shields are more resilient than armor, and caldari being range based they don't value speed |
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Posted - 2013.05.17 15:46:00 -
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ImpureMort wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:It actually does, but shields are more resilient than armor, and caldari being range based they don't value speed clearly your not a caldari tanker as any caldari hav driver you ask will tell you originally the attraction to caldari was speed
You obviously can't distinguish racial traits since minmatar are the go to speed guys and caldari are the durable ones |
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Posted - 2013.05.17 19:42:00 -
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ladwar wrote:so basically ALL of you EVE bois are saying that gallente are low buffer high regen focused toward armor with a speed bonus but the only place this carries over is HAVs but they have largest buffer now? bs if you give them a bonus somewhere you need to balance it out somewhere and I say just reduce the armor slightly and reduce the amount of HP added with plates by 30% because they are not the massive buffer race that's Amarr. and if you setup a bonus in EVE that doesn't need to be added to dust because ship are not the same HAVs. and I want to point out that you(CCP) clearly already stated that in dust gallente have =speed as caldari and the minmatar are the ones with the speed bonus so you are breaking both dust and EVE traits and insulting us shield HAVs.
The higher base spees is to compensate the lower acceleration and worse handling of plated Havs. While gallente havs get a great buffer, caldari wins in short skirmishes because of the ability to burst tank better and room for a higher dps when you don't overfit. Any idiot could tell you gallente are the speed based armor tankers because in Eve they have to brawl, and you could easily see the speed distribution looking at the Ares, malediction,, raptor, and stiletto. Which are the fastest ships of each race. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 00:29:00 -
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Why do the BS threads survive the longest? |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 00:39:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Why do the BS threads survive the longest? ass
Call me whatever you want but CCP changed the speeds for a reason, not only did armor accelerate slower before plates they also had a slower max speed with a similar if not lower hp. This is how it's meant to be, which is why in Eve (not a direct comparison of mechanics but it sets how races are balanced) every gallente ship is faster than it's caldari counterpart. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 01:21:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Why do the BS threads survive the longest? ass Call me whatever you want but CCP changed the speeds for a reason, not only did armor accelerate slower before plates they also had a slower max speed with a similar if not lower hp. This is how it's meant to be, which is why in Eve (not a direct comparison of mechanics but it sets how races are balanced) every gallente ship is faster than it's caldari counterpart. and ill say this again in eve your in space with 0 gravity where 6 ton armor plates weigh nothing at all but ona planet with gravity weight effects speed idc why they did it that combined with starving tankers of pg to force caldari hav user to specialize in they're ****** missiles has ruined the entire specialization.
Are you so daft I have to repeat myself? It does affect speed in Eve otherwise everything would go the same speed. It's not starving, it's you overfitting without a decent amount of skills in fitting. If you haven't noticed it's easy to fit railguns and missiles on a shield tank but hard to fit blasters and vice versa for armor because those weapons are meant for shield tanks, being cpu intensive unlike blasters which are pg intensive. Missiles aren't **** at all, they wreck blasters at a range and rails up close. And I know plenty who use missiles only. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 02:00:00 -
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You're b*tching about me insulting you yet you calles me an ass? Missiles aren't s*** at all you're probably to stupid to aim them. You didn't even actually say anything about the speed comparisons, are you really that idiotic. If it wasn't mean to be in comparison to Eve, both caldari and gallente tanks could easily armor tank with a similar hp. I would call you a ****** but even the mentally handicapped make more sense than you. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:31:00 -
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BulletSnitcheZ wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:You're b*tching about me insulting you yet you calles me an ass? Missiles aren't s*** at all you're probably to stupid to aim them. You didn't even actually say anything about the speed comparisons, are you really that idiotic. If it wasn't mean to be in comparison to Eve, both caldari and gallente tanks could easily armor tank with a similar hp. I would call you a ****** but even the mentally handicapped make more sense than you. Missiles Turrets are very unreliable and ineffective, you'd be ignorant to think they're completely fine as they are right now . When you're using missile turrets, you never know if you're going to get a kill or not. When i point my blaster turret at someone, i KNOW i'm going to hit them.
