so plates should be weaker and give a speed penalty on top of that? that would make plates worthless and would make the tank ment for the frontlines that much weaker...... even with the gallente tank being faster its still slow accelerating and being even weaker than it currently is would just make it free points points for all the AV nades....

before the hp buff my madrugar couldnt even survive 3 hacked EX-0 AV grenades with base shields full 4.7k armor and 26% damage resistance im not sure how well it would survive it now since i tend to try gunning players down from a distance now and players arent using as many of their hacked EX-0 even tho i know tons of players stocked up by the 1000s

we should all quit crying for the other race's vehicles to get nerfed and instead focus on trying to get CCP to buff them to where they are worth the crazy high pricetags they come with

The higher base spees is to compensate the lower acceleration and worse handling of plated Havs. While gallente havs get a great buffer, caldari wins in short skirmishes because of the ability to burst tank better and room for a higher dps when you don't overfit. Any idiot could tell you gallente are the speed based armor tankers because in Eve they have to brawl, and you could easily see the speed distribution looking at the Ares, malediction,, raptor, and stiletto. Which are the fastest ships of each race.

pretty sure plasma launcher is actually hybrid like the rail's and forge's and while fluxes are dangerous to caldari tanks they arent as common on the battlefield cant home in on tanks and cant actually destroy anything other than the shields itsself

while caldari DPS is lower(when using the caldari turrets) they have much greater range and allow caldari to engage at much further distances keeping them out of harms way which if used to your advantage allows u guys to outdo gallente blaster tanks by crippling them before they can get into range to counter

i think CCP needs to push players more towards the role the vehicles were designed for by increasing the CPU and decreasing the PG of caldari vehicles and adjusting the modules that best suit them accordingly so that u see less caldari blaster tanks and gallente rail/missile tanks as well as buffing caldari vehicle shield regen to help balance the difference between their reppers

i know last build i was able to go over the gunlogi's max CPU using no proto turrets with lv3 circuitry

Y'all clearly don't understand the complexities of space physics.

i think CCP needs to push players more towards the role the vehicles were designed for by increasing the CPU and decreasing the PG of caldari vehicles and adjusting the modules that best suit them accordingly so that u see less caldari blaster tanks and gallente rail/missile tanks as well as buffing caldari vehicle shield regen to help balance the difference between their reppers

No, Caldari Enforcer HAVs don't get a bonus to range, they get a bonus to zoom.

It's extremely difficult to hit anything with missile turrets from ANY range. Splash damage on missiles are a joke, even a militia dropsuit can survive 3 - 4 volleys from my prototype missile turrets. I have to constantly rely on direct damage to get kills, especially when infantry targets are hiding behind objects. If you're using missile turrets, you better cross your fingers and pray that you'll hit something.

The DPS on Missile turrets are also extremely poor, that's why Blaster tanks always kill missile tanks in mid-close range engagements.

splash sucks ass and needs to be fixed. Anyways, if you read the des., enforcer skills clearly give bonuses towards range.

They didn't.

Fastest to Slowest:

Minmatar - Shield, Fastest
Gallente - Armor, Fast
Caldari - Shield, Tanky
Amarr - Armor, Tankiest (In Dust, they are broken. OmniTank? Dafuq?)

In general, armor tankers are slower than shield tankers. If ALL armor tankers were slower than ALL shield tankers, that would just be unbalanced. All armor tankers would be forced into being slow and brutish.

In my opinion it not only resembles Eve closer (the condor and atron, both fast frigates have similar speed while the raven and megathron have a larger gap) it makes a larger difference with Havs in my opinion or it could be in the process of being changed.

They're not even better in those ways, caldari has plenty of damage mod room, higher resists, passive regeneration, and handling. Just because gallente is more pg oriented that doesn't make it better. And where did I say they all habe the same speed? It just becomes more noticeable in larger subcaps.

Stacking penalties. That is all.

