Because it's unfair that I do proportionally the same thing, but make less money.

His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive.

almighty gets 32 kills in a game and dies twice. he gets 500k from the match and loses 400k in suits, 100k profit.
random gets 3 kills in a game and dies 15 times. he gets 175k isk and loses 15k in suits, 160k profit.

THIS is my problem and also a very real example.

My K/D is not the important thing here.

The situation right now is 2x the risk is 1.2x the reward.

That's not the point. To be long term profitable, the increase in reward has to at LEAST match the increase in risk. Simplest example is doubling down. 2x risk, 2x reward. It may be balanced, but is completely counter-intuitive to have infinite run gear not profitable for even a small niche of players.

DUST DOESN'T REWARD BASED OFF OF PERFORMANCE. EVERYBODY BASICALLY GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF ISK+SP PER MATCH.


it's ridiculous at that.

No, he's arguing that his rewards should be proportionate to the effort/score/WP he put into it.

I'm not certain on his exact situation because I don't run suits at all, so I changed it to reflect the problem at large.

If you want to make money in Dust, you might as well afk at the MCC. It doesn't matter if I get a great score/WP and don't die once, I don't make any more money.

OK i just went up against you in and 3 otgher imperfects in an ambush match.

You went 21/2 i went 4/8... =P

I saw you die once and it looks like you break away from your group and ate the cost of your proto gear.

It doesn't "fix" the "unfairness" you are talking about...but maybe you should stay closer to you buddies so you can be revived.

If you can't earn money saving it might help you out.

I'm arguing that there should be a way to make money by performing well.

Come PC, there will be X amount of high pay contracts a day based upon how many places you control.

What do you think I'm going to do after my small corp plays our 1 or 2 games a day to defend our areas?

Am I going to try really hard in instant battles for no reward or am I going to AFK for similar rewards?

Everytime i look at the thread title i only see "Hey, if i play big at the stock market, i should totally get rewarded more, and if bad things happen, CCP central bank should bail me out"

lol this must be a troll. Proto is never supposed to be profitable, in all honesty you will only see them brought up in the most important of matches especially as more skilled players devlope and you start having to hit your cap by playing organized squads in FW and PC.

Furthermore being aggressive does not mean you are running the most expensive suit you can fit, that's called trying to pad the k/d by bruteforcing over players who actually understand how the game economy works. The game would be broken if you could afford to loose more than 2-3 proto suites a match.

Either get good enough to where you never die more than once in any match you play or concede that you have to run more exonomically efficient.

Lastly you can be just as aggressive with a type-II suit as a proto, I have over 400 shields on my type-II its taken down many vk.1's in 1 vs 1 fights.

I may speak for myself, I may have people who agree with me, but regardless, I think we need to have some important additions to the game: contracts.

We are MERCENARIES. We fight battles for MONEY.

I think, when we join a game, we should see some sort of contract.

50k ISK for simply enlisting in a battle.
another 150k ISK for winning the battle.
Bonuses for specific things that the employer wants out of the match. Do they want all of the railgun emplacements to survive the battle? 40k ISK bonus. Maybe they could have a rate they pay you for depleting the enemy's resources. Each kill will net you a quarter of that suit's cost. Killing a Bolas is worth 50k each.

tldr; I want contracts for our battles that inform us what we're getting paid and how to get bonuses. It'd be an easy addition to the game because they must have SOME system deciding how much we get paid, and some transparency in that system would be nice. People who want to play the system to make money can do so, that's just the free market, and it can be balanced pretty easily.

I don't play ambush that much because I don't run dropsuits I run tanks.

You reminded me and made it even CLEARER that the system is skewed. Running around in free suits getting a crap score is the BEST way to make money. The SECOND best way to make money is to afk. The THIRD best way to make money is to actually try hard, even if its in a free suit.


Trying hard and getting a good score shouldn't be third on that list.

The THIRD best way to make money is to actually try hard, even if its in a free suit.

When the difference between #5 and #1 is less than 100k in skirmish, I accomplish far more by doing #5 and have no real incentive to do #1.

Do you follow my train of thought now atleast?

As far as I can tell, you basically just described FW.

Reframe the question:

Under what circumstances DOES it make sense to use protogear?