Hmm? What? Self repairing armor modules coming? YES PLEASE!!!

(AWESOME news aside)Y'all are still not considering that an uneven amount of armor vs shields leaves one vulnerable to anti armor weapons - that is, you be gobbled up...

I am really looking forward to more Armor modules coming out, but not holding my breath.

This guy ^

Amarr logi is an assault suit that repairs itself and has a sidearm.

Amarr logi here.

In my opinion, what's lacking with this suit is the lower amount of base PG compared to the other logis, I can't think of a reason as to why it is like that.

Additionally, the advanced tier suit should have a side-arm slot, not just the proto.

This is exactly right we can live with everything else even less slots we just really need PG much more base PG than present frankly.


If we had more pg it wold solve the following:

We woudn't have to use a PG module to stay viable.

We get that extra low slot back for using a second complex or advanced repper so we can actually take advantage of our racial bonus.

It would allow us to have level 4 or proto gear for team support.

In an ideal world I would like the following

To be able to have 3 complex shileds

To be able to have flexibilty in the 3 low slots e.g.

1 complex plate 1 complex repper 1 adv repper. 2 complex reppers 1 adv plate, or 2 adv plate and 1 complex repper etc.

To have at the very least a level 4 equipment a level 3 equipment and a proto equipment

Proto grenades

Proto weapon and advanced sidearm.


So I am not expecting to be able to field multiple proto nanohives or anything like other logis can do. However I would like to have some flexibilty in my builds whithout putting other parts of the suit at a sevear disadvantage.

I kinda figured the Amarr Assault having more PG than the Logi was a bug or typo. I do think the logi needs another slot (low imho, but others feel differently).

Why is everyone throwing numbers around? Amarr logi is an assault suit that repairs itself and has a sidearm. If that's not a solid support for YOURSELF, until your team can help you.... well, then you need a better squad.

Also, shame on you if you chose high SP suit without understanding the costs and playstyle involved. Welcome to New Eden, we've all made mistakes like that.

This is exactly right we can live with everything else even less slots we just really need PG much more base PG than present frankly.


If we had more pg it wold solve the following:

We woudn't have to use a PG module to stay viable.

We get that extra low slot back for using a second complex or advanced repper so we can actually take advantage of our racial bonus.

It would allow us to have level 4 or proto gear for team support.

In an ideal world I would like the following

To be able to have 3 complex shileds

To be able to have flexibilty in the 3 low slots e.g.

1 complex plate 1 complex repper 1 adv repper. 2 complex reppers 1 adv plate, or 2 adv plate and 1 complex repper etc.

To have at the very least a level 4 equipment a level 3 equipment and a proto equipment

Proto grenades

Proto weapon and advanced sidearm.


So I am not expecting to be able to field multiple proto nanohives or anything like other logis can do. However I would like to have some flexibilty in my builds whithout putting other parts of the suit at a sevear disadvantage.

You think the Amarr Logi should only have 66 pg or that is a bug or typo as well? < serious question not sarcastic.

I'm responsible for - dropsuit balance

Well, you aren't doing the best of jobs, then.

Sorry about the radio silence. We're definitely reading as much as we can and anything we miss the community guys quickly point out, so rest assured your concerns do get through to us.

I'm responsible for both weapon and dropsuit balance so I apologize if I haven't responded as quickly as you'd like. We're taking a look at a few of the roles and will address some of the concerns with them in the not too distant future.

Thanks for the excellent feedback. It's always a pleasure to read well-explained posts.

Plus sometimes, we only think were right. But mm. In a lot of cases yeah you could be doing a better job no offence, its your art and I'm telling what ate the weakest parts in my opinion .

Dropsuit balance and bonuses . You should give the basic suits a single bonus btw something the same across race. And they would stack with the nee bonuses and give a reason to bring basic to 5 becuase it would increase the bonus on all suits.

Yeah, we're going to be bringing the race bonus down onto the basic suits. It's one of a few adjustments to the dropsuit progression we'll be outlining in the next few days. Some adjustments we'll be making very shortly, but others will be a fair bit later.

Have you maxed out your PG boosting skillz?
Have you maxed out your PG reducing skillz?
No further questions... =P

Yeah, we're going to be bringing the race bonus down onto the basic suits. It's one of a few adjustments to the dropsuit progression we'll be outlining in the next few days. Some adjustments we'll be making very shortly, but others will be a fair bit later.

Sorry about the radio silence. We're definitely reading as much as we can and anything we miss the community guys quickly point out, so rest assured your concerns do get through to us.

I'm responsible for both weapon and dropsuit balance so I apologize if I haven't responded as quickly as you'd like. We're taking a look at a few of the roles and will address some of the concerns with them in the not too distant future.

