Too ADD to read, I write my own material of that nature anyways

If the SSC part is deeply rooted and accepted, then the rest is just theory, practice and enthusiasm. =)

I-¦m working on my shibari right now.

No, he's arguing that his rewards should be proportionate to the effort/score/WP he put into it.

I'm not certain on his exact situation because I don't run suits at all, so I changed it to reflect the problem at large.

If you want to make money in Dust, you might as well afk at the MCC. It doesn't matter if I get a great score/WP and don't die once, I don't make any more money.

No, he's arguing that his rewards should be proportionate to the effort/score/WP he put into it.

I'm not certain on his exact situation because I don't run suits at all, so I changed it to reflect the problem at large.

If you want to make money in Dust, you might as well afk at the MCC. It doesn't matter if I get a great score/WP and don't die once, I don't make any more money.

I have a 10.5 and rising K/D and I barely make money running proto suits while other full proto players I know make upwards of 5m a day, I usually die more than them but get a proportional more amount of kills, some days I LOSE money. that's ridiculous.


EDIT: I forgot this major point, they get 500 WP 10-1 and get about 200k ISK I get 30 kills and 3 deaths with 1500+ WP and only get 400k ISK. that's the real issue. the game feeds noobs.

I've yet to learn anything like that, but I definitely want to, there's just so many fun things you can do Patience I suppose I'm not very social so the meeting people is touch and go at best, but I practice when and where I can lol :p

Take that, thread.

Get to know your local scene, see what-¦s happening around, if there are parties or a good Dungeon/Club. Knowing people improves your range of possibilities options and techniques. Also, have you heard about Fetlife? Worth taking a look at.

I've looked around fetlife but there seems to be like no activity in my area, whenever I do go on and look around. I just haven't seen much activity in general, but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place.

As a side note, this is a good example of why we need a message feature on these forums >_<

OK i just went up against you in and 3 otgher imperfects in an ambush match.

You went 21/2 i went 4/8... =P

I saw you die once and it looks like you break away from your group and ate the cost of your proto gear.

It doesn't "fix" the "unfairness" you are talking about...but maybe you should stay closer to you buddies so you can be revived.

If you can't earn money saving it might help you out.

Exactly. I brought my best fit to WIN. To earn hardcore WP. I didn't die in it. I did fantastic.


If I wanted to make MONEY I should just sit afk in the MCC.


Do you see why this is stupid as hell?

Sure, if you want to make 150,000 ISK, you can afk in high sec instant battles. You're playing for a tiny contract that is there so new players can make a little scratch to buy a couple of skill books before venturing forth into the "real game". You guys are just looking at things backwards. You're arguing FOR being able to make good ISK in the lowest risk area of the game, rather than incentivizing players to move out into the universe and actually participating in the emergent gameplay.

Not at all. Make ISK by using cheap gear to minimize the amount of money lose if you die. Win by using expensive gear to maximize your chances for victory. The gambling only comes in when you want to earn more ISK than you would in your cheap gear, and the solution is to not lose your expensive gear. If you can't earn more ISK than you would by farming in the MCC; use cheap gear or get better. There is no problem here.

So you believe prototype gear is designed around PC? Where isk efficiency is even MORE important? 8M/day split amonst 16 players is 500k each. That's barely above a pub match and doesn't count the extra logistics costs. It doesn't add up anywhere. If the increase in risk is higher than the increase in reward, it is better to reduce your risk and take more chances instead. And that is exactly what we find is effective in DUST. It is pointed out as a problem because that devalues the investment in suits and reduces variety in fits. And yes, punishes certain playstyles, like the aggressive assault.

I'm arguing that there should be a way to make money by performing well.

Come PC, there will be X amount of high pay contracts a day based upon how many places you control.

What do you think I'm going to do after my small corp plays our 1 or 2 games a day to defend our areas?

Am I going to try really hard in instant battles for no reward or am I going to AFK for similar rewards?

I-¦ll send ya a mail after i finish this match.

Everytime i look at the thread title i only see "Hey, if i play big at the stock market, i should totally get rewarded more, and if bad things happen, CCP central bank should bail me out"

Plain stupid.

Ignore my earlier posts where I say I die 0 times in almost all matches?

Its not about how much isk I make vs how much I lose. Its the fact that there's no incentive to even bother PLAYING. No incentive to get a great score. No incentive to field my great gear even if I die ZERO times.

