They are supposed to be armour tanked in eve but that doesn't seem to be the case in dust so much. There are both equal slots high and low. Also the base hps of 120 and 180 are pretty similar with the logi and exactly the same 180 180 for the assault. In addition with high recharge rate and as far as I know the fastest time to recharge of 6 and 5 seconds on shield this suit seems more of a hybrid shield/armour suit as it stands. With limited low slots you cant really armour tank very well only self armour repair well with limited high slots putting damage mods himps your overall hps severly to.

I would argue at present the suit is hybrid armour/shields unlike the ships in eve where they are best armour tankers in the game.

+5% to efficacy of armor repairer modules per level.

Where in your argument do you account for either New Eden lore in general or more importantly the 2 on board skill buff to active armor tanking. Now I grant you one of those buffs is present across the entire Logi line but that speaks more towards Logi in general benefiting from some extra EHP than it detracts from the Amarr role as an active armor tanker.
EVen setting aside the general Logi skill buff the Amarr suit buff is
Since the skill buff requires the use of mods to gain any benefit (unlike on board suit traits) it's still clearly an dropsuit geared for active armor tanking. It also possesses a side arm and more limited slot/fitting configuration (even with my suggested alterations) due to it's more aggressive role (among Logi). Combine that slightly more 'slayer' role with it's limitations to movement et al and a bit more shield HP + recharge makes sense. It has the highest base HP of any Logi suit and is tied for highest armor HP with the Gal suit (which is in keeping with racial focus of the Gallente and Amarr on armor tanking as previously mentioned).

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why does a Logi suit have so many Module slots anyway? I feel that they should have less total module slots IMO as it is their "cost" of their extra equipment slots. How do you guys feel about that?

I could argue back that I account for hybrid because as you stated ALL logis get the armour rep as standard. The base hit points for both armour and shield are almost the same. There is an in built buff in the suit that gives it an equivlent of 2 complex shield regulartors for free. The shield regen rate is also high. Then for armour you get the bonuses to the self reps.

So coupled with the fact that the base shields are high though not quite as high as the armour I believe there is much more of a hybrid going on here than galente suit for example. Both high and low slots are 3 and 3 not 2 and 4 or other combination. It all factors into a hybrid shield/armour character. If you decide to go damage mods on your upper slots then your going to go 2 full complex with 20 percent slow down on an allready slow suit you have to have the other low for complex reps. Your total armour is going to be on par with a starting heavy with slightly higher speeds. And your then nerfing yourself not only on speed but the fact your only using one repairer means your not ustilising fully the racial repair funciton.

Something like a complex plate x2 complex reps plus 2 or 3 complex shields with 1 or 0 enhanced shield recharger makes more sense to me. The way that they have built the suit. Besides devs have allready stated they wont be tied to eve lore to make weapons and equipment in dust if they wish to do other things.

As for people who are saying not enough high slots due to running two damage mods then I suggest you have the wrong character logis are support characters the amarr assault has extra shields on them and it makes more sense to go assault if you wish to run damage mods in my humble opinion.

why does a Logi suit have so many Module slots anyway? I feel that they should have less total module slots IMO as it is their "cost" of their extra equipment slots. How do you guys feel about that?

What is with you people?

Amarr is for armor tanking?

I should go Assault?

Why don't you 'anti damage people' play with a militia scrambler pistol only?

Why is it that all y'all can think of when y'all see low slots is stacking heavy ass armor?

What about improving your hacking speed?

What about improving your stamina?

TTT because this isn't a thread that should be 10 pages back. We want PG upgrade!!!! maybe slightly better run speed.

I can't comment on how run speed would effect suit balance in this case (I mean I'd love to move faster but I'm not quite sure where that scales off the top of my head).

PG seems pretty much needed to the point where I honestly entertain the idea that the wrong values were input at build release (maybe there's a great fitting I'm missing that doesn't guzzle PG but usually I'm not that bad at fittings and so far I'm not seeing it).

I still think another Low Power slot is important/nearly requisite as well just to bring the Amarr suit into line with the Gal suit when it comes to tank value (and since the racial buff of the Amarr suit is about active tanking this seems like an area where it's got to be able to compete).

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ps ~ page 10 does seem a bit far back

Sorry about the radio silence. We're definitely reading as much as we can and anything we miss the community guys quickly point out, so rest assured your concerns do get through to us.

I'm responsible for both weapon and dropsuit balance so I apologize if I haven't responded as quickly as you'd like. We're taking a look at a few of the roles and will address some of the concerns with them in the not too distant future.

Thanks for the excellent feedback. It's always a pleasure to read well-explained posts.

I am building an Amarr Logi for the very specialized role of being a supporter for heavies. Which I think it is sort of well suited to.

- Slowest Logi Suit, stay with heavies easier.
- Highest base shield and armor. Heavies naturally draw a lot of resistance, I can tank with them and die less.
- Racial bonus to Armor repair. In downtime when I'm repping the heavy, I will rep myself as well.
- Yes, at proto, I get a sidearm! When they get killed, I may actually be able to clean up and needle them.
- Just enough equipment slots for everything they need (at proto), Rep, Needles, Hives.

I love the suggestions in this thread though. Even though I'm using it, I do think overall it may be the worst Logi suit. I think having a sidearm at the Advanced level would be incredibly helpful. Having to get all the way to proto before seeing any benefit of going Amarr is really painful.

I build my Proto Logi for those exact Reason heavy support but thats gone straight out of the window and I will explain why.

Highest base shield and armour are nice but eventually the lack of slots mean that all the other races will eventually have higher/much higher hitpoints. In addition with the lack of Pg you will not be able to use Complex Plates if you want have a proto weapon and a proto grenade and Proto Repair.

Racial Bonus is virtually usless as you have to equip a proto PG to be viable at all this reduces to two slots and even then the most you will be able to put in low slots is enhanced armour and advanced repper. All other races with 4 or more low slots can rep better and armour tank better. Due to not being able to fit two complex reppers or even 2 enhanced reppers the bonus is usless.

Unless your using a flaylock your going to be forced to use advanced sidearm at best.

Lastly repping heavies while handy is not viable in PC.

1. The 100 odd secs is very hard to use as its 10 meters only meaning that its hard to keep locks on.
2. Your only being usefull if the Heavy is down to armour in the first place
3. Contact grenades, Infantry grenades Flaylocks mean that your rep is usless you cannot out rep weapons that are doing 600+ damage.

Basicly due to sidearm the Amarr heavy makes for a good allrounder they are a good choice for a swarm launcher logi for example etc.

Due to the need for droplinks in PC putting these down are far more important than anything else, ammo comes second then remote explosives lastly the support of rez and rep are way down. Usually the fights are far to hectic to do anything other than fight back and support your team mates and make sure that they allways have droplinks to come into.

A rep rez and ammo logi is a very expensive luxury in PC and one that you can only use if there are allready lots of logi's helping out with the other duties like drop links etc.

BTW I am a Proto logi with 18mil+ sp with all PG/CPU skills maxed out. The Amaar logi is inferior in all ways with the possible exception of its flexibilty like swarm launchers that the side arm gives it.

Wow, this game sucks. I quit.

Yeah, we're going to be bringing the race bonus down onto the basic suits. It's one of a few adjustments to the dropsuit progression we'll be outlining in the next few days. Some adjustments we'll be making very shortly, but others will be a fair bit later.

Agreed.
Thank you CCP for listening to the discussions, arguments, and tantrums of your players and forming a solution that you felt would be best for the game. Thank you, again for the adjustments. I continue to look forward to future updates and changes to make the game even better.