I just want to put my hat in the ring for nerfing the other 3 logis to the level of the ammar with 10 slots instead of 12.

Then the ammar would get 6fitting 3equipment 2 weapons and all other suits would get 7 fitting 3 equipment 1 weapon

Logis should have one less high/mid slot than the assault in trade for 2 more equipment slots. I think it's important to remember they have a built in +5 repper, that should count as a low slot and every logi across the board *but the ammar one * should lose a low.

I think having 3 equipment slots and a built in repper is worth having one less slot to fit stuff into. The Ammar suit is the only one in a good place, in fact it should gain at least one slot even.

But that's just my opinion :P

Thanks for thinking about bring bonuses down to basic suits <3

Please note that the only skills I have to get is Engineering 5 and The Weapon skills to lower PG.

As noted above I will have a maximum of 83 PG after spending a further 770k ( a gain of 1 pg) to get to engineering 5 and an extra 3 PG for using the complex PG module.

Your math for 85.8 is wrong im sorry.

Spending 3.2 million in Light Weapon and Sidearm FItting will net me about 4 total PG back.

I went through tons of fitting without the PG module and you have to make large sacrifices for example using an advanced shield and all advanced equipment in low slots meaning that you can only carry two proto equipment and or gun and equipment. Some of these fit required I carried no grenade etc. Without using a PG module even with +4 for spending 3.9 million sp your still going to have a suit that looks more like an advanced suit with the equipment on it than a proto level suit.

Doesn't matter if you nerf the others because they will still be far superior.

THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS THE TINY PG POOL

To be competative you have to use a low slot for PG module

thats 2 low that you havent got any choice but to put an armour module in and a repper module in.

Why?

Having two reppers on base armour will do nothing under fire you need an armour there to actually rep.

Not having a repper in one of the slots mean you dont get to use racial bonus.

Every single proto Amarr logi will be forced to use armour, repper, PG unit due to the huge PG disparity we have real choice or flexibilty in the matter.

You have two solutions for balance:

Buff the PG in the Amarr Logi suit.

Nerf everyone elses PG (Assaults and Logi's) so they have the same difficulty in balancing their weapons, equipment and low and high slots.

I know from a techincal point which would be easiest!

Lets pretend that your running Amarr Logi as Assault.

Using only 1 equipment slot should be simpler right?

Wait a second though the Logi suit has 4 BASE PG LESS than the Amarr Assault.

So even not using the two equipment slots the logi suit is inferior to the Amarr Assault with PG this makes no sense whatsoever.

I, for one, feel like the whole team has been WAY more communicative lately.
It is very, very nice to see.
Thank you!

P-A-R-A-D-O-X

The way they do it and it is very very close to your figure is

Engineering = 1.25
Core Upgrades = 1.05
Base = 66

1.25*1.05*66=86.6

Whew. The amarr logi may still be of use!!!

So I know that this thread is about the Amarr logistics, and I agree with everyone that has posted requesting a slight change to the balance. But since you guys are all here, do you mind if I ask a question (as I am also looking to move into logistics).

Is there an advantage to going Gallente? (the OP mentioned it in the first post)

I know that at PROTO levels all these things balance out more, but is it really really bad to go Gallente until proto?

The numbers I'm seeing are,

Power grid, CPU, Shield HP and armor are consistent across the board. (Gallente get 30 more HP on armor at all levels and the Minmitar move faster and have more HP/s shield gain at all levels.)

The confusing part is the slot distribution

Minmitar listed first, then Gallente

T1: 2/2/3 vs. 0/2/3
Simply 2 less slots, otherwise same suit. Why?

T2: 3/3/3 vs. 2/3/3
Again, same suit minus 1 slot. Why?

T3: 4/4/4 vs. 3/5/4
Now for proto it balances with Minmitar working out to be a versatile hacking master, and the gallente able to equip his infantry gear with less issue in the PG/CPU department.

So I really have 3 questions.
1: Why is the gallente suit the same as the minmitar with simply less slots (or did I miss something)?
2: Is there any reason to go gallente unless you're simply looking long term proto gear?
3: Is the Gallente suit bonus meaningful? How much difference does it make to have that 25% lower PG/CPU for equipment?

Thank you so much for answering in advance, I really am just seeking info.

Maybe you guys are asking to much of your suits fitting,wanting proto light weapon and advanced side arm plus complex shields , advanced armour mods and equipment . On my proto mini logi a can not fit a proto weapon with complex SE ,adv armour and adv equipment. there simply is not enough CPU OR PG. I can fit complex SE with basic plates and rep, adv nano hive and repair tool basic nano needle and DU, at this point i can fit a gek and basic grenades or i can drop to standard AR replace basic arm rep for adv . to fit a proto weapon would mean using standard equipment and a standard armour tank.

So the question is should all logi suits have the cpu/pg to fit all proto weapons and complex modules and complex/adv equipment or should they like the other suits be made to make decisions on what is most important to them and sacrificing
other areas to allow the fits.

what fittings can be installed on gallante or caldari logi i do not know but id assume neither can fit proto/complex only fits.

