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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:39:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:the game feeds noobs.
They are pub matches and are not meant for you. Or at least not meant for you to play in proto gear.
Actually i think it is pretty well designed from a game standpoint.
You cannot get rich farming Barrens in World of Warcraft and you can't get rich messing around in the Eve starter areas. This is pretty basic MMO design. Why should Dust be any different? |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:47:00 -
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hooc roht wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:the game feeds noobs. They are pub matches and are not meant for you. Or at least not meant for you to play in proto gear. Actually i think it is pretty well designed from a game standpoint. You cannot get rich farming Barrens in World of Warcraft and you can't get rich messing around in the Eve starter areas. This is pretty basic MMO design. Why should Dust be any different?
I do the same thing as everyone else only at a quicker pace, why should I be punished for being quick? |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:48:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Ignoring the fact that you act handle your money, how is this a problem? Aggression should be unpunishable?
I do handle my money very well, nothing I have doesn't get used. I do the same as other people but lose money because I do it at a quicker pace. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:49:00 -
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Re Warping Shooter wrote:Bro, I dont know why you are whining about your bad economy, that you cant sustain proto suits even if you kill 3000 mercs in the process, blah blah blah.
But no matter what, the ISK will be partially always the same. Today I won a match with 2500 WP and got exactly 300.000 ISK. If you cant farm ISK with MAR its because you dont want to or because you need a duvolle on your hands to do work.
Economy is fine. This post its like seeing somebody cry about being unable to restock 4 tanks at the same time.
I can sustain proto-suits first of all. I end up with like a 7-15 k/d running a 2k suit in skirmish. I can do work without gear ;D |
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Baal Roo
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:50:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:hooc roht wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:the game feeds noobs. They are pub matches and are not meant for you. Or at least not meant for you to play in proto gear. Actually i think it is pretty well designed from a game standpoint. You cannot get rich farming Barrens in World of Warcraft and you can't get rich messing around in the Eve starter areas. This is pretty basic MMO design. Why should Dust be any different? I do the same thing as everyone else only at a quicker pace, why should I be punished for being quick?
Why shouldn't you? You're dying more, get better at the game. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:53:00 -
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you can't go full ****** aggressive in a protosuit. play with an aggressive mind, but make sure you keep yourself in a good spot to retreat and don't get surrounded. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:53:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Re Warping Shooter wrote:Bro, I dont know why you are whining about your bad economy, that you cant sustain proto suits even if you kill 3000 mercs in the process, blah blah blah.
But no matter what, the ISK will be partially always the same. Today I won a match with 2500 WP and got exactly 300.000 ISK. If you cant farm ISK with MAR its because you dont want to or because you need a duvolle on your hands to do work.
Economy is fine. This post its like seeing somebody cry about being unable to restock 4 tanks at the same time. I can sustain proto-suits first of all. I end up with like a 7-15 k/d running a 2k suit in skirmish. I can do work without gear ;D
THEN WHAT IS THE FREAKING SENSE OF THIS WHOLE POST FFS!
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:54:00 -
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Baal Roo wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:hooc roht wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:the game feeds noobs. They are pub matches and are not meant for you. Or at least not meant for you to play in proto gear. Actually i think it is pretty well designed from a game standpoint. You cannot get rich farming Barrens in World of Warcraft and you can't get rich messing around in the Eve starter areas. This is pretty basic MMO design. Why should Dust be any different? I do the same thing as everyone else only at a quicker pace, why should I be punished for being quick? Why shouldn't you? You're dying more, get better at the game.
I get more kills and warpoints. that's why. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 02:55:00 -
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Re Warping Shooter wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Re Warping Shooter wrote:Bro, I dont know why you are whining about your bad economy, that you cant sustain proto suits even if you kill 3000 mercs in the process, blah blah blah.
But no matter what, the ISK will be partially always the same. Today I won a match with 2500 WP and got exactly 300.000 ISK. If you cant farm ISK with MAR its because you dont want to or because you need a duvolle on your hands to do work.
Economy is fine. This post its like seeing somebody cry about being unable to restock 4 tanks at the same time. I can sustain proto-suits first of all. I end up with like a 7-15 k/d running a 2k suit in skirmish. I can do work without gear ;D THEN WHAT IS THE FREAKING SENSE OF THIS WHOLE POST FFS!