I make similar money afking in the mcc.

Think before you post. READ before you post.

lol this must be a troll. Proto is never supposed to be profitable, in all honesty you will only see them brought up in the most important of matches especially as more skilled players devlope and you start having to hit your cap by playing organized squads in FW and PC.

Furthermore being aggressive does not mean you are running the most expensive suit you can fit, that's called trying to pad the k/d by bruteforcing over players who actually understand how the game economy works. The game would be broken if you could afford to loose more than 2-3 proto suites a match.

Either get good enough to where you never die more than once in any match you play or concede that you have to run more exonomically efficient.

Lastly you can be just as aggressive with a type-II suit as a proto, I have over 400 shields on my type-II its taken down many vk.1's in 1 vs 1 fights.

I'm arguing that there should be a way to make money by performing well.

Come PC, there will be X amount of high pay contracts a day based upon how many places you control.

What do you think I'm going to do after my small corp plays our 1 or 2 games a day to defend our areas?

Am I going to try really hard in instant battles for no reward or am I going to AFK for similar rewards?

Plain stupid.

Ignore my earlier posts where I say I die 0 times in almost all matches?

Its not about how much isk I make vs how much I lose. Its the fact that there's no incentive to even bother PLAYING. No incentive to get a great score. No incentive to field my great gear even if I die ZERO times.

I make similar money afking in the mcc.

Think before you post. READ before you post.

Hey look, someone who actually understands how risk vs reward works in Dust, here, have a +1

Plain stupid.

Ignore my earlier posts where I say I die 0 times in almost all matches?

Its not about how much isk I make vs how much I lose. Its the fact that there's no incentive to even bother PLAYING. No incentive to get a great score. No incentive to field my great gear even if I die ZERO times.

I make similar money afking in the mcc.

Think before you post. READ before you post.

TBF, most of these guys seem to be looking at the game from the perspective of instant battles being the meat and potatoes of the game, and at "proto gear" as the incentive for actually playing the game. I don't think they really yet see the bigger picture of the meta game, and how insignificant high sec instant battles for a couple hundred thousand ISK are likely to be.

I may speak for myself, I may have people who agree with me, but regardless, I think we need to have some important additions to the game: contracts.

We are MERCENARIES. We fight battles for MONEY.

I think, when we join a game, we should see some sort of contract.

50k ISK for simply enlisting in a battle.
another 150k ISK for winning the battle.
Bonuses for specific things that the employer wants out of the match. Do they want all of the railgun emplacements to survive the battle? 40k ISK bonus. Maybe they could have a rate they pay you for depleting the enemy's resources. Each kill will net you a quarter of that suit's cost. Killing a Bolas is worth 50k each.

tldr; I want contracts for our battles that inform us what we're getting paid and how to get bonuses. It'd be an easy addition to the game because they must have SOME system deciding how much we get paid, and some transparency in that system would be nice. People who want to play the system to make money can do so, that's just the free market, and it can be balanced pretty easily.

no you don't make anywhere near as much... you get a max of around 150k isk on a very very long skirmish where I continuously use 'raven' type-1 assaults, with an 'exile' and a 'toxin' with all blue print milita modules and equipment (the suit costs 0 isk) and still carry a 5+ k/d and make 300-400 thousand isk an Ambush which lasts around 10 mins.

AFK is a good way to farm SP however it is very inefficient for farming isk. You would have to run AFK matches well after you capped out just to reach a 2-3 million isk profit per week, which is really just pocket change.

I may speak for myself, I may have people who agree with me, but regardless, I think we need to have some important additions to the game: contracts.

We are MERCENARIES. We fight battles for MONEY.

I think, when we join a game, we should see some sort of contract.

50k ISK for simply enlisting in a battle.
another 150k ISK for winning the battle.
Bonuses for specific things that the employer wants out of the match. Do they want all of the railgun emplacements to survive the battle? 40k ISK bonus. Maybe they could have a rate they pay you for depleting the enemy's resources. Each kill will net you a quarter of that suit's cost. Killing a Bolas is worth 50k each.

tldr; I want contracts for our battles that inform us what we're getting paid and how to get bonuses. It'd be an easy addition to the game because they must have SOME system deciding how much we get paid, and some transparency in that system would be nice. People who want to play the system to make money can do so, that's just the free market, and it can be balanced pretty easily.

I can not believe that this thread is 8 pages long. There was nothing to say after reading the OP.