For ammarr to balance needs a complete new slot layout poss 2high 6low 2 equip 1 Side arm 1 light weapon, grenade and removal of additional hp over caldari/galante suits. its easier to balance 4 distinct factions with 2 types of tank than having 3 factions sharing 1 tank and trying to make some cosmetic differences.To me it seems a no brain er that 4 factions should with 2 tanking types cover the spectrum from shield through to armour not have 1 armour and 3 omni -tanking factions.

Sidearm is a huge bonus for a logi. I'd probably give up an equipment slot on my MK.0 for one....
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....not really, but you get the point.

Movement speed! that and the sidearm are all that matters to me, it wrenches my insides maybe u could release a aurum suit. maybe add a pistol to the sever

Agree on Amarr logi being subpar for all the various reasons already mentioned. Sidearm slot is not worth that much IMO. Plus its only useful at proto levels. Which I dont feel is a sustainable approach anyway. Considering the lack of PG it also makes a fit WITH a sidearm difficult AND you have to allocate SP into that to be effective.

I was actually planning on using laser logi and sidearm for close range. But again, its only doable in proto level.

Give the bonus to an actual logi role. Like remote rep and please please please give us remote infantry shield reps already, give a bonus to caldari and minmitar bonus for repping shield and amarr and gal for armor. It could be increased range or increased rep amount.

I see the bonus being trifold. Give the logi tree a bonus to rep range and pg/cpu bonus to equipment per level. Then give the racial version bonus to its rep type (shield/armor)

IF you can balance bonus to pg/cpu of equipment you could effectively lower the PG/CPU of the logi suit and keep "killers" out of the suit and actually create a defined role for it. In other words, a person wanting to use a logi for killing wouldnt be able to fit 4 complex dmg mods.

I know eve has always been known for having some fun unorthodox fits, and allowing that creativity. But please give a bonus for the actual role the suit provides rather than a random bonus that doesn't really apply to the dropsuit class.

Amarr have the slowest movement speed but the best intial shield/armour buff this is negated later on with the other logi's superior slots.

Best pure AV in the game would be Amarr logi Personal defence + Proto Swarms + 3 equipment slots for prox minex, remote explosives and nano hive.

Best offensive Logi = Caldari (which is why assaults are going into it)

Best support class = Galante

Best all rounder = Minimatar

Whew. The amarr logi may still be of use!!!

I do certainly agree with more PG. But it also looks like the PG is limited in the game so as to encourage specailization and the maxing of a few traits. In my opinion every proto suit should have enough PG and CPU to have a proto module of the most commonly used types IFF every skill that gave PG/CPU was maxed, every skill to decrease CPU/PG usage for each module, weapon, and equipment was maxed.

A little off topic but it still applies to the difference in CPU/PG in the Amarr Logi

(Red Bleach - Red Bleach? Excuse me? o.O & to some degree Terarrim)

Huh - what? Were you writing English? o.O
I'm a bit unclear to what you were saying... >.>

Anyways, I'm not(ATM)fussing much, as 1, I haven't maxed out my suit yet(I use advanced modules), & 2, I tend to hold back on going proto with equipment - so the lack of PG won't bother me for a while(although I'm near max ATM)...

Does one get extra from using proto equipment? Apart from nanohives that is... Do you get extra points for reviving a teammate with a proto nanite injector? Do you get more points for using a proto repair tool?(especially where points fro using same is limited\capped)

If the answers to those last questions is yes, then I see a need for it - if the answer is no, then why bother going proto? Save the CPU & PG use on those items for last, & if you can 'afford' to fit them, by all means do so, but if you can't, I don't see a problem(apart from the CPU & PG being uneven when compared to other logi suits)...

P-A-R-A-D-O-X - OUT!!! =]

No, no bonuses yet for proto equipment - the bonuses from proto modules and weapons shouldn't need to be expanded upon here. But in one of the posts by Cross Atu a developer had spoken to this, and IFF they listen and see the reasoning behind giving more points for going proto then there will be extra points for rezzing, repping, etc. for higher grade equipment. So, not yet, but we hope for it.

Otherwise it is only for the benefit of the team that one would get better equipment.

What? Where out of all that thread did you get that opinion? This is the thread of it being broke not amazing, stay on topic :P
Perhaps you could make another thread entitled "the AMARR Logi is Awesome!!" but we would certainly have to troll it. I know what you meant but i couldn't resist.

No, no bonuses yet for proto equipment - the bonuses from proto modules and weapons shouldn't need to be expanded upon here. But in one of the posts by Cross Atu a developer had spoken to this, and IFF they listen and see the reasoning behind giving more points for going proto then there will be extra points for rezzing, repping, etc. for higher grade equipment. So, not yet, but we hope for it.

Otherwise it is only for the benefit of the team that one would get better equipment.