5% per level to overheat would be nice. A 0.5 second reduction to a 2 second charge time isn't really that useful even for the charge variant.

That's about all though.

Not the only thread about this I guess. A heat build-up reduction skill would be great though.

The more I use the carthum assault variant... I feel like a 5% reduction to kick would really help, esp since the duvolle, at ARO5 feels like it has no kick compared to the carthum.

Charge time redux on semi auto and kick redux on auto variants... would really help.

Is it more "kick" or dispersion? I feel like the assault scramblers really toss shots all over in comparison to ARs.

The assault variant has a ton of dispersion too, but try to hold the assault SCR in one spot while firing... I've realized it's got a tn of kick, about as much as I had with ARO 0 and the exile.

I also support that we need a SCR sharpshooter skill too, otherwise AR will always be better, ESP with its higher optimal range.

I would've expected a "laser" weapon to be more accurate/longer range than a plasma to begin with. I dunno. I figured trying to get a topic to have them address the passive only impacting one variant was a cut and dry "Fix this" sort of premise - like the Flaylock Optimization skill reducing PG when Flaylocks aren't supposed to require any PG. If it seems like a straight problem, surely they'll address it, right?

I realize the "balance" arguments that get into range and dispersion attract more.. diverse opinions. I'd like it to have more range, a skill that reduces overheating, and less ridiculous dispersion. I'd hoped that a topic focused on what seems to be an obvious flaw would get that fixed if nothing else.

Fix it!

This is why the bonus should be per level and list ON THE WEAPON, so the same skill can boost different weapons differently.

I'd prefer heat, as that's stuck as an Amarr-specific trait at the moment, which seems limiting. I'd prefer a separate sharpshooter skill for dispersion.

I agree on seperate skill for dispersion and kick.

I can't decide which I think would be better for the SR: heat build-up reduction or increased cooldown speed, but I'm leaning towards decreased heat build-up. I KNOW heat build-up reduction would best for the LR, instead of its current increased cooldown speed, but that's for another thread.

The tree edits today were pretty big, curious what else is in the pipe.

Is it more "kick" or dispersion? I feel like the assault scramblers really toss shots all over in comparison to ARs.

I mentioned this in another thread, but when last I checked, Pulse Lasers had better range than Blasters by about a 4:1 ratio. So, not even in the same class.

I think a range increasing skill would bother people more than a heat build-up reducing skill, as even with heat build-up on the Amarr Assault, the gun still overheats quickly.

I'm not against the idea of a separate new sharpshooter skill to rein in dispersion on the scrambler though.

+1 For the overheat skill. The range comparison is EVE? How similar are the types supposed to be across games?

Unfortunately if we were to be closer to EVE in terms of weapon mechanics, all rapid-fire blasters (like the AR) would have to be SMGs.

You could get more range by putting in a different ammo type, but we don't have those on the ground yet.

Unfortunately if we were to be closer to EVE in terms of weapon mechanics, all rapid-fire blasters (like the AR) would have to be SMGs.

You could get more range by putting in a different ammo type, but we don't have those on the ground yet.

There's supposed to be a "Mag-sec SMG" if it matters.

i've looked at the skills ,and tested it before my respec hit. the skill is dead useless to thsoe that prefer the Assault variant.

the whole lack of charge is why it is, since the skill reduces charge time only, and nothing else. when a skill like this comes into play, it's saying "hey, you should only be using this type of weapon, even though we have other variants" and we already have a monster like that fielded by players every day, the Tac AR.

the reduction on charge time is nice, but id rather see something closer to mroe heat capacity in the guns, that would make some variance more useful

+1 For the overheat skill. The range comparison is EVE? How similar are the types supposed to be across games?

In this case not similar. The "blaster" is much better attributed to the shotgun. High power, very low range. Just devastating damage potential that screams "Just you wait until I get into range!"

The Assault Rifle just expands on Gallente Plasma tech to round out our arsenal with a long(er) range option than our other equipment. We can also just as effectively use Railgun tech by the Caldari due to the hybrid design of the weapons, though. You can think of the Gallente Plasma AR as a 425mm Railgun II that is using Antimatter charges or Javelin charges (both greatly reduce the weapons optimal range but increase its damage) whereas the upcoming Caldari Rail Rifle would be a 425mm using Uranium, or Lead charges (lowered damage values but benefit with increased range)

As the title suggests, the Scrambler rifle uniquely has a passive that when maxed will do exactly jack-squat for a subset of the weapon types. Assault scrambler rifles have no charge feature, the passive only affects charge time - ergo, the scrambler passive inflicts the unique role on the SR of having a passive skill that provides no benefit.

Consider fixing this? Overheat reduction? Something actually useful to Scrambler users?

I'm a big Imperial SR fan and I totally agree with this statement

There is not really a situation that even calls for a -.5s reduction in charge time. Whenever I charge the rifle, I make sure I have tons of time to line a shot up anyway. I'm never in the middle of a CQC fight and try to charge it.

