Amarr logi here.

In my opinion, what's lacking with this suit is the lower amount of base PG compared to the other logis, I can't think of a reason as to why it is like that.

Additionally, the advanced tier suit should have a side-arm slot, not just the proto.

I kinda figured the Amarr Assault having more PG than the Logi was a bug or typo. I do think the logi needs another slot (low imho, but others feel differently).

Have you maxed out your PG boosting skillz?
Have you maxed out your PG reducing skillz?
No further questions... =P

Hold on - wait...
Lets put it this way - how much PG do you use\need ATM?
By my calculations, you can get up to 85.8 PG with the bonuses(yes I know it'll cost millions in SP - I'm just saying)PLUS, there are PG reducing skills for weapons THUS, the combination of the PG boosting & reducing skills at a low level MAY allow a decent amount of PG use...
Have you already exhausted these options? O.O

Hold on - wait...
Lets put it this way - how much PG do you use\need ATM?
By my calculations, you can get up to 85.8 PG with the bonuses(yes I know it'll cost millions in SP - I'm just saying)PLUS, there are PG reducing skills for weapons THUS, the combination of the PG boosting & reducing skills at a low level MAY allow a decent amount of PG use...
Have you already exhausted these options? O.O

I posted this to support but they directed me back more it has more details regarding my findings on the Amarr Logi!:

I am going through calculations for getting complex PG and extra 5 pecent (to top engineering to 5) to get the full use of my Amarr Proto Logi suit imagine to my horror that this 770 sp is going to cost me one low slot (complex PG mod) and only an extra 4 PG on my suit.

I really don't understand how I am to compete and support in a proto level encounters when the PG is so low.

I have calculated that with all core skills at maximum (core skill + engineering) I will have 83 total pg to spread between 3 high 3 low 3 equipment a grenade and two weapons (light _ sidearm)

For the amarr medium frame I will have a total of 88 pg with two less equipment slots.

I do not understand that while the CPU is higher for the logi suit the pg is less but the pg needs for equipment are very high.

I understand the need for less slots than other logi's due to game balance on the sidearm.

However I do not understand that whilest the other 3 logi's have higher PG's than their assault variants the Amarr Logi is the only one to have LESS than their assault variant.

WHAT THIS MEANS

The Amarr Logi is supposed to be a bit of a tank hybrid that can take damage dish some out (though not as good as assault) whilest having reaonsable level of on field battle support.

Due to the pg being so low though what its doing is actually crippling the suit in the following ways.

The only way to get decent equipment (and im not talking all prototype). You have to use a PG complex mod (cpu to pg).

This means that you sacrifice 1 slot to compensate for the sever lack of pg.

Your now down to two low slots for defence wich one of has to be a complex rep to take any kind of advantage of the racial bonus and one slot for armour.

THis means that all other suits (logi's and assaults) have a huge low slot advantage over the Amarr Logi able to put extra rep modules or extra armour modules. This is exasibated even further where some of the logi's have four low slots to.

Due to only having two slots this also means that you are unable to take advantage of one of the main strengths of the suit that is the racial modifier. You can only practicly run one complex rep at the time as you need the other two for a armour buffer and pg unit. To take advantage of the 25 percent extra hps from rep modules you really need two repair modules going at the same time either two enhanced or two complex which is impossible.

I know I can take advantage of weapon pg to squeeze some extra pg space later on but 25 percent of weapon pg is not going to save to much at all. (I have calculated a rough gain of about 3 for main weapon and 1 or 2 for side weapon for a huge SP cost).

Here is my example proto fit with level 4 engineering just to give you some idea of the equipment I am carrying:

3 complex shields
1 enhanced armor
1 enhanced armor repper (only level 3 in armor reppers atm)
1 enhanced PG unit
Proto Cathum Scrambler rifle
Toxin SMG
EX 11 packed AV gren
K17/D nano hive
Core Focused remote repair tool
Kin Nano Injector

thats 356 shield (level 5 shield extender, level 3 shield ops)
299 armor (Level 3 armour op, level 3 armour)

485/491 CPU
94/94 PG

So at the moment I can only fit 5 proto gear and 6 enhanced items and 1 standerd item maxing out PG.

Please could you look into this because I think that the 66 PG is a genuine mistake on creating the suit at the very least it should be the same as the assault class and if the logi suit follows the examples of others it should have more.

I just want to put my hat in the ring for nerfing the other 3 logis to the level of the ammar with 10 slots instead of 12.

Then the ammar would get 6fitting 3equipment 2 weapons and all other suits would get 7 fitting 3 equipment 1 weapon

Logis should have one less high/mid slot than the assault in trade for 2 more equipment slots. I think it's important to remember they have a built in +5 repper, that should count as a low slot and every logi across the board *but the ammar one * should lose a low.

I think having 3 equipment slots and a built in repper is worth having one less slot to fit stuff into. The Ammar suit is the only one in a good place, in fact it should gain at least one slot even.

