I completely agree. The slight stat increase that justifies the many lost slots, +the odd suit bonus, the lost pg/cpu, etc. I agree that an increase in pgu/cpu and a low slot makes it fit a little better with the other logis, but only at proto level and therein lies one issue. The extra low slot needs to be made available earlier or the added equipment slot.

The way I see it there are several progression choices - assuming the pg/cpu increases are already in play:

A _______________B____________________C
2/2/2--------------or----------2/2/2-----------------or-------2/2/2 side arm
3/3/3---------------------------3/3/3 side arm--------------3/3/2 side arm
3/4/3 side arm-------------3/4/3 side arm--------------3/4/3 side arm

I think I like C the best. Why? There is a little more balance.
A - gives you everything at proto level - and one should get a bonus each level with the side arm being the reason for this class.

B - gives both the logi bonus of more equipment and the assault bonus of the sidearm at the same time with just a slot bonus for the proto level. Seems like it is too much all at one time.

C - gives the player the initial class defining bonus of the side arm - the Assault bonus right of the bat. It establishes his role as the attack logi with the slight stat boost.
The Advanced level gives just a standard slot increase keeping with the bonuses of other suits but not quite the Logi suits which normally gets an equipment bonus. But being the assault suit it seems appropriate - not that many slot increases - so really nothing special here and keeps the class a bit frustrating as a logi without a 3rd equipment slot but in line with the idea of a Logissault.
Proto Level - gives the final bonuses. A slot increase - not large like other classes as it also has a logi increase in stats and an equipment bonus. The class definition has already been there (the side arm and slowed progression in slot increases) - and he is still middle of the road. A cross class for real.
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The Amarr is the in-between for an Assault/Logi. That being the case it should have a side arm starting out and keep the standard beginning slots and stats. Each level increase increases the pg/cpu as it does with other suits but redefining the role of the Amarr Logi in the beginning allows a progression that is understandable as the cross class suit.

While there may be some hidden power and reason behind the defeated Amarr Logi, we have yet to see it. New planned weapons or other things that I have seen do not seem to justify the future of this suit. As of now there is little draw to this suit. If the bonuses were adjusted - +5% bonus to repair on everything (vehicles you're in, tools one uses, modules used, etc.) then the gimpyness may be justified. As of now it is a broken and sad suit. A little more durable but still sad. We have yet to see the redeeming quality of this class and the question is... will we ever?

The quick fix is a slot increase, quicker sidearm gain or quicker equipment gain, with PG/CPU increases. Something must be done.

I would rather like to see the layout look like this:
hi/low/equipment
standard 2/2/2 + side arm
advanced 2/3/2 + side arm
proto 3/3/3 + side arm
+ a PG/CPU boost

I think 3/3/3/sidearm is good enough at proto, it allows you to choose from a vast amount of different fits which makes it a real good support suit. it is strange that you dont get the major benefit of the amarr logi till proto levels but you already pay for it at advanced level. just give the suit the side arm from the beginning and increase its PG/CPU to be able to fit it.

This thread needs to addressed. Such a broken logi suit. Seriously, no 3rd equipment slot till proto. Come on CCP. What kind of logi is this? Not pleased.

I would rather like to see the layout look like this:
hi/low/equipment
standard 2/2/2 + side arm
advanced 2/3/2 + side arm
proto 3/3/3 + side arm
+ a PG/CPU boost

I think 3/3/3/sidearm is good enough at proto, it allows you to choose from a vast amount of different fits which makes it a real good support suit. it is strange that you dont get the major benefit of the amarr logi till proto levels but you already pay for it at advanced level. just give the suit the side arm from the beginning and increase its PG/CPU to be able to fit it.

It needs its damn 3rd equipment slot at Adv. and some more pg lol. Proto needs more sustenance. Maybe better base stats. Btw, its a lot of points to get to proto logi, shouldn't have to have a PROTO to be an effective LOGI suit.

That 3/3/3 +sidearm setup is NOT good enough - nor is the extra low powered slot...
Where is your(all of you low powered junkies)sense of balance?
The Amarr Proto Logi has been unfairly 'nerfed' & should only have been adjusted to facilitate the sidearm, that is, it should be 4/4/3 +sidearm where it would retain all standard 14slots which a Proto Logi should have & have enough slots for increased SHIELDING which it lacks in...
THINK people... O.O
(I just checked)For some reason they've made all Amarr Protos to have one less slot than the other Protos(Basic, Assault & Logi)... If they must keep up with this, 'tradition', at least give the Amarr Proto Logi a 4th HIGH POWERED slot which is NEEDS...
Just because the Amarr Logi is Amarr, doesn't mean it has to be an amour based tank people - it's already slow & Does Not Need Another Low Powered slot due to it's bonuses - JEEZ...

Love it. Ask for the most so that when they back it off it comes out to workable. I agree that if I could push for the best it would be a 4/5/3 with a side arm. Very much like the Gallente without the extra equipment slots. It would be OP as hell, but I would love it.

Yeah...
Based on what I see going on with the Proto Logis - they all get 14 slots - & compared to other suits, Amarr suits always get one slot less than the rest...
With this in mind, I won't argue the 14 slots much - I'll just ask - but, I'll argue that the Amarr Proto Logi(which I've used since the respec)deserves at least one more slot, which is a high powered, because my current shield is like half of my armor & that puts me at a disadvantage against certain weapons...

