Is this really about cost? Or is it because OB's can kill you while all you can do is watch helplessly? I feel the exact same way when I spawn right in front of a bunch of reds y'know.

It's the same effect, different mechanic and consequences. It still boils down to semi-random destruction of assets in a way no player could prevent.

Right now orbitals are free and can easily destroy everything but high level armor tanks. This is due to the combination of their high damage, huge radius, long duration, and short warning.

Something needs to give, and I think a longer delay between use and landing would help. Because right now it's pointless to use anything above a sica, and that's counter-intuitive with the SP investment I have made.

Personally I think it should be:

Call-in

5 sec

Warning

5 sec

Hits

That way they would take a lot more skill or teamwork to be used effectively, instead of free kills.

Edit: it's in general because I want to get some preliminary opinions before posting a full suggestion in the feedback subforum.

I'd like to point out where this comes from for those of you that don't understand what Noc is talking about.

Last week, Noc and I were on opposing teams. I think I was in a group of three and we were playing on Manus Peak and Noc is hill sniping with his tank. We tried to swarm him, forge him, you name it, all he did was back up, rebuild his shields and kept tank sniping.
The rest of his group ate through the blue dots on our team and we were having a pretty rough go of it, got cloned.

But in the last 30 seconds of the match, we got an oribtal and dropped it right on his head. He went 15-1, my orbital being his only death.

That's what Noc is actually whining about. The fact that he can't sit on a hill and camp without fear of retribution. This has nothing to do with balance, or other players. It's his own selfish agenda.

Instead of doing what good tankers do e.g.; look at team scores to judge if an orbital is coming, keep moving, or spec to survive the pub match orbital (which I've seen happen), he'd rather nerf the orbital strike.

So there you have, the true motivation of this thread. Which should end any further discussion save the whining and crying that is bound to come from the OP and his supporters.

Good day.

I agree with noc on the OB system being to strong. I made a thread about this last build too.

What has the OB system done It has forced most tankers out of skirmish because it is not fun anymore. All it takes is a random group of people to hit the total and you gain insta death to everything on the map. It is not just hard hitting on tanks I have gotten 14 kills off them before almost a full team because they have ridiculous range.

For shield tanks your ability to survive one does not happen until you are in a Sagaris and even then it is a 50/50 chance. Armor tanks are more likely to make it through because they have alot more EHP.

They either need to have a decent warning system otherwise they need to drop the damage down by alot.

I actually think space orbitals are more balanced then what we have now.

People are lying to themselves if they think OBs are hard to earn. They are very easy and simple thing 90% of the time when I am squad lead with randoms on my alt I make it to OB status. And gain basically it gives me another free 10kills or easy tank kill.

I'd like to point out where this comes from for those of you that don't understand what Noc is talking about.

Last week, Noc and I were on opposing teams. I think I was in a group of three and we were playing on Manus Peak and Noc is hill sniping with his tank. We tried to swarm him, forge him, you name it, all he did was back up, rebuild his shields and kept tank sniping.
The rest of his group ate through the blue dots on our team and we were having a pretty rough go of it, got cloned.

But in the last 30 seconds of the match, we got an oribtal and dropped it right on his head. He went 15-1, my orbital being his only death.

That's what Noc is actually whining about. The fact that he can't sit on a hill and camp without fear of retribution. This has nothing to do with balance, or other players. It's his own selfish agenda.

Instead of doing what good tankers do e.g.; look at team scores to judge if an orbital is coming, keep moving, or spec to survive the pub match orbital (which I've seen happen), he'd rather nerf the orbital strike.

So there you have, the true motivation of this thread. Which should end any further discussion save the whining and crying that is bound to come from the OP and his supporters.

Good day.

as i told noc on irc
disagree
seen a gunnlogi tank it not once but a 2nd time

Also confirming i tank OBs like a boss

making the delay longer makes it pointless

most of the tanks being called in pubs are **** fit tanks

I'd like to point out where this comes from for those of you that don't understand what Noc is talking about.

Last week, Noc and I were on opposing teams. I think I was in a group of three and we were playing on Manus Peak and Noc is hill sniping with his tank. We tried to swarm him, forge him, you name it, all he did was back up, rebuild his shields and kept tank sniping.
The rest of his group ate through the blue dots on our team and we were having a pretty rough go of it, got cloned.

But in the last 30 seconds of the match, we got an oribtal and dropped it right on his head. He went 15-1, my orbital being his only death.

