Again I say...got a link?!?!

Not true... I started again a couple of weeks ago after taking a break for 7 months. I'd effectively not played since the middle of closed beta. I came back, and true, I went 46/70 in my first few games, but after that I came back and I'm currently hovering at about 1.1 KDR. Around that, anyway, I'm not near my PS3 so I can't check the stats.

So having gone away for 6 months (not having played any shooter whatsoever), coming back to the game with only 500k SP, with my favourite character starting off in the wrong profession (arbiter instead of enforcer) I still, within a week, started going positive on every game. I usually get over 1.5k WP on skirmish, normally above 600 on ambush, and that's with 1.1m SP.

It's not particularly SP that counts; it helps, true, but it's not everything. Situational awareness and teamwork are much better at determining how well you do. If you want to lone wolf it, then fine, be prepared to have a bad kdr and be ready to QQ. But don't make it simply about SP - higher SP simply gives you an advantage, not an "I win" button.

I refuse - Anyone I care about around here already knows and your nobody to waste that sort of effort on. The basis of this conversation is as such : RESET IS DUMB.

You cannot simply come to a conclusion on this topic based on your own skill level and success, not everybody is as good as you nor do people play the game as often. Fact is, no NEW casual player can pick up this game and have even a small remote sense of fun because of the matchmaking.

Not really i role militia fits all day everyday and seem to be still getting a high k/d but also this wont be much of a problem when the whole high sec and null sec come into play

You cannot simply come to a conclusion on this topic based on your own skill level and success, not everybody is as good as you nor do people play the game as often. Fact is, no NEW casual player can pick up this game and have even a small remote sense of fun because of the matchmaking.

I know you from DCUO I am xJenovax

Im sorry im not that nstomper you know from dcuo , i met that guy a while ago on C.A.M ( come at me ) suicideslums.enjin.com and we basically got things covered my old name on here was nutt stomper and i had to change it

out of experiment today i rolled a new alt and after 4-5 rounds of blind frustration that no matter what i did i was not going to kill anything above a basic player, i want back to old character and notice that because i dont play nearly as much as a i used too. im now getting face panned because i don't have the leet gear required to compete. My skill no longer matters at all.

and im starting to worry that the reason i dont see many newb corps in the scoreboards anymore is that anyone new gets facerolled in minutes, and just goes to pick something else up. their are three heavy hitters coming out in the next few months and I know one has already taken a large hit on the vet playerbase because i saw them all running around in it. Put simply unlike in EvE if your a new guy in dust or player who simply does not have the time to keep up. You will lose end off no question.

and before the trolls common here going HTFU. In EvE you have other things to do if your on a bad roll. in Dust thier is no other option than lose, and that will bleep players like no tomorrow, Every other shooter out their has things in place if you cant compleat in dust the vets and newbs are throw together and surprise surprise.

i dont really know how to make my point other than Dust is building it self up for a legacy issue that has plaged EvE. Vets will remain godlike and newbs will never ever be able to catch up, this gap is becoming wider and wider every month and simply don't see how in the current gameplay this can be fixed, my key worry is that 5 month in, myself someone who is been hear from the start can no longer gain any enjoyment due to constant frustrating not enjoyable fights match after match to point i just quit beucase i can tell after 3 minutes if im going to win or lose.

fix the game progression before you kill off your own game.

put another way, on other beta forums i see nothing but people looking forward to its release, on here i still see nothing but problems and new patch is completely untested and already had has holes poked in it. In my honest view this game needs to go back to drawing board and work out what type of game it wants to be because right now its failing to even do the basics right

You were right to expect a bit of rage. This idea is a huge step towards CoD and I'd be very pissed if CCP considered it.

I'd hate Dust if it become a CoD clone, I'm not talking about "one shot" people, but, for example, instead of 45 Militia AR shots to kill a full proto lower it to 15-20. Game would be faster (not too much) and smart guys can go behind protos and kill them easily. If I had a new char and I try to do this on my own first character, the first character would have all the time to turn around, smoke a cigarette, laugh on my militia suit and kill me!

I'm sorry but what?

New players or players with no mentors/corp either don't know what they're doing or they need help.

Pubstomps happen everyday with players getting 0 kills and quitting the game. If you're going to sit here and basically say HTFU then you MUST be one of those players who don't see the consequence of all of this in the long run.

Once the flow of players become stale, and we're all facing the same people over and over and over again, the game will not be fun.

No one has to be "equal" but we must take into account the major differences between newer players or and older players.