If he had 4 Low slots at Proto, the Repair module bonus wouldn't be nearly as difficult to work with. I think it's already been pointed out that a Gallente Proto can actually get higher Repair than the Amarr Logi just on number of slots.

(in the interest of full disclosure, I run Caldari Logistics - so Amarr bonuses wouldn't even help me, I just feel bad for it being the gimpiest of the suits)

You are completely right. Gallente could do it better, less stamina and base HP, but it could do the repair much better. Just goes to show you what a great suit the Gallente is - many options there. Amarr... not so many and needs work.

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using mini logi at mo , but intend on unlocking all logi suits ,so would like them to have different roles within the logistics umbrella. As amarr is supposed to be the more combat focused , why not give std and advanced versions a side arm and the proto 2 light weapon slots.cpu/pg can be altered to finely balance, they loose logistical utility while gaining combat focused utility , allowing them to perform maybe something more like a combat engineer rather than medic/supply/fire support combo logistics they are at present .maybe this would encroach on the assault or heavy roles to much,but it would make logistics an interesting career if all 4 factions had there own specialty niche within the logistics bracket.

I've been running the proto suit a lot more lately and there have been times where it was fun to use. I'd move forward, encounter some resistance and retreat into cover as my armor started to take damage. Then the guy I was fighting charges in to try and finish me off, not realizing that my armor is repairing and that I have my smg out. I've even gotten a few kills that way. A few problems though

1) If you aren't literally right next to cover, the armor reps don't save you. I'm running enhanced plate and two complex reppers.
2) If the guy you bait in by falling back is using a proto suit, you're a goner. That stunt only works against standard or militia suits. Against advanced suit enemies it's a bit of a coin toss.
3) Doing this in any meaningful way seems to require a ton more SP than other races, since you absolutely rely on dual tanking. There's no way in hell you can rely on armor alone. If you try that you get swatted down like a starter suit. I have 10.5 million SP and I the only proto level gear I can use is armor repair modules and my suit. Everything else is at advanced (enhanced extenders, plates etc).

This is not a complaint but feedback regarding the Proto Logi Suit for the Amarr.

There needs to be a significant disadvantage given to the Amarr Logi suit due to its advanatge of the sidearm however I believe that the balancing has gone a little to far meaning that there is a PG or slot issue.


Ok first of all I really dont understand why the logi has a pg of 67 with fewer slots than other logi's they are allready at a disadvantage due to not having much room for cpu or pg boosters. In order to have a reasonable offence / support hybrid logi you are required to get a PG booster in one of the 3 low slots this has the following implications:

1. You can't take full advantage of the armours racial speclaisation bonus as basicly you will have to run with one armor and 1 complex repper due to the complex PG being in low slot.

2. This means that with low high slots and only two low slots the final armor and shield stats for total hit points are probably far lower than the other three logi's with only a slight hit point rep advantage.

3. Even with the PG boosters your only going to afford to have a proto weapon an advanced sidearm then a proto support tool and two advanced support tools with enough room for proto grens.

I have found that you have to have 3 shield extenders 1 complex repper and 1 armour and 1 PG amplifier. Nothing else makes sense you cant afford to put complex damage mods with so few high slots and the low PG means that the only way to take a small advantage of the racial bonuses the 3 low slots have to be tied up in the way I mention. This means that there is no flexibilty at all in the low or high slots nothing else really makes any sense. The only flexibilty is in the weapon, equipment and grenade slots.

I have two possible solutions to put the Amarr Logi back on balance with the other classes.

The first and least drastic buff is to put the starting pg up even if it goes from 67 to 70 like the Amarr Assault this will help. I have no idea why the Amarr Logi has such a low PG when every other Logi has more PG than its assault variants why has the Amarr logi suit has less makes no logical sense to me at all.

A more dramatic buff would be another low slot to at least put another advanced plate or armour repper so that the racial benefit of the suit actually does benefit the user.

A PG buff of 3 and a extra low slot would be the biggest buff, however I don't know if this would make the Amarr Logi on parr or maybe give an edge to this suit so this may make the suit a little imbalanced.

I hope CCP can have a look at the suit because I genunily believe that the 67 PG is a mistake I cannot believe that the designer intended to give less pg to a logi suit that the assault/logi variants.

With what we have now I'd also prefer another highslot over a low. It would give the option of either another shield extender (no further loss of mobility, two plates is just a bad idea) or a damage mod so that we can actually perform as a mix of assault and logi.

But, there are the new armor modules coming. Like the ones that give less hp but no speed penalty, or the ones that are a mix of plate and repairer. Another low could be useful for that. Being able to fit a hacking module could be good too.

I think all the Logis have been feeling the SP pinch of course, but the Amarr has the short end of the stick in many ways. It's meant to be the "assault-Logi" (or "Combat-focused" suit if you prefer the in-game description), but the slot-short element makes it lose the logi flexibility while also lacking many of the assault strengths. I guess I already described above how the Gallente outclasses it in terms of armor-tanking, and I'm not sure if that's wrong necessarily (it is their thing).

However, assault suits gain speed, better regen, durability, and combat passives to differentiate them from something like a Logi (which gets more module slots). This "assault" Logi is the slowest Logi, it's only marginally more durable than the other logis for a full hit to assault traits, the slots don't allow it to compete in durability, the slot-restriction makes a slot-based class bonus less useful, and that's all aside from the mysteriously lower fitting traits compared to Logis and the Amarr assault. Insult to injury is the module slots being the same as the Amarr assault I think.

I don't know that an extra low slot would "fix" the suit, but it would certainly help I think.