The way that OBs are being talked about, you'd think that you win right when you get one....

when your on the battle field, either on foot or in a vehicle, do you give the enemy a warning before you rain death upon them?

The damage output of a HAV compared to troops is comparable to an OB to HAV. why should there be a warning or a damage reduction??

An OB is a valid AV tool and should be used as one.

Most HAV users should be able to survive an OB with a decent fit and move.

btw the whole "Imperfects v the community" is just a load of cr*p, stop making stupid requests and people may listen.

It is rather funny. Considering the WP you need to get a strike, it would seem that the team getting a lot of strikes was already winning. Maybe that is were some of the confusion is coming from.

when your on the battle field, either on foot or in a vehicle, do you give the enemy a warning before you rain death upon them?

The damage output of a HAV compared to troops is comparable to an OB to HAV. why should there be a warning or a damage reduction??

An OB is a valid AV tool and should be used as one.

Most HAV users should be able to survive an OB with a decent fit and move.

btw the whole "Imperfects v the community" is just a load of cr*p, stop making stupid requests and people may listen.

Ok noc so you say that the OB is insta win.
In my opinion tanks are insta wins because if you know what you are doing you can pretty much make it impossible to kill with av and tank snipers in the red zone (not saying you do this) are nearly impossible to kill without the OB
Tanks unlike OBs can only be accessed by those who chose to skill into them. So I make this possible solution to your problem
What if OBs needed to be skilled into in order to use? It would stop some people from using them but not nerf them to the point where the tank driver can just drive on out without taking damage.
Sorry for the raging earlier on I was very tired (hadnt slept in 2 days)

To be more precise, the OB is not an "I win" button as much as it is a "This time you die" button.

Unlike a HAV it is a one shot weapon with a substantial "cool-down". You can't go on a rampage with it.
You can't call them in one after the other and decimate the other side. You first need to make significant progress in the match before you get one. You can't win with just OBs because you need to do a bunch of stuff to get one.

The OB is the occasional completely unfair hammer strike from the heavens that will remove all uncovered enemy assets from a small part of the map.

The only way to balance it is to introduce some sort of deployable shield.

Ok I have one alternative solution. You must buy OB ammo, 1 mil ISK each OB, however, the OB is buffed to a bit less than Tactical Hybrid from a destroyer.

Pay ISK to destroy ISK. In the correct direction for balance. I would remove the WP requirement then and add a cooldown timer.

No this would be abused as uber rich players could just split into single person squads and carpet bomb the map.
If we would do an isk cost it would still need wp to avoid this

No this would be abused as uber rich players could just split into single person squads and carpet bomb the map.
If we would do an isk cost it would still need wp to avoid this

It could be abused, which is why I think this is not enough. Instead of WPs, perhaps there should be non-null point objectives that can be captured to allow locking on to the district. Personally, I think the MCC should be providing the close support and there should be NO warbarge strikes.

There needs to be a balanced way to call for support when you need it both with and without EVE support, as well as counterplay either through cover, special structures, or hard counters.

Definitely glad everyone has cooled down for some serious discussion.

Not sure if this is what you mean but warbarge isn't eve ship its npc Atm and correct me if I'm wrong but firing one of those cannons in atmosphere would be very not good for everyone

Noc, I like your idea of having to control a point of access for locking onto districts, but in pub matches i'm not sure that it would be fair to the random nubberries. I do like it though. I think it'd be a nice conflict point on Corp matches and future fights over districts.

I'm just saying the close support could come from the MCC in the form of null cannons firing from the ship. This neatly gives them a range limit but also makes them available for countering pushes against the redline whenever. Orbitals truly need need their call in mechanic reworked from the ground up. There needs to be some sort of limit to avoid spamming everything to the stone age, but they also should be available when needed, not when awarded like a killstreak.

What if, instead of the warbarge dropping an orbital at 2500 WP, it drops a small turret with a targeting module (small turrets like the skirmish 1.0 blasters)? Then you have to operate the turret and people can see where you could call in the strike to, as well as counter it with snipers or hackers. It could have a "heat bar" so it can only coordinate a strike once per minute until destroyed.

What if, instead of the warbarge dropping an orbital at 2500 WP, it drops a small turret with a targeting module (small turrets like the skirmish 1.0 blasters)? Then you have to operate the turret and people can see where you could call in the strike to, as well as counter it with snipers or hackers. It could have a "heat bar" so it can only coordinate a strike once per minute until destroyed.

To be more precise, the OB is not an "I win" button as much as it is a "This time you die" button.

Unlike a HAV it is a one shot weapon with a substantial "cool-down". You can't go on a rampage with it.
You can't call them in one after the other and decimate the other side. You first need to make significant progress in the match before you get one. You can't win with just OBs because you need to do a bunch of stuff to get one.

The OB is the occasional completely unfair hammer strike from the heavens that will remove all uncovered enemy assets from a small part of the map.

The only way to balance it is to introduce some sort of deployable shield.

Well technically i can since OB's stack and i can just wait to call in all 3 that i get on avg in a match and call them in one after the next.

All you are doing is delaying the effect of your first two strikes until you earn the third.

The point is that you can't spend the entire match throwing these things around. You only get very few to use and each one kills in a very limited area of even our currently small maps. It is a very strategic asset.

I don't need OB's to get kills and it's very rare I'm squad leader to even use them. There is plenty of strategy using an OB, would you choose 10 kills or 1 kill for a tank that is dominating your team?

Giving a warning to an OB will be enough time for people to escape so what's the point? HAV already dominate the battle field and an OB is a guaranteed kill. Giving a warning will just make it even easier to survive.

you wouldn't warn the enemy you are going to shoot them so why is this any different?

and I don't know why so many people want to make this game more like MAG. This isn't MAG, if you want MAG go play it. Dust is trying to be something individual not just another clone FPS.