Because it's unfair that I do proportionally the same thing, but make less money. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:01:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Re Warping Shooter wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Re Warping Shooter wrote:Bro, I dont know why you are whining about your bad economy, that you cant sustain proto suits even if you kill 3000 mercs in the process, blah blah blah.
But no matter what, the ISK will be partially always the same. Today I won a match with 2500 WP and got exactly 300.000 ISK. If you cant farm ISK with MAR its because you dont want to or because you need a duvolle on your hands to do work.
Economy is fine. This post its like seeing somebody cry about being unable to restock 4 tanks at the same time. I can sustain proto-suits first of all. I end up with like a 7-15 k/d running a 2k suit in skirmish. I can do work without gear ;D THEN WHAT IS THE FREAKING SENSE OF THIS WHOLE POST FFS! Because it's unfair that I do proportionally the same thing, but make less money. They didn't die, get better. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:02:00 -
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I run with a standard heavy suit that the total costs 48k, I rarely ever die I have a 7.89 k/d, I don't need proto suits to do it and I make a lot of isk. You get what you have coming when you run full proto. There is a reason I do not run my 200k suit, I would do better but at the cost dying one time and barely gaining isk or dying twice and not gaining any, I would happily choose lower stats with making bank. You deserve nothing for running proto in a pub match. If the people you know are getting isk doing it good for them they obviously are dying less than you are. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:02:00 -
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If you're doing the same thing in a proto suit compared to someone in a standard suit, then you should make less money then them. |
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I don't know if OP is serious or just trolling
welcome to my world...........not sure if srs......or just almighty..... |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:04:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Baal Roo wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:hooc roht wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:the game feeds noobs. They are pub matches and are not meant for you. Or at least not meant for you to play in proto gear. Actually i think it is pretty well designed from a game standpoint. You cannot get rich farming Barrens in World of Warcraft and you can't get rich messing around in the Eve starter areas. This is pretty basic MMO design. Why should Dust be any different? I do the same thing as everyone else only at a quicker pace, why should I be punished for being quick? Why shouldn't you? You're dying more, get better at the game. I get more kills and warpoints. that's why.
I don't see how those two things are relevant. If you can't make ISK with your dropsuit loadout, you need to either tweek the suit or change your gameplay.
Believe me when I say that the following isn't meant as an insult: This isn't Call of Duty, blindly charging forward to pad your KDR isn't the default way to play. As you've pointed out, your teammates have figured out how to improve, follow their lead and get better at THIS game rather than playing it like a different game and expecting the results you get in that other game. Slow down and think more about your ISK. |
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Quote: I don't see how those two things are relevant. If you can't make ISK with your dropsuit loadout, you need to either tweek the suit or change your gameplay.
Believe me when I say that the following isn't meant as an insult: This isn't Call of Duty, blindly charging forward to pad your KDR isn't the default way to play. As you've pointed out, your teammates have figured out how to improve, follow their lead and get better at THIS game rather than playing it like a different game and expecting the results you get in that other game. Slow down and think more about your ISK.
YOU seem to not understand, I do the EXACT same thing as them, kill the same people, same K/D same WP but I get rewarded proportionally LESS money, what they're doing fits them, that's cool, I want to do me. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:13:00 -
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Reiki Jubo wrote:ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Punished for poor economic sense. Protosuits aren't meant to be sustainable, dying at all will slow down your ISK growth rate. name one game where you get 10 kills and lose money. Dust 514. But only with idiots dumb enought to run proto every game. ![P](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_p.png) Me and some corp mates made a pack of Zion bust out their Proto gear. They barely beat us, two of my guys were runnin' militia. lol They sent one of us an invitation to join Saying somethin' about how are skills were being squandered... Silly Vets ![Roll](https://forums.dust514.com/Images/Emoticons/ccp_roll.png) |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:15:00 -
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posting in an almighty thread. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:26:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Quote: I don't see how those two things are relevant. If you can't make ISK with your dropsuit loadout, you need to either tweek the suit or change your gameplay.
