So YOU and the "vets" should be rewarded for AFK farming? anyways wipe no wipe either way is fine. Let's get back to this dumb CCP is facing LEGAL issues because they haven't 100% delivered on their words for a damn BETA lol you are clearly making crap up. You can't sue a company for not making their BETA version to your standards.

I have created 5 characters to mess with different weapons and left them all around 550k sp and all of them have a KDR >2.0 playing purely ambush. Even on my main and first character I run mostly militia gear, (the first militia suit with 2 equipment slots, militia shield extenders, militia armor reps, and an exile, the refit costs 1.6k isk) and as a result I have accumulated 50 million isk with a KDR of 2.0 and around 1500 kills.

With that said experience and skills matters up to a point for example it is impossible to kill a a decent skilled person with 3 complex shield extenders because you cant put them down with 1 clip of the AR at least the militia one (chalked that from personal experience). However, I created a Shot gunner and I have no problems taking down a heavy/assault proto players with just the militia shotgun provided i get the jump on them.

So it might be more difficult to kill someone with more sp it is not impossible and anyone thinks they can go toe to toe with someone with more SP they are dreaming. Part of being a good player is knowing your weakness and adjusting your play style.

stop trolling dude start a separate thread if you care so much get back to the topic at hand.

I see where your getting at - but balancing heavies shield/HP has been a huge task for CCP and I doubt they'd want to go through that hell again after finding a balance the community agrees with. I like where your headed with your idea - but idk if it would fit right in dust.

In every game ever made new players have a disadvantage.

If people are getting there ass kicked there not gonna leave just for that reason. They would have not much interest in the game in the first place.

The problem with that is that every other shooter has a skill level cap to where eventually,everyone will hit it,no matter how much or little you play.Since there's no level cap,there are some players that don't play enough to keep up with the pack.The thing is though,that's totally on them,but it's still a double edged sword that can end up hurting the game.

the lesson is tiered contracts some place that will draw the pros to play somewhere other newbear central with better rewards.

I have the same problem on my Alt. It's just so far behind in SP that getting it requires lots of time. However I run my Alt lonewolf so a squad would probably help.

But the best solution is to fix the matchmaking system.

You cannot simply come to a conclusion on this topic based on your own skill level and success, not everybody is as good as you nor do people play the game as often. Fact is, no NEW casual player can pick up this game and have even a small remote sense of fun because of the matchmaking.

In every game ever made new players have a disadvantage.

Once you hit a few million, the differences are negligible. I've not even hit 5 million SP total yet and it's rare for me to not be top 5 on the scoreboards.

I'm on 1.2 and it's rare that I'm not in the top 5, and I lone wolf it most of the time...

The problem with that is that every other shooter has a skill level cap to where eventually,everyone will hit it,no matter how much or little you play.Since there's no level cap,there are some players that don't play enough to keep up with the pack.The thing is though,that's totally on them,but it's still a double edged sword that can end up hurting the game.

This is a valid point. Unfortunately, the only solution for this is for newberries to get good. We can't give them a mechanic for improved SP so they can catch up to the vets - chances are they'll just waste it, thinking they'll keep getting it at an advanced rate, and spend it in any skills they fancy at that time. We have to give them a chance to learn the game mechanics, and they can also be given a learning course (DUST University's a great idea - maybe have a pop-up when you first create a character, informing you about it?) . Militia fits are able to hold their own, anything above just confers an increasing advantage. For example, a complex shield extender only gives you an extra two shots worth of damage from a militia AR.

so the general gist of this thread is the new player experience sucks and if your new your going to get panned regardless of gear. or SP so we have the other harder to fix problem is that vets are just running around stomping newbs who would not have had to the time to learn the game or find good teams to group with.

i would also remind players here that when you make a new alt your not a new player you have all that basic info to help inform you. for example you see a black suit you know to run away because you cant kill it or to engage it differently. a new player will simple not have that information in his head and thus will try and fail to kill it in a straight up one on one.

i feel the frustration coming out is not knowing what the hell is going on. i think maybe a better threat indicator while highlighting a suit would help the newbs (maybe as a peace of gear) so if player looks at a Vet the screen flashes a danger sign or something, that way if they get spanked they were at least warned it was coming.

I agree its the perception thats causing the problem which needs to be fixed rather than anything else.
(also being blindingly drunk does not help either in my case :P)

hovering your cross-hairs over a target will show the effectiveness of your weapon against said target.

Surt, I got your point, but the point is being made that newberries, or people with low SP, are struggling to do well against those with high SP. As contrary examples, a few of us have pointed out that we have under 1mil SP (or around 1mil SP) and do well against those with higher SP. Nowhere have we said that we consider ourselves "skilled" players. I, for one, know that I have a lot of room for improvement. The point is that if a player is bad at an FPS, they'll do badly, regardless of their SP. If they can point and shoot, or support, or whatever, they'll do well.

The point is that SP doesn't make a bad player good. A bad player is bad no matter what equipment he uses. A lot of people simply don't *think* when they play the game, so lose time and time again. A good player does otherwise.

matchmaking? lol, biggest joke in dust right now

bacon isn't a joke

Yeah whoever thought up the soft cap wasn't thinking about this. There is no way to get caught up, unless there is a hard SP reset. It should have been done when the soft cap was introduced, now any new players will forever be behind.

I've been saying this since day 1. Proto suits are absolutely not an iWin button. The advantages the suits themselves confer is more fitting slots. Your skills are infinitely more important in determining if you have enough HP buffer, dmg, etc to fight against other players.

I'm so tired of people not sitting down and doing the math. Your gear is worthless without skill. If you get stomped in a match, it's because you got outplayed. This isn't a matter of HTFU. This is a matter of take a step back, a deep breath, and understand why these other people are stomping you. This is EVE at it's core. This is why I play in the New Eden universe. I like challenge.

Let me add my name to the list of people with < 1 mil SP alts that regularly do well. Blaming your failures on gear masks the problem and prevents you from seeing the solution. Play smart - win. Play like a ****** - get your ass beat. It's quite literally as simple as that.