It is all about teamwork and fps skill. Kade is correct. No amount of SP or gear makes me a better merc. The quality of my team, ability of my squad and skill at fps as an individual is the only thing that determines the out come. I am terrible at shooters and if I lone wolf I usually rank at the bottom in WP and kills. If I join a squad and we play as a group and communicate with each other I am in the to 5 from both teams. My skill didn't increase and I have the same gear. Tactics and team work - as with all things military - win in the end.

"If we hit that bulls eye the rest of the dominoes will fall like a house of cards...checkmate."

I can do pretty well with my ALTS. So I respectfully disagree with you.

I dont even know what HTFU means, or where it came from.

The problem is people come into the game thinking they are king of cod and get knocked down a notch. New players should be forced to watch the "training" movie about 10 times. 99% of the information needed to play, upgrade and specialize is in that movie. New players and old players alike make bad SP choices, so what. My 13 year old son had no problems at all starting and learning to skill. Matter of fact his first character - the one he plays all the time - had the passive SP turned off and was only collecting active SP. He has been playing for two months with no active. He does well with 600k SP and loves the game. The person who is do the crying fault that the game is too complicated and they can't understand it. It is math, learn it. Read. It is amazing what you can learn by reading and then stopping to think. I have not helped my son (with the exception of turning on passive SP after seeing his earned SP was so low) at all, I did not explain anything, tell him how to specialize or recommend a corp. He is not a super genius and knew nothing of EVE or DUST before Jan 21 of this year. The argument that the new players are behind and cannot compete with vets is invalid and to be honest is silly. All games that have a multiplayer part have a learning curve for new players to over come. People who rage quit are the same people who don't read, do math or try. Suck it up and stop crying. I have brought at least 6 new players to the game. They all have said that it is complicated but none have quit because they can read, do math and have some social skills that allow them to become better and join squads and corporations. The people who are crying for new player bonuses, respecs and whatever else are mad because they suck at the game or just like crying about people better than themselves.

A TRAINING SYSTEM.

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If you plan on replying telling me why repecs are bad ideas don't bother. The thread was many pages, I've heard all the excuses and still disagree. It's the easiest and quickest solution to the issue. Which is, if new players don't start getting put through a thorough training system soon and I do mean soon, then they need someone to throw them a bone somewhere... and if CCP hasn't already made a killer training simulator that's just waiting for implementation and the go ahead from SONY, there's no other bone available. Newbs be rage quitting.

The problem is people come into the game thinking they are king of cod and get knocked down a notch. New players should be forced to watch the "training" movie about 10 times. 99% of the information needed to play, upgrade and specialize is in that movie. New players and old players alike make bad SP choices, so what. My 13 year old son had no problems at all starting and learning to skill. Matter of fact his first character - the one he plays all the time - had the passive SP turned off and was only collecting active SP. He has been playing for two months with no active. He does well with 600k SP and loves the game. The person who is doing the crying is at fault for the game is too complicated and they can't understand it. It is math, learn it. Read. It is amazing what you can learn by reading and then stopping to think. I have not helped my son (with the exception of turning on passive SP after seeing his earned SP was so low) at all, I did not explain anything, tell him how to specialize or recommend a corp. He is not a super genius and knew nothing of EVE or DUST before Jan 21 of this year. The argument that the new players are behind and cannot compete with vets is invalid and to be honest is silly. All games that have a multiplayer part have a learning curve for new players to over come. People who rage quit are the same people who don't read, do math or try. Suck it up and stop crying. I have brought at least 6 new players to the game. They all have said that it is complicated but none have quit because they can read, do math and have some social skills that allow them to become better and join squads and corporations. The people who are crying for new player bonuses, respecs and whatever else are mad because they suck at the game or just like crying about people better than themselves.

You used crying twice in a sentence. Luckily it was the final sentence in your paragraph so i actually did read the whole thing. Some things about what you said really strike me as odd though. Your son is 13? Prime video gamer age and he needs help from his father to play a video game? You said he didn't, but he did, he missed his passive booster gains for 2 months ... two months, that's pretty big. It's understandable though, after all he's not a super genius or anything. Maybe you should have sat him down and forced him to watch the same video TEN TIMES... to bad there's no proper training system.

Anyway, not to burst your big bubble of super non genius family and friends, but the people in this thread are not newbs. They are trying to help newbs and DUST's player retention. OK I lied. I'm trying to burst your bubble. Maybe you should read this thread again. Silly and invalid.... indeed.

This is an idea I could get behind. But because of the changing nature of DUST, it's unreasonable for a pre-designed system to be kept up-to-date on all the relevant information. Covering the basics THOROUGHLY is already done in the intro video, but there isn't much in-game encouragement to pay attention, and there isn't enough emphasis on "seriously, you DO want to know more. When I'm asking that, it's only a courtesy. Saying 'no' is a stupid idea and will get you murdered horribly and repeatedly.

Another good option is to encourage a "mentor" program - or recommend DUST University and other training Corps.