But that's just my opinion :P

Thanks for thinking about bring bonuses down to basic suits <3

P-A-R-A-D-O-X

Whew. The amarr logi may still be of use!!!

So I know that this thread is about the Amarr logistics, and I agree with everyone that has posted requesting a slight change to the balance. But since you guys are all here, do you mind if I ask a question (as I am also looking to move into logistics).

Is there an advantage to going Gallente? (the OP mentioned it in the first post)

I know that at PROTO levels all these things balance out more, but is it really really bad to go Gallente until proto?

The numbers I'm seeing are,

Power grid, CPU, Shield HP and armor are consistent across the board. (Gallente get 30 more HP on armor at all levels and the Minmitar move faster and have more HP/s shield gain at all levels.)

The confusing part is the slot distribution

Minmitar listed first, then Gallente

T1: 2/2/3 vs. 0/2/3
Simply 2 less slots, otherwise same suit. Why?

T2: 3/3/3 vs. 2/3/3
Again, same suit minus 1 slot. Why?

T3: 4/4/4 vs. 3/5/4
Now for proto it balances with Minmitar working out to be a versatile hacking master, and the gallente able to equip his infantry gear with less issue in the PG/CPU department.

So I really have 3 questions.
1: Why is the gallente suit the same as the minmitar with simply less slots (or did I miss something)?
2: Is there any reason to go gallente unless you're simply looking long term proto gear?
3: Is the Gallente suit bonus meaningful? How much difference does it make to have that 25% lower PG/CPU for equipment?

Thank you so much for answering in advance, I really am just seeking info.

Maybe you guys are asking to much of your suits fitting,wanting proto light weapon and advanced side arm plus complex shields , advanced armour mods and equipment . On my proto mini logi a can not fit a proto weapon with complex SE ,adv armour and adv equipment. there simply is not enough CPU OR PG. I can fit complex SE with basic plates and rep, adv nano hive and repair tool basic nano needle and DU, at this point i can fit a gek and basic grenades or i can drop to standard AR replace basic arm rep for adv . to fit a proto weapon would mean using standard equipment and a standard armour tank.

So the question is should all logi suits have the cpu/pg to fit all proto weapons and complex modules and complex/adv equipment or should they like the other suits be made to make decisions on what is most important to them and sacrificing
other areas to allow the fits.

what fittings can be installed on gallante or caldari logi i do not know but id assume neither can fit proto/complex only fits.

For ammarr to balance needs a complete new slot layout poss 2high 6low 2 equip 1 Side arm 1 light weapon, grenade and removal of additional hp over caldari/galante suits. its easier to balance 4 distinct factions with 2 types of tank than having 3 factions sharing 1 tank and trying to make some cosmetic differences.To me it seems a no brain er that 4 factions should with 2 tanking types cover the spectrum from shield through to armour not have 1 armour and 3 omni -tanking factions.

Movement speed! that and the sidearm are all that matters to me, it wrenches my insides maybe u could release a aurum suit. maybe add a pistol to the sever

Yeah, it needs some love, a touch more PG (should at least keep pace with it's racial assault counterpart and 1 more Low Power slot to allow better utility of it's racial skill buffs and we're in business IMO.

Where in your argument do you account for either New Eden lore in general or more importantly the 2 on board skill buff to active armor tanking. Now I grant you one of those buffs is present across the entire Logi line but that speaks more towards Logi in general benefiting from some extra EHP than it detracts from the Amarr role as an active armor tanker.
EVen setting aside the general Logi skill buff the Amarr suit buff is
Since the skill buff requires the use of mods to gain any benefit (unlike on board suit traits) it's still clearly an dropsuit geared for active armor tanking. It also possesses a side arm and more limited slot/fitting configuration (even with my suggested alterations) due to it's more aggressive role (among Logi). Combine that slightly more 'slayer' role with it's limitations to movement et al and a bit more shield HP + recharge makes sense. It has the highest base HP of any Logi suit and is tied for highest armor HP with the Gal suit (which is in keeping with racial focus of the Gallente and Amarr on armor tanking as previously mentioned).

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I am building an Amarr Logi for the very specialized role of being a supporter for heavies. Which I think it is sort of well suited to.

- Slowest Logi Suit, stay with heavies easier.
- Highest base shield and armor. Heavies naturally draw a lot of resistance, I can tank with them and die less.
- Racial bonus to Armor repair. In downtime when I'm repping the heavy, I will rep myself as well.
- Yes, at proto, I get a sidearm! When they get killed, I may actually be able to clean up and needle them.
- Just enough equipment slots for everything they need (at proto), Rep, Needles, Hives.

I love the suggestions in this thread though. Even though I'm using it, I do think overall it may be the worst Logi suit. I think having a sidearm at the Advanced level would be incredibly helpful. Having to get all the way to proto before seeing any benefit of going Amarr is really painful.