I'll say it one final time and maybe you people will see. After my small corp defends our 1 or 2 areas we control in PC, the best way to make money is it afk.


There should be some freaking outlet for making ISK based on performance. I want to earn ISK for having good WP. Nothing more. Nothing less.

name one game where you get 10 kills and lose money.

WP nets you money.
Not K/D.

You should have noticed this by now, OP.
You've been playing way too long to be so dense.

Try doing more, than rushing in proto-blitzing.
Rez a fallen blueberry. Hack some turrets. Leave some nanohives for allies. Be a gunner in someone's tank.

Be a team player, and earn some WP.

WP = Money.

Crush you in game later kthxbai.

Yeah, this is what I don't get about the argument. They say they want to be rewarded for "good performance", but they are basing their metrics of performance on different metrics than those used in the game.

It's like if they were playing a game of chess, and in the middle of the game they pick up your queen and throw it as far as then can, then say

"look how freaking far I just threw that! What do I get for throwing the queen so far?"

When they're told "you don't get awarded in chess for throwing things really far" they argue "but in SHOTPUT throwing things really far is how you win, how come I can't win by throwing things really far in chess? THIS GAME SUCKS I'M NOT BEING REWARDED FOR GOOD PERFORMANCE!"

it's really bizarre and entitled behavior.


Now, I do agree OTOH, that they AFK thing COULD lead to a problem in the future if it becomes a successful way of earning more than 10,000 ISK per minute in other modes. Right now, it seems like a good way to earn ISK, because all we have to play is Instant Battles in High Sec. However, once other incentives are given to go out and actually play other modes designed for end-game level players I suspect 10,000 ISK per minute will look like the colossal time waster that I assume it will be.

Surely people realize that barely making enough ISK in an instant battle to buy a single proto-fit is intentional?

Yeah, this is what I don't get about the argument. They say they want to be rewarded for "good performance", but they are basing their metrics of performance on different metrics than those used in the game.

It's like if they were playing a game of chess, and in the middle of the game they pick up your queen and throw it as far as then can, then say

"look how freaking far I just threw that! What do I get for throwing the queen so far?"

When they're told "you don't get awarded in chess for throwing things really far" they argue "but in SHOTPUT throwing things really far is how you win, how come I can't win by throwing things really far in chess? THIS GAME SUCKS I'M NOT BEING REWARDED FOR GOOD PERFORMANCE!"

it's really bizarre and entitled behavior.


Now, I do agree OTOH, that they AFK thing COULD lead to a problem in the future if it becomes a successful way of earning more than 10,000 ISK per minute in other modes. Right now, it seems like a good way to earn ISK, because all we have to play is Instant Battles in High Sec. However, once other incentives are given to go out and actually play other modes designed for end-game level players I suspect 10,000 ISK per minute will look like the colossal time waster that I assume it will be.

Surely people realize that barely making enough ISK in an instant battle to buy a single proto-fit is intentional?

You already got all the ingredients to the cake, OP. You're just not mixing it right.
Go to a match, and think "what else can I do while Im here to earn some WP?" and you'll be set.

also WP= money is not entirely true, the system is actually tuned against protos as you get isk based on value destroyed.

so if I kill10 proto suits and you kill 30 mlt suits we both get roughly the same isk, this is something a lot of protos don't do right as they avoid high level fights to protect their investment when fighting those suits are more likely to give a better return on investment.

I have a 10.5 and rising K/D and I barely make money running proto suits while other full proto players I know make upwards of 5m a day, I usually die more than them but get a proportional more amount of kills, some days I LOSE money. that's ridiculous.


EDIT: I forgot this major point, they get 500 WP 10-1 and get about 200k ISK I get 30 kills and 3 deaths with 1500+ WP and only get 400k ISK. that's the real issue. the game feeds noobs.

so if I kill10 proto suits and you kill 30 mlt suits we both get roughly the same isk, this is something a lot of protos don't do right as they avoid high level fights to protect their investment when fighting those suits are more likely to give a better return on investment.

name one game where you get 10 kills and lose money.

I do handle my money very well, nothing I have doesn't get used. I do the same as other people but lose money because I do it at a quicker pace.

OP's post is a great argument for changing K/D to ISK destroyed/ISK lost

I have a 10.5 and rising K/D and I barely make money running proto suits while other full proto players I know make upwards of 5m a day, I usually die more than them but get a proportional more amount of kills, some days I LOSE money. that's ridiculous.


EDIT: I forgot this major point, they get 500 WP 10-1 and get about 200k ISK I get 30 kills and 3 deaths with 1500+ WP and only get 400k ISK. that's the real issue. the game feeds noobs.

almighty gets 32 kills in a game and dies twice. he gets 500k from the match and loses 400k in suits, 100k profit.
random gets 3 kills in a game and dies 15 times. he gets 175k isk and loses 15k in suits, 160k profit.

THIS is my problem and also a very real example.

I have a 10.5 and rising K/D and I barely make money running proto suits while other full proto players I know make upwards of 5m a day, I usually die more than them but get a proportional more amount of kills, some days I LOSE money. that's ridiculous.


EDIT: I forgot this major point, they get 500 WP 10-1 and get about 200k ISK I get 30 kills and 3 deaths with 1500+ WP and only get 400k ISK. that's the real issue. the game feeds noobs.

AFK farm almighty AFK farm.

OH WOW THIS IS A PROBLEM?!

run cheaper gear problem solved.

almighty gets 32 kills in a game and dies twice. he gets 500k from the match and loses 400k in suits, 100k profit.
random gets 3 kills in a game and dies 15 times. he gets 175k isk and loses 15k in suits, 160k profit.

THIS is my problem and also a very real example.

Really, your logic doesn't make sense how do you advance if your just gonna start losing money buying better gear? Games are about advancing and you can't advance when your to afraid to buy better gear because your gonna lose it so you stay using your type I suit or militia.

two words:diminishing returns
If you want more isk you have to play with a cheaper fit.
Choose Isk or KDR, DUST is not only a FPS it's also a RPG.

No. Why does RPG appear no where on the DUST514 frontpage?

If anything the front page advertises how IMPORTANT dust SUPPOSEDLY will be.

And again, like I said earlier in this thread, having to resort to cheaper fits when one is skilled for the good stuff is contradictory to the reasons one should want to ''level up''.

Nobody can admit that the economics in this build were plucked. Fanboys can't admit anything's flawed about that pole.