Believe me when I say that the following isn't meant as an insult: This isn't Call of Duty, blindly charging forward to pad your KDR isn't the default way to play. As you've pointed out, your teammates have figured out how to improve, follow their lead and get better at THIS game rather than playing it like a different game and expecting the results you get in that other game. Slow down and think more about your ISK.
YOU seem to not understand, I do the EXACT same thing as them, kill the same people, same K/D same WP but I get rewarded proportionally LESS money, what they're doing fits them, that's cool, I want to do me.
If you were doing the "exact same thing" you would have the same results.
"Doing you" in this game is losing you money, this is one of those occasions where "adapt or die" is particularly relevant. You have identified where you are doing poorly, either fix it, keep losing money, or give a compelling reason why the game should be changed to accommodate your failings. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:33:00 -
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His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive. |
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Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive.
Players that perform better should be rewarded for playing well versus everybody getting the same rewards as we currently do. |
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Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive.
******* finally someone gets it. thanks noc. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:36:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive.
But this does not appear to be backed up with any factual information.
The metrics by which you determine "performance" will change whether or not the rewards are proportioned properly. When wearing expensive gear, one important performance metric is NOT DYING, assuming you are concerned about your ISK. |
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Baal Roo wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive. But this does not appear to be backed up with any factual information. The metrics by which you determine "performance" will change whether or not the rewards are proportioned properly. When wearing expensive gear, one important performance metric is NOT DYING, assuming you are concerned about your ISK.
Why are they rewarded 150k for getting 100 WP while I'm rewarded 250k for getting 1.5k wp? |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:39:00 -
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Welcome to new Eden... see if you can keep a 10.5 k/d using a type-II or better yet fill out a BPO Raven Type-1 Suit.
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Welcome to new Eden... see if you can keep a 10.5 k/d using a type-II or better yet fill out a BPO Raven Type-1 Suit.
I'll still raise it because I'll change my gameplay lmao. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:41:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive. ******* finally someone gets it. thanks noc.
I assure you, I "get it", the problem is that you are simply wrong. Your argument is that the way Dust should function is that the more expensive gear you use and the more kills you get, the more money you make. That is NOT how Dust works, and thus your metrics for success are askew. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:42:00 -
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ALM1GHTY STATIUS wrote:Baal Roo wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive. But this does not appear to be backed up with any factual information. The metrics by which you determine "performance" will change whether or not the rewards are proportioned properly. When wearing expensive gear, one important performance metric is NOT DYING, assuming you are concerned about your ISK. Why are they rewarded 150k for getting 100 WP while I'm rewarded 250k for getting 1.5k wp?
Because they died less. It's not rocket science. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:43:00 -
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Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive. They are proportional to his performance, he died in a protosuit, he lost money. If he had died in a militia suit he would have lost less money.
He's complaining that he isn't gaining ISK at a fast enough rate, dying less would increase that rate.
Almighty gets 32 kills and earns 500 K ISK for that match, he also died once. Random gets 30 kills and earns 400 K ISk, he didn't die.
Almighty got more ISK, but he now has to replace his 200K fitting, so he really only gained 300K for that match. He knows what he has to do to increase his ISK gain rate, die less, but he's being stupid and instead complaining for no reason. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:48:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Noc Tempre wrote:His point is that rewards are not proportional to performance. Instead they are flattened by bringing the top down. IRL the curve goes the other direction, which makes this further unintitive. They are proportional to his performance, he died in a protosuit, he lost money. If he had died in a militia suit he would have lost less money. He's complaining that he isn't gaining ISK at a fast enough rate, dying less would increase that rate. Almighty gets 32 kills and earns 500 K ISK for that match, he also died once. Random gets 30 kills and earns 400 K ISk, he didn't die. Almighty got more ISK, but he now has to replace his 200K fitting, so he really only gained 300K for that match. He knows what he has to do to increase his ISK gain rate, die less, but he's being stupid and instead complaining for no reason.
almighty gets 32 kills in a game and dies twice. he gets 500k from the match and loses 400k in suits, 100k profit. random gets 3 kills in a game and dies 15 times. he gets 175k isk and loses 15k in suits, 160k profit.
THIS is my problem and also a very real example. |
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Posted - 2013.04.28 03:48:00 -
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If I don't have infinitely high KDR ratio for some 5-7 matches in a row I go negative.
Do I cry? No. |
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