Thanks for the excellent feedback. It's always a pleasure to read well-explained posts.

Sorry about the radio silence. We're definitely reading as much as we can and anything we miss the community guys quickly point out, so rest assured your concerns do get through to us.

I'm responsible for both weapon and dropsuit balance so I apologize if I haven't responded as quickly as you'd like. We're taking a look at a few of the roles and will address some of the concerns with them in the not too distant future.

Thanks for the excellent feedback. It's always a pleasure to read well-explained posts.

I give exact numbers in the previous page but 770k ssp nets me 1 extra pg from engineering level 4 to level 5 and 3 extra from complex pg mod. spending millions of sp into pg reduction in weapons (light / sidearm) may save me around an extra 4 or 5.

For a more indepth analyses please look at my previous posts in this thread.

Hold on - wait...
Lets put it this way - how much PG do you use\need ATM?
By my calculations, you can get up to 85.8 PG with the bonuses(yes I know it'll cost millions in SP - I'm just saying)PLUS, there are PG reducing skills for weapons THUS, the combination of the PG boosting & reducing skills at a low level MAY allow a decent amount of PG use...
Have you already exhausted these options? O.O

Hold on - wait...
Lets put it this way - how much PG do you use\need ATM?
By my calculations, you can get up to 85.8 PG with the bonuses(yes I know it'll cost millions in SP - I'm just saying)PLUS, there are PG reducing skills for weapons THUS, the combination of the PG boosting & reducing skills at a low level MAY allow a decent amount of PG use...
Have you already exhausted these options? O.O

I posted this to support but they directed me back more it has more details regarding my findings on the Amarr Logi!:

I am going through calculations for getting complex PG and extra 5 pecent (to top engineering to 5) to get the full use of my Amarr Proto Logi suit imagine to my horror that this 770 sp is going to cost me one low slot (complex PG mod) and only an extra 4 PG on my suit.

I really don't understand how I am to compete and support in a proto level encounters when the PG is so low.

I have calculated that with all core skills at maximum (core skill + engineering) I will have 83 total pg to spread between 3 high 3 low 3 equipment a grenade and two weapons (light _ sidearm)

For the amarr medium frame I will have a total of 88 pg with two less equipment slots.

I do not understand that while the CPU is higher for the logi suit the pg is less but the pg needs for equipment are very high.

I understand the need for less slots than other logi's due to game balance on the sidearm.

However I do not understand that whilest the other 3 logi's have higher PG's than their assault variants the Amarr Logi is the only one to have LESS than their assault variant.

WHAT THIS MEANS

The Amarr Logi is supposed to be a bit of a tank hybrid that can take damage dish some out (though not as good as assault) whilest having reaonsable level of on field battle support.

Due to the pg being so low though what its doing is actually crippling the suit in the following ways.

The only way to get decent equipment (and im not talking all prototype). You have to use a PG complex mod (cpu to pg).

This means that you sacrifice 1 slot to compensate for the sever lack of pg.

Your now down to two low slots for defence wich one of has to be a complex rep to take any kind of advantage of the racial bonus and one slot for armour.

THis means that all other suits (logi's and assaults) have a huge low slot advantage over the Amarr Logi able to put extra rep modules or extra armour modules. This is exasibated even further where some of the logi's have four low slots to.

Due to only having two slots this also means that you are unable to take advantage of one of the main strengths of the suit that is the racial modifier. You can only practicly run one complex rep at the time as you need the other two for a armour buffer and pg unit. To take advantage of the 25 percent extra hps from rep modules you really need two repair modules going at the same time either two enhanced or two complex which is impossible.

I know I can take advantage of weapon pg to squeeze some extra pg space later on but 25 percent of weapon pg is not going to save to much at all. (I have calculated a rough gain of about 3 for main weapon and 1 or 2 for side weapon for a huge SP cost).

Here is my example proto fit with level 4 engineering just to give you some idea of the equipment I am carrying:

3 complex shields
1 enhanced armor
1 enhanced armor repper (only level 3 in armor reppers atm)
1 enhanced PG unit
Proto Cathum Scrambler rifle
Toxin SMG
EX 11 packed AV gren
K17/D nano hive
Core Focused remote repair tool
Kin Nano Injector

thats 356 shield (level 5 shield extender, level 3 shield ops)
299 armor (Level 3 armour op, level 3 armour)

485/491 CPU
94/94 PG

So at the moment I can only fit 5 proto gear and 6 enhanced items and 1 standerd item maxing out PG.

Please could you look into this because I think that the 66 PG is a genuine mistake on creating the suit at the very least it should be the same as the assault class and if the logi suit follows the examples of others it should have more.