Sorry, not trying to sound like a ****, but well you mentioned that you're new to logistics. So, do you realize that the Amarr Logistics is the only one that gets a sidearm? Where every other Logi suit only has one gun, you have two. That it why the others are more powerful in terms of high slots, low slots and equipment.

amarr logi is fine. the suit has higher base hp and also receives a sidearm slot at proto levels.

the caldari and minmatar are actually out of place with huge tanking (if that is what you want) capabilities due to their slots but the purpose is actually to have a balanced fit to be able to keep up with assaults.

That's not true.
We should not be able to fight 1v1 against an assault.
It's stupid to be able to be even better. They are the ******* killing machines not us.

Llan Heindell.

oh really? how do you want to support the assaults when you slowboat behind them? you need the slots for biotic modules to be able to keep up with the flow of the battle (which is controlled be the assaults, assaults are faster and the majority of mercs run assaults) and when you keep up with the assaults then you also need slots for tanking because someone will sooner or later start to shoot you.

full tank logis are useless, they arrive into the battle when it is already over and then get killed like everyone else.

you think gallente is best? try with caldari...LOL

You silly creature. I don't need to keep up with assaults. I have 21m range. I can be really far from them in a very good and safe location.

My point is, they need to be better then us.

Llan Heindell.

Weirdness of amarr logi strikes even if you compare it with amarr assault. And Gal logi as bonus compare.
..............Amarr Logi...................Amarr Assault..................Gallente Logi
PG...............66..................................70.......................................78
CPU...........390.................................350......................................390
High.............3.....................................3..........................................3
Low..............3....................................3..........................................5
Eq.................3....................................1..........................................4
Shield.........120...............................180.........................................90
Armor..........180..............................180.......................................180
Run..............4.5................................4.8........................................4.7
Sprint...........6.4................................6.7........................................6.6


Amarr logi for some reason have less PG then amarr assault (and much less then any other logi), but with same High/Low and +2 equipment slots.
And logi need huge PG supply to fit all those extra equipment. Which is hard with lacking PG.

So comparing to Gallente logi, again HUGE lack of PG.
Gallente have -30EHP with +2Low and +12PG (+4 from skills 30%*12) and -25% PG/CPU on all equipment, which is HUGE for logi.
And with that all extra PG/CPU that Gallente have from suit itself or skill for equipment he can just actually fit one free* rep module into extra low slot to compensate for amarr's repair bonus from skill.

For me side arm just not worth the PG/Low drawbacks.

amarr logi have less PG because he has less slots than other logis.

why logis have less PG than assault? I can only assume this is because equipment is more CPU demanding and to make the logi do compromises.

Again i don't think that sidearm is worth -12PG and -2Fiting slots and -1Equipment

oh really? how do you want to support the assaults when you slowboat behind them? you need the slots for biotic modules to be able to keep up with the flow of the battle (which is controlled be the assaults, assaults are faster and the majority of mercs run assaults) and when you keep up with the assaults then you also need slots for tanking because someone will sooner or later start to shoot you.

full tank logis are useless, they arrive into the battle when it is already over and then get killed like everyone else.

I agree. The Amarr logi or Captain Mediocre as I call him, cannot compete against the other logis. To do so he would have to proto two weapons on top of all the logi skills he must have and decide between his equipment slots on what to sacrifice to stay in the game. Don't assault suits get two equipment slots at proto level? Meaning that an ASSAULT caldari would be a better logi than and AMARR logi - or at least on par with him as the caldari has more slots. That shouldn't happen.

If his bonus applied to ALL armor restoring equipment the skill may be worth the sacrifice. As in the bonus applying to his repair tool, nanite injectors, and armor reppers. One would sacrifice the medium stats for an advanced repping skill. That I could go for, but as is he is sad.

I agree. The Amarr logi or Captain Mediocre as I call him, cannot compete against the other logis. To do so he would have to proto two weapons on top of all the logi skills he must have and decide between his equipment slots on what to sacrifice to stay in the game. Don't assault suits get two equipment slots at proto level? Meaning that an ASSAULT caldari would be a better logi than and AMARR logi - or at least on par with him as the caldari has more slots. That shouldn't happen.

If his bonus applied to ALL armor restoring equipment the skill may be worth the sacrifice. As in the bonus applying to his repair tool, nanite injectors, and armor reppers. One would sacrifice the medium stats for an advanced repping skill. That I could go for, but as is he is sad.

I understand that the sidearm is good, but really, 3 low slots against 5 from the Gallente? It's a little too much, And the gallente actually gets more Infantry slots. lol

I'm having a hard time being a medic with my amarr suit because I can't use naniteinjector/nanohives/repair tools.
Having one less infantry slot is enough of a penalty for the sidearm. That's a fact.

Llan Heindell.

Hi there.

I decided to go the logistics path in Dust, and as I like armor repair modules I chose Amarr because of the nice bonuses to it.
After 2 days now of playing I begun to notice something - the Amarr Logisuit is quite subpar when looking another, flat out better dropsuit -> the Gallente Logisuit.
Let me explain:

The T3 Amarr logisuit has 3x low slots, this results in one being able to carry 3x armor repairer modules at most.
The T3 Gallente logisuit has the amazing number of 5x low suits, making one being able to use 5x armor repairer modules.
Logistics Suit Bonus +1 HP to dropsuit armor repair rate per level.
Amarr Logi Bonus +5% to efficacy of armor repairer modules per level.
Amarr Repair Systems +5% to armor repair modules efficacy per level.
Complex Armor Repairer 5,0 HP/s.