If anything we need a match making system that's based on SP. Those in the 2 Mil or less get grouped together. Those in the 3-4 mil get grouped together. Those in the 5-6 mil get grouped together and 7-mil onward is fair game. And if players squad up together, the average of their SP count should be taken and used to placed them in a match.

Something like that would be a way better system than just letting the newbies waste their ISK against us.

I think a reset is pointless. Even if they did, after a month we'll be in the same situation. People who played since the reset will have their fancy gear and any new players will be getting slaughtered and bitching about it on the forums. Or they'll leave. Some might even call for another reset.

All they really need to do is have match making working properly. Newbs can play with newbs and all the ****-socking, no-lifers in protogear can play with eachother. Let's also not forget PVE should be working by then as well so the noobs will be able to farm their SP from rouge drones and whatnot.

I'm really not keen on grinding up my SP for a third time. I'd do it of course but fecking hell my patience is getting thin.

Roy, the very large majority of good players will be spending the very large majority of their time in FW and PC, leaving instant battles in high sec for new players to battle each other in.

See. I honestly believed in that beforehand until I read someone's post in the forums which gave a good reason why PC won't stop the good players from hopping into instances. Can't remember the exact words though.

I'm seriously hoping that my doubts are wrong in the end so that newer players come in, and we get a good circulation.

Crafting.

/discussion

Again, almost every MMO ever made has the grind up to level cap. Dust 514 is no different. Once you grind up to proto gear you can't get any more powerful, and you basically start grinding what would be in other games, another class. In this particular game, your main just gets to switch classes at will.

Once you've levels your first set of full proto, you have effectively "caught up" to the people who have been playing longer than you.

The more casual gamers will leave after getting 0 kills and their ass beat. I know because I have friends who QQ to me about how Dust "sucks" because they can't achieve much at the start.

Edit: Idec if they can't achieve crap but if they're going 0 all day, every day and barely making 1k SP a round while trying the best they can. Something's up.

Yes. Casual players do matter because Dust 514 is supposed to integrate casuals into some of it's gameplay. At least have it so that players who haven't officially gotten 2 mil must start off in an "Easier" battle.

You wouldn't put an athlete after days worth of training in a competition with someone who's been practicing for years, right? Of course this is a exaggeration in terms of scale but the issue holds true. Players who have 4 Mil SP know what they're doing. Any player you know that has about 4 Mil SP and doesn't know what they're doing is a part of a minority.

You know what I can do with 4 Mil SP focused on one thing compared to a merc with just 1 Mil SP? A whole lot. So much the player would think it's unfair and it is, in fact, not fair. I don't care how good of an aim you have, you penetrating a Proto-wearing Pub-Stomper in a militia suit is most likely not happening without your skills being really focused into it. You can't run as fast as them. You can't fire as fast as them. You can't reload as fast as them. But you do die a whole lot faster than anyone.

I'm all about HTFU but there are certain areas that this doesn't apply to.

I was more than sure my match-making idea wasn't perfect but it's at least a step in the right direction. Something needs to be done about this, and if not Dust will take a critical hit. It definitely won't fail but it won't be as successful as it should be.

The more casual gamers will leave after getting 0 kills and their ass beat. I know because I have friends who QQ to me about how Dust "sucks" because they can't achieve much at the start.

Edit: Idec if they can't achieve crap but if they're going 0 all day, every day and barely making 1k SP a round while trying the best they can. Something's up.

Yes. Casual players do matter because Dust 514 is supposed to integrate casuals into some of it's gameplay. At least have it so that players who haven't officially gotten 2 mil must start off in an "Easier" battle.

You wouldn't put an athlete after days worth of training in a competition with someone who's been practicing for years, right? Of course this is a exaggeration in terms of scale but the issue holds true. Players who have 4 Mil SP know what they're doing. Any player you know that has about 4 Mil SP and doesn't know what they're doing is a part of a minority.

You know what I can do with 4 Mil SP focused on one thing compared to a merc with just 1 Mil SP? A whole lot. So much the player would think it's unfair and it is, in fact, not fair. I don't care how good of an aim you have, you penetrating a Proto-wearing Pub-Stomper in a militia suit is most likely not happening without your skills being really focused into it. You can't run as fast as them. You can't fire as fast as them. You can't reload as fast as them. But you do die a whole lot faster than anyone.

I'm all about HTFU but there are certain areas that this doesn't apply to.

I was more than sure my match-making idea wasn't perfect but it's at least a step in the right direction. Something needs to be done about this, and if not Dust will take a critical hit. It definitely won't fail but it won't be as successful as it should be.