We'll be making some adjustments to the rifle ranges in the near future. We're currently testing the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle internally (the two missing archetypes). Within the assault rifle class the four weapon types will break down as follows:

Assault Rifle (Hybrid - Plasma) - short range
Combat Rifle (Projectile - Autocannon) - short-mid range
Scrambler Rifle (Laser - Pulse) - mid range
Rail Rifle (Hybrid - Railgun) - long range

Keep in mind though that long range for an assault rifle is not equivalent to long range for a sniper rifle, so while they will adhere to existing category definitions don't expect massive differences in the distances between these weapons
A lot of the original assault rifle variants (Breach, Burst, Tactical) were created to fill the gaps these newer weapons will fill and so mightGÇÖve felt out of place (not to mention we just plain made mistakes with some of them). The scrambler rifleGÇÖs optimal range will be increased and weGÇÖll be releasing an iteration of the Tactical Assault Rifle with a smaller clip and much wider hip-fire spread making it less effective in CQC. If that change alone does not prove enough we will walk the damage of the TAR down slowly. No big, sweeping changes this time.

Probably some patches due this week.

Do you know when the next client update will be?

Keeping this on the front page. The passive bonus on the Scrambler Rifle needs to be useful for all Scrambler Rifles.

Is there a list of what each CCP person is responsible for? I would assume this is a Remnant thing.

Uh.. not that I'm aware of.

I guess there are lots of options. Reload time, fire rate, heat build up/cooldown. Tricky to balance though. I haven't used the assault is there any bulletspread?

Hey guys.

Yeah, obviously having this information released in a trailer isn't the best thing in the world. We are working on getting dev blogs out about all the new stuff we'll be releasing in our next patch, which is currently scheduled for early July (we'll have an exact release date ready for you in the near future).

But all numbers are still subject to change and we will of course monitor feedback on these numbers and make tweaks as appropriate.

A skill change can't be hotfixed?

Ive been using scrambler for a while and Id have to say, the reduced charge time really does help in a pinch. It sets up well for ambush shots and following it up with a few more in rapid succession. This got me to thinking, what if we made the operations skills applicable only to the "alpha" versions of assault-type rifles. Thus,

Less kick applies only to the automatic variants of assault rifles
less charge shot time applies only to the semi-auto variant of scramblers
etc for combat rifle
etc for rail rifle

This would accomplish a few things.

1) it implies that the alpha variants should be the best performing rifle in relationship to their variants
2) it would also imply that the extra-racial carbon copies of the alpha rifle should be slightly inferior since they do not receive the ops bonus that the alpha rifles do have (ie. ass-scr does have less kick and tac-ar does not get a charge)

I hope combat rifle ops is 10% ammo in clip per level (starting off with 3 bullets and ending at 5) and the rail rifle ops is 1% per level to range

I also hope combat rifle does 80/120 and rail rifle does 90/110 to shield//armor

It's... considerably more scattershot than an AR. That may be related to the lack of dispersion decreasing skills on the SR, but it wider than even an unskilled AR to me.

I'd heard the heat build-up is per-second instead of per shot. Changing that would probably count as a "nerf" to the S-AR as-is, but it would make a heat build-up passive more sensible. It seems preferable to me to have a separate dispersion (sharpshooter) skill like the AR, since they seemed to establish that already for some of the other fast-firing automatic weapons.

On the subject of "nerfs", if the SR is intended to be a TAR-like weapon, but the "alpha" version that other races copy, then it might make sense to make other changes to the semi-auto version as well.

Heat per shot (as opposed to per second) can control the fire rate already to some degree. The clip size on a standard scrambler is already very generous for a "TAR" equivalent sort of weapon. I rarely find myself reloading except by gameplay reflex. They're already adjusting the range, so you probably don't need to look at that.

Altogether, I'd recommend changing heat build-up to per shot instead of per second. I'd accordingly change the passive to heat build-up reduction, which would appropriate reward people taking it to proto with respect to operation. I'd either reduce the clip-size on a standard, or possibly make charge shots expend more than one ammo.

Building the passive and the gun around the "heat" mechanic would also work for the unreleased variants: breach and burst. Managing heat with burst and breach fire, and becoming "better" at it with higher Scrambler skill would gel well. They have said they intend to release variants of each race for the other races. The "charge" passive wouldn't really work for a burst rifle either, and I'm not sure about using it for Breach... (maybe I guess).

Justice for the empress's weapons takes no breaks.

At first I really disliked the bonus for the SCR, but then after using the rifle more I've noticed just how often it's let me drop somebody from being able to let off that charge shot just fast enough to kill them before they kill me.

I use the charge shot pretty heavily, but another poster did point out that every other weapon skill always has a positive effect for all variants and you also notice the bonus every time you pull the trigger (or there are the clip size increasing skills) giving us a pretty definite pattern.