These values only count if one has lvl 5 in the following skills skills:
Armor Repair Systems
Amarr Logistics Dropsuit / Gallente Logistics Dropsuit

Amarr Suit:

25%+25% = 50%
50% + 100% = 150%
150% / 100 = growth factor 1,50

5 HP/s x growth factor 1,5 = 7,5 HP/s
7,5 HP/s x 3 low slots = 22,5 HP/s
22,5 HP/s + 5 HP/s = 27,5 HP/s

Gallente Suit:

25% + 100% = 125%
125% / 100 = growth factor 1,25

5 HP/s x growth factor 1,25 = 6,25 HP/s
6,25 HP/s x 4 lowslots = 25 HP/s
25HP/s + 5 HP/s = 30 HP/s

6,25 HP/s x 5 lowslots = 31,25 HP/s
31,25 HP/s + 5HP/s = 36,25 HP/s


As you can see, the gallente dropsuit is superior in armor repairing because of its extra low slots.

I think it would be nice if the T3 Amarr Logisuit had one more low slot to make its suitbonus more useful for those (like me) who stack up on armor repair modules.



Need to end this thread now as I need to leave, but I will continue later about another amarr dropsuit topic that I have in mind.


- Haron Vathek

(sorry for any grammar / speling mistakes, english is not my native language)


Edit1: Fixed some wrong numbers

Late on writing this, but I guess its better late than never.

My second topic about the Amarr Logistics Suit is primarily focused around the Advanced(T2) one, more spesificly named the Logistics A/1-Series.
The logistic class rely on its vast amount of equipment slots, in fact its what defines us as a logistic (other than the banana suits). Therefore it has come to my attention that the Logistics A/1-Series only have 2 equipment slots like its Standard (T1) version, the Logistics A-I, this is something that severly weakens the suits supportive capabilites. I know that the suit has 3 High and 3 Low slots which are not bad for a Advanced(T2) suit, but I still feel as a logistics player its lacking on the supportive side rather than the defensive / offensive one.
Right now I am only able to carry one remote armor repairer and one nanite injector, even in the Advanced(T2) suit and this gimps my capabilities bigtime.

Therefore I suggest having 1 High slot replaced with 1 equipment slot on the Advanced(T2) Amarr logistics suit.

This would make it easier for Amarr logistics to support their team better at earlier levels and even though it might look similar to the Advanced(T2) Gallente logistics suit since its layout is 2 High, 3 Low and 3 equipment slots. There would still be the CPU and PG difference, making the Gallente one more viable for more resource heavy modules.


- Haron Vathek

(sorry or any grammar / spelling mistakes, english is not my native language)

Weirdness of amarr logi strikes even if you compare it with amarr assault. And Gal logi as bonus compare.
..............Amarr Logi...................Amarr Assault..................Gallente Logi
PG...............66..................................70.......................................78
CPU...........390.................................350......................................390
High.............3.....................................3..........................................3
Low..............3....................................3..........................................5
Eq.................3....................................1..........................................4
Shield.........120...............................180.........................................90
Armor..........180..............................180.......................................180
Run..............4.5................................4.8........................................4.7
Sprint...........6.4................................6.7........................................6.6


Amarr logi for some reason have less PG then amarr assault (and much less then any other logi), but with same High/Low and +2 equipment slots.
And logi need huge PG supply to fit all those extra equipment. Which is hard with lacking PG.

So comparing to Gallente logi, again HUGE lack of PG.
Gallente have -30EHP with +2Low and +12PG (+4 from skills 30%*12) and -25% PG/CPU on all equipment, which is HUGE for logi.
And with that all extra PG/CPU that Gallente have from suit itself or skill for equipment he can just actually fit one free* rep module into extra low slot to compensate for amarr's repair bonus from skill.

For me side arm just not worth the PG/Low drawbacks.

Sorry, not trying to sound like a ****, but well you mentioned that you're new to logistics. So, do you realize that the Amarr Logistics is the only one that gets a sidearm? Where every other Logi suit only has one gun, you have two. That it why the others are more powerful in terms of high slots, low slots and equipment.

The amarr logi is not suited to front line combat at all. I've rarely ever lived long enough after taking fire for my repair modules to do anything to help. Generally I'm dead before I can blink. This is with around 430 or so total hp. May as well run a skinweave logi suit, which survives just as long and doesn't cost SP or isk.

It seemed like a great suit for a couple days, then the average dps put out by players jumped through the roof. Now the suit is about as resilient as a wet piece of toilet paper.

I agree. The Amarr logi or Captain Mediocre as I call him, cannot compete against the other logis. To do so he would have to proto two weapons on top of all the logi skills he must have and decide between his equipment slots on what to sacrifice to stay in the game. Don't assault suits get two equipment slots at proto level? Meaning that an ASSAULT caldari would be a better logi than and AMARR logi - or at least on par with him as the caldari has more slots. That shouldn't happen.

If his bonus applied to ALL armor restoring equipment the skill may be worth the sacrifice. As in the bonus applying to his repair tool, nanite injectors, and armor reppers. One would sacrifice the medium stats for an advanced repping skill. That I could go for, but as is he is sad.