I haven't personally tried large missile turrets but with smalls, I tend to get more kills with missiles than blasters. No missile tank pilot I know has any complaints about large missiles and at most by the second volley their target is downwhich is quite a bit more reliable than large rails, however I don't think they should match blasters in close range purely because of how much farther they can reach. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 15:36:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:ImpureMort wrote:ccp why have you made armor faster than shield They didn't. Fastest to Slowest: Minmatar - Shield, Fastest Gallente - Armor, Fast Caldari - Shield, Tanky Amarr - Armor, Tankiest (In Dust, they are broken. OmniTank? Dafuq?) In general, armor tankers are slower than shield tankers. If ALL armor tankers were slower than ALL shield tankers, that would just be unbalanced. All armor tankers would be forced into being slow and brutish. dropsuits caldari and gallente same speeds, LAVs same speed, dropship, same speed. so where is your point showing up?
In my opinion it not only resembles Eve closer (the condor and atron, both fast frigates have similar speed while the raven and megathron have a larger gap) it makes a larger difference with Havs in my opinion or it could be in the process of being changed. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 16:29:00 -
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BulletSnitcheZ wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:
I haven't personally tried large missile turrets but with smalls, I tend to get more kills with missiles than blasters. No missile tank pilot I know has any complaints about large missiles and at most by the second volley their target is downwhich is quite a bit more reliable than large rails, however I don't think they should match blasters in close range purely because of how much farther they can reach.
Believe me, they're very inconsistent. You have to try it for yourself to really understand what i'm talking about. Like i said before, missile turrets are unreliable from ALL ranges. The fire interval on missile is so slow that armor tanks can run to safety before i can even knock their shields down. Long-range tactics do NOT work with missile turrets. Since I've made the switch to blaster turrets on my Gunloggi, i'm getting a lot more kills and i die a lot less often too.
The way I've seen them used is very similar to blasters but with better sustained fire, more range, and more single shot damage. Even though I didn't plan on it I may train an alt into missile tanks. I see missiles as a bit like rockets in Eve, dumb fire with decent damage and quick travel but trades damage for range in comparison to blasters. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 17:56:00 -
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They're not even better in those ways, caldari has plenty of damage mod room, higher resists, passive regeneration, and handling. Just because gallente is more pg oriented that doesn't make it better. And where did I say they all habe the same speed? It just becomes more noticeable in larger subcaps. |
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Posted - 2013.05.19 19:03:00 -
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Damage mods in low slots on a gallente tank = sh*t fit ohk by a forge gun. Shield hardeners don't last as long but give higher resists than armor, so none of your points have are remotely accurate off paper. Also, that tiny recharge is better than being SOL in a pure buffer armor tank. |
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:11:00 -
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low genius wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:ImpureMort wrote:ccp why have you made armor faster than shield you took away the only advantage caldari tanks had. and tanks no longer make sense it makes 0 sense that armor moves faster than shield the only advatage gone. maddy now trump gunlogi's in every way they are faster have more hp the wep that is effective vs them was nerfer swarm,and they can go under hardeners for a full minute while we get 10 secs Not that Dust has always followed EVE lore, but in EVE Gallante ships are medium armor, high armor regen, and second fastest ships in New Eden. I believe this is where the speed order came from my maulus cruises at 4202 m/s. that's pretty respectable for gallente.
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:12:00 -
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Regardless of time you still have a higher level of resistance. |
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Posted - 2013.05.20 01:56:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Vermaak Doe wrote:Regardless of time you still have a higher level of resistance. may which ever god(s) have mercy on your soul as your time must be short with that level of intelligence.
I'd ask the same for you, but you're a lost cause. |
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