I don't play ambush that much because I don't run dropsuits I run tanks.

You reminded me and made it even CLEARER that the system is skewed. Running around in free suits getting a crap score is the BEST way to make money. The SECOND best way to make money is to afk. The THIRD best way to make money is to actually try hard, even if its in a free suit.


Trying hard and getting a good score shouldn't be third on that list.

In the game mode designed for new players to make tiny chunks of ISK to get some basic gear, I see absolutely no problem with this scenario. Sure, it can be used by the uber-lazy to afk farm trivial amounts of ISK, but the alternative is making the system even HARDER for brand new players to make some starting cash.

There is ZERO reason to create incentive for experienced players to use END GAME gear against new players in the starting area of the game.

poor as* try hard trying to be good at making isk.
just go afk on the mcc

And we come back round to the problem. After my small corp defends our few areas for the game, I should run around in ambush with bpo suits and go 5-0, (or 1-11, doesn't really matter) or afk in skirmish.

Huehuehue. #1

I don't play ambush that much because I don't run dropsuits I run tanks.

You reminded me and made it even CLEARER that the system is skewed. Running around in free suits getting a crap score is the BEST way to make money. The SECOND best way to make money is to afk. The THIRD best way to make money is to actually try hard, even if its in a free suit.


Trying hard and getting a good score shouldn't be third on that list.

The THIRD best way to make money is to actually try hard, even if its in a free suit.

That's complete BS. The correct order is
1. using proto without dying, and or being reaaly good with less expenive gear
2. doing relativly well in free gear
3. Proto gear without dying more than once, unless you're a heavy
4. getting a ****** score in free gear
5. AFKing
6. using gear that you don't have the skills to run.

When the difference between #5 and #1 is less than 100k in skirmish, I accomplish far more by doing #5 and have no real incentive to do #1.

Do you follow my train of thought now atleast?

And 100k is a completely insignificant amount of money for someone with enough SP and experience to be running proto gear in the first place. So, why the hell would you be stomping around in high sec instant battles anyway?

Why would CCP incentivize using end game gear in the starting noob friendly area? This is why payouts are so low, and winning doesn't matter. It's about farming tiny bits of ISK for new players.

When the difference between #5 and #1 is less than 100k in skirmish, I accomplish far more by doing #5 and have no real incentive to do #1.

Do you follow my train of thought now atleast?

We should have "leet" mode where personal performance has a bigger impact on rewards though. It would give all the "pro" players something to do, and also help reduce pubstomping new guys.

Of course, the rewards for doing poorly should also be extremely low so that "scubs" don't try to take advantage of it.

As far as I can tell, you basically just described FW.

As far as I can tell, you basically just described FW.

As far as I can tell, you basically just described FW.

Pretty sure we were told in IRC that FW rewards are equal to pubs.

I have a 10.5 and rising K/D and I barely make money running proto suits while other full proto players I know make upwards of 5m a day, I usually die more than them but get a proportional more amount of kills, some days I LOSE money. that's ridiculous.


EDIT: I forgot this major point, they get 500 WP 10-1 and get about 200k ISK I get 30 kills and 3 deaths with 1500+ WP and only get 400k ISK. that's the real issue. the game feeds noobs.

[beers] [CCP]Nullarbor: whats players motivation to do fw then?
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] exactly that, stacking teams
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] and eve ob
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] and to flip FW districts, if you care about such things
[BerenHurin] And what will the losing side get? Does the payout work the same as pub matches. All that the latest blog is clear about is FW gives SP.
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] payout in FW is the same for now
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] if its too tough and no one plays it we may raise the rewards
[BerenHurin] Same as what? Corp battles?
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] offer special loot etc
[@[CCP]Nullarbor] same as instant battle

Found it.



Trimmed for relevant stuff.

Dude did you make this thread because of a game earlier where i killed you 3-5 times when you were rocking proto?

Probably not.

See, you're not that special. He probably gets killed a lot in every match by more skilled players.