Damage mods in low slots on a gallente tank = sh*t fit ohk by a forge gun. Shield hardeners don't last as long but give higher resists than armor, so none of your points have are remotely accurate off paper. Also, that tiny recharge is better than being SOL in a pure buffer armor tank.

I don't think you understand how stacking penalties work...

the gallente tank is ment for close range engagements where escape isnt going to be quick and easy they get the longer hardeners because of this

the caldari tank is ment to fight at a range where escape is far easier and the hardeners are only ment to last till u get behind your cover

caldari enforcers gets a ZOOM AND damage boost to missiles which are strong against armor HAVs ONLY

I have to +1 this. As an armor tanker, you don't actually feel safe until you have at 5000+ armor, some (read: 25%) resistance, and a heavy repper. I've dabbled with damage mods, and it's not worth it.

The problem is that there isn't an option for shield tanks to become shield tanks. Also, as the entire thread is supposed to be about, the fact that shield tanks have lost their speed which gave a slight edge in the whole "escape so you can regenerate" thing.

how about instead of falsely correcting me u actually read the skill

ill quote it right now straight from the game

"Unlocks the ability to use Caldary Enforcer HAVs. +3% to missile DAMAGE and RANGE per level. +2% to maximum ZOOM per level."

it does all 3

if u cant hit anything past 100 meters with the missiles thats your problem not the game's

i was able to get them to hit dropships out of the sky when tanks couldnt even aim up all u have to do is lead your shot and let them drive into the missiles.....

u correcting me with false info then contradicting yourself is "a shame on you not me"

Regardless of time you still have a higher level of resistance.

He is infinitely more intelligent than you.

What, with your belief that five damage modifiers is superior to two despite the amount of tank you lose, and your belief that time actually matters when it comes to hardeners. Many HAV brawls end fairly quickly, and having 10 seconds of high resistance can be far more useful than 30 seconds of medium resistance.

Meaningless assumptions.


Wouldn't the same be true for those who used armor hardeners?

Bro, don't even. I just joined for the lulz. I've never even squaded up with them let alone talked to them.

I am sorry, but you Gunnlogi drivers are pretty misinformed, and it is kind of blowing my mind.

Stats are as follows:

Madruger Base Speed = 93.75km/h

60mm Armor Plates (10% base speed reduction) = 93.75 - 9.375 = 84.375 km/h
120mm Armor Plates (18% base speed reduction) = 93.75 - 16.875 = 76.875 km/h
180mm Armor Plates (25% base speed reduction) = 93.75 - 23.4375 = 70.3125 km/h

Gunnlogi Base Speed =78.75 km/h
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Because its the Gallente warfighting doctrine?

Hit Fast Hit Hard and Don't get HIt.

High Damage
Short Range
Tough enough to Get in Range and Fast enough to get back out of Range
Diverts attention away from self when possible.

Caldari are much more to the dot, highly disciplined and take things in stalwart reserved manner as to NOT get suckered in by the Gallente to getting over exposed and cut off. Entrenched in Cadence, High professionalism, and High Tech.

Cough,,, if you wanted a slow armor tanking vehicle you should look to the amarr. Also Minmatar are your fast shield tankers and basically the shield's version of the Gallente.

It's true. Caldari are the "snipers" and the EWAR people (notice how their main turrets are Railguns, and Missiles), and Gallente are the get in, hit as hard as you can, get out, and scanning people (although in some instances, Amarr is superior for scanning). Why is it like this? well, for one, Gallente uses Armor, which actually slows them down. Usually, I would just say use armor Hardeners, but since CCP decided to derp out and not add in capacitors, as well as make Hardeners... well not even close to EVE's hardeners (they seem to have done this with all the resistance modules. Kinda annoying if you ask me) then we have to buffer tank and put on a plate or two mixed wit hardeners, but that's stupid, as we can't get max resistance, nor can we get a high buffer, and that buffer if you're meant to go sorta fast, kills it for you. At a 120mm plate, you now accelerate as fast as a Caldari HAV, but have less handling. Past it, and you go even slower.So yes, Look at everything before you post...........


Peace, Aizen