Maybe they could make teh NPC Corps fucntion more like mentor programs for new players. Experienced players are given some kind of encouragement/incentive to help out new arrivals to the game, by placing their characters (or alts) into a position of authority within one of the NPC Corps, and when a new player needs help, they get handed off to a more experienced player who shows them the ropes.


So if you've heard all the reasons and you disagree, then you have a solid argument to counter them? Because if so, you should probably share that in one of the respec threads, because I certainly haven't seen anything resembling a compelling argument in favour of a respec in any of them yet.

Why are you insulting the man's son for? You think that anyone here is going to like you more for being a jerk?

[You used crying twice in a sentence. Luckily it was the final sentence in your paragraph so i actually did read the whole thing. Some things about what you said really strike me as odd though. Your son is 13? Prime video gamer age and he needs help from his father to play a video game? You said he didn't, but he did, he missed his passive booster gains for 2 months ... two months, that's pretty big. It's understandable though, after all he's not a super genius or anything. Maybe you should have sat him down and forced him to watch the same video TEN TIMES... to bad there's no proper training system.

Anyway, not to burst your big bubble of super non genius family and friends, but the people in this thread are not newbs. They are trying to help newbs and DUST's player retention. OK I lied. I'm trying to burst your bubble. Maybe you should read this thread again. Silly and invalid.... indeed.

or at the very least have peoples mics starting in the on position.

There's certainly no possibility his son was using passive SP to train up an alt while using his main, right?
There's certainly no possibility his son's main was created on the father's account and he kept the passive SP on his own character, right?

I've seen a 17 year old with multiple learning disabilities pick the game up and come out with a 4:1 KDR at the end of his first day. He has severe enough dyslexia that he was put into remedial classes for almost everything in High School, and not only was he good at the FPS gameplay, but he managed to figure out the skill system and the basics of the marketplace just fine by watching the tutorials and being patient with all the on-screen text.

I lost count a LONG time ago of how many times I've said this.

Voice NEEDS to default to "on" - and with the PTT button in a less-than-intuitive position on the d-pad, it would be nice to see that default to "off" as well. Been calling for both of those things since they added PTT, and before PTT I was asking for voice to default to on. Still hasn't happened.

Ok ok, some people can figure it out, we all know that, all of us did right? I have only been arguing the point that this game is missing the real tutorials that all games have now. Not the reading kind, the hands on move your guy shoot at things this is how this works walkthrough that everybody has become accustomed to. Without it, we're losing people as the SP gap grows and the problem compounds.

There's certainly no possibility his son was using passive SP to train up an alt while using his main, right?
There's certainly no possibility his son's main was created on the father's account and he kept the passive SP on his own character, right?

I've seen a 17 year old with multiple learning disabilities pick the game up and come out with a 4:1 KDR at the end of his first day. He has severe enough dyslexia that he was put into remedial classes for almost everything in High School, and not only was he good at the FPS gameplay, but he managed to figure out the skill system and the basics of the marketplace just fine by watching the tutorials and being patient with all the on-screen text.

your TLDR was longer then your original statement lol

Takahiro - sec status really doesn't help. As stated before in this thread, SP isn't the great leveller - actual skill levels are. If you have lightning fast reflexes, and precision aiming, you're going to do much better than someone who's been playing nothing but strategy games for the last five years, assuming equal SP. The game is more about teamwork and situational awareness than proper fighting ability - an assault dropsuit can be dropped in as little as half a second by another assault. If you're caught with your pants down, no matter how good you are, chances are you're dead.

The problem is not a problem at all.
First, once PvE comes around, new players will have a way to catch up.

Second, they should do what EVE players do, instead of being all around good they should specialize.
You don't see my crying in EVE that my character has 10mil SP when people around me have 100mil.

In my experience with mics I have found that if there is no mic connected then the open mics get garbage. I like the mics off. If you have a mic then you should be aware of the settings. However, I would like a setting that turned the push to talk into a toggle on /off.

He only has made one character and our PlayStations are totally separate. I have my own personal account and he has his

Again, for the last kittening time, the SP gap is not a problem. The problem is the skill levels of the players themselves. You can very well hold your own in a militia fit. A friend I introduced to the game a couple days ago went 3/4 in his first ambush, with 4 assists.

And you really don't need a tutorial for "this is how to aim. This is how to move. This is how to shoot, this is how to ADS." Those are controls people will test out at their earliest convenience. Not to mention that the controls are shown in the loading screens anyway. A couple of games and you get used to it.

Yeah, actually I agree to a point. The tutorial I was thinking about was a bit more hands on though. Maybe playing through several scenarios like,... cross the field and hack objective A,, then you cross the field and if you don't move from cover to cover you get pegged by a sniper. Or.... keep your heavy alive mission, where you're a logi and he's taking fire and you have to repair / revive him until he kills the attackers... or stick with your squad mission etc etc. I can think of a few games that have stuff like this and you simply can't start the game until it's clear that you get it and passed the tutorial. Something like this would really introduce new players into this FPS's gameplay and make them better newbs.

But I digress, I think this game will succeed regardless.... it would just be a WONDERFUL addition.

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Oh come on Garret, haha,,,, I wasn't insulting his son. He said his son didn't turn on his passive. It's safe to move on.