The scrambler breaks that pattern though. It's passive bonus is only useful when doing charge shots on the basic version of the SCR.

The Assault SCR does not get any help from the passives, nor does the basic version receive any help from the bonus either.

Here is my take on a good change of the skills

1. bring the charge time down to 1.5.

2. change the passive bonus to +65 (maybe lower, no higher) heat capacity. this lets you fire more shots before overheating for all weapon variants and fire modes. I suggest raising the amount of heat it takes to overload the weapon as opposed to slowing the rate of heat build up as that is the Amarr suit bonus and I'd rather have a new skill that does something slightly different.

upping the amount of heat the weapon is able to take would guarantee non-bonused suits would be able to get that third charge shot, but also letting bonused suits (Amarr assault) maybe get a fourth vharge shot or be able to keep firing after the third charge shot.

5% per level to overheat would be nice. A 0.5 second reduction to a 2 second charge time isn't really that useful even for the charge variant.

That's about all though.

DISCLAIMER

[FEEDBACK/BUG?] Scrambler rifle passive does nothing for Assault variant https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77250&find=unread
Update: This is by design for the charged scrambler rifle.

Well, it made this weeks feedback list:



So, the scrambler was designed to have a passive only impacting the semi-auto, and marginally at that.

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So, I guess that's that.

It pissed me off when I first read it, I messaged Wang and Frame on twitter in response.
Seems odd that one racial rifle (Gallente AR) has an operation skill that is useful for it and all its variants, yet the other racial rifle (Amarr SCR) has an operation skill that doesn't do anything for variants; it basically punishes using variants on the SCR.

I dont suppose you got a reply?

I guess "by design for the charged rifle" is sort of the point.... that it ONLY helps the charged rifle. I get the impression they didn't actually read the topic.

The more I use the carthum assault variant... I feel like a 5% reduction to kick would really help, esp since the duvolle, at ARO5 feels like it has no kick compared to the carthum.

Charge time redux on semi auto and kick redux on auto variants... would really help.

it shouldnt have any kick.

I imagine this problem will get even worse when more variants are added. Presumably a "burst" scrambler wouldn't have a charge, and I wouldn't think a breach would either...

Just trying to make the scope of this passive skill actually encompass all the weapons it governs (like every other weapon skill in the game).

If they change the passive skill CCP should also just reduce the base charge time on the scrambler rifle.

A buff to the cool down speed would be kinda cool, though.

My assault scrambler rifle deserves justice

It's worth reiterating that's this is likely to hit other variants as well. A burst rifle having a charge doesn't really make sense, for example. So, it seems like this is extending into ONE variant gets a benefit from the passive, ALL the others do not. It's a big middle finger to Scrambler users.

I dunno... you could conceivably have a charge-able breach rifle with slow semi-auto fire. Though it'd probably make more sense to throttle the firerate and remove the charge.

As it stands, you'd expect Assault, Burst, and Breach all to be lacking a charge function. So it does seem to be an F U specifically to Scrambler users. "You guys don't deserve a passive that works on all your guns... we reserve those for every other weapon user in the game... haha"

Bear in mind, they may be changing the suit passives as well, so Amarr assault might lose its heat bonus in the shuffle (circa 1.3).

The weapon list drives the point home.

Justice for the Amarr.

Hopefully it will be looked at in Uprising 3.

I'd love a cooldown speed bonus

there is one issue with this

there would be no incentive to spec into the amarr assault variant as that at max level already provides you with all the bonuses you need so unless you nerf the suit (and that would make a negative impact) then it will be slightly more harder to rework this skill than simple *reduce heat buildup*

im thinking maybe something like

*reduce the damage heat build up does to you*

Kagehoshi called this thread out in another thread, got another dev reply saying it was by design....

Not changing in 1.3.

SCR skill should definitely be beneficial to each variant.

Still nothing?

I've been away for 2 months and this still isn't fixed? Uh...

In those two months, they dug in their heels and said it was by design.

When does common sense and real world application come into these nerfs? A 10 dollar lazer from Amazon will easily reach SPACE...

Grenades that explode six inches in diameter... shot from a high velocity MD

AV weapons like Swarms that CANT harm tanks with decent SP's.. same with Dropships..

Plasma cannon? how do you introduce a new weapon that doesnt WORK?

Fflaylock.. once again..how to you offer a NEW weapon that doesnt work? wheres the "booom"

Mass Driver.. wheres the explosion? i missed it

Whatever railgun handheldforgotthe name gun... Wont kill any Vehicles

Heavies that can only shoot 15 meters

shotties that have spitting distance range..

Tanks that cant aim up

Snipers that can only shoot 50 yds..

AR's that 1 shot you..

list goes on and on....


Once again when does "real world" common sense play a factor here?

How can you just arbitrarily take all these weapons and just reduce range, accuracy, spread, etc etc.. by say 50% .. its laughable.. you broke the mechanics of the GAME.. please wake up b4 its too late