That's what Noc is actually whining about. The fact that he can't sit on a hill and camp without fear of retribution. This has nothing to do with balance, or other players. It's his own selfish agenda.

Instead of doing what good tankers do e.g.; look at team scores to judge if an orbital is coming, keep moving, or spec to survive the pub match orbital (which I've seen happen), he'd rather nerf the orbital strike.

So there you have, the true motivation of this thread. Which should end any further discussion save the whining and crying that is bound to come from the OP and his supporters.

Good day.

Let's just ignore talking about the veracity of your anecdote and discuss the scenario as YOU claimed.

A tank is on the field

You fail to kill it using AV

You are awarded an OB

???

Tank dies

What, pray tell, is the proper missing step to change the outcome?

You are an idiot
They changed tactics and killed you stop crying

You make rocks look smart.
No one is crying, I'm just ripping apart the people who refuse to discuss an issue just because they perceive it doesn't affect them personally, negatively.

Especially since you have have a teammate rush an objective during the orbital and take it while the enemies are dying to the orbital that does not affect your allies.

OBS definitely need some work. I disagree with Cael that it would take the length of time he stated. I think that the timeframe of selecting the location and then the warning beacon .......5 seconds later first strike hits. This is the way MAG did it and these strikes would still get you an easy 8-10 kills and even more if you place it correctly. What this would do is cause the leader to have to think before placing the orbital right now its OH A BUNCH OF RED DOTS...click button....profit. It would be OH a bunch of red dots do I put it right on them....right behind them....or right in front of them? Each has its own benefit. RIght behind them means you push them fowards and possibly into an ambush of your teammates. Right on top of them means if they arent paying attention you kill them all. Right in front of them you are hoping they arent paying attention and run right into it.....or you are trying to cut them off for a short time from going into that area. All of these are valid tactics but right now its not needed. Only tactic needed with OBS is to click in the middle of the group of red dots and watch them all die. Its easy peasy......and you get 2-3 of those per game if your even halfway decent.

Semper you might want to look at my posts. I said spoken warning then 5 seconds later the ob hits. So it is the same time frame as yours except you gain a visual warning. Noc mentioned a 5 second delay then warning then a 5 second delay to impact. I just want a 5 second warning so people can tactically positon themself or prepare so orbitals are not easy objective win buttons or the only forum of AV a team needs.

sorry I must have confused you two. Nevertheless i believe that the OP initial thoughts of a total 10 second delay (with only a 5 second warning for the reds) is just too much. A 5 second visible warning before the strike begins is enough and will still make the strike useful. As stated MAG proved this without a doubt you can have a delay and strike are just as effective just not the I PWN ALL button.

nothing wrong with OB's. HTFU.

if you for from an OB in a HAV then it's your own fault for being stationary.

This game doesn't have enough tactical assets. CCP needs to add more tactical assets rather than adding in stupid trees for people to hide behind.

I never knew Imperfects were such hardcore whiners. Now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

You've effectively just painted a big red target that says "CALL IN YOUR ORBITAL ON ME PLZ" on every tanker in your corp. I'm sure getting attention was 80% of the intent of posting the thread, judging by every other thread you people make, so congrats on that bit.

I took out a Gunloggi with a Soma with a militia blaster and three twinchargers the other day. Speedy tanks are OP, nerf speed mods.

Me and a corp mate took out a Gunloggi with 3 standard flux grenades and a single shot from an assault forge gun last night. Teamwork is OP, nerf teamwork.

In fact, why should anyone not in a tank get any sort of weapons at all? Infantry should spawn in an open field, unable to move, with no weapons, single-file in front of tank turrets. It's not fair that a tank costs so much isk and has to actually drive around or rotate the turret to get kills, right Impotents... I mean Imperfects? Right?

nothing wrong with OB's. HTFU.

if you for from an OB in a HAV then it's your own fault for being stationary.

SMH, really its hard tallking to people with the sense of a rock. Nothing wrong with the OB, nothing wrong with this, i do well in this game so its okay it must be okay why.

The whole if it aint broke don't fix it mentality works with clocks not video games.

Im not saying OB's are broken but in game and a forum in which EVERYONE and their MOTHER has stated there is a HARD COUNTER FOR EVERYTHING.

Where is the hard counter for OB's. Let me put it another way, if these were EVE sized OB's would you still say its fine?

You honestly thinking obtaining 2500 WP is a difficult task. What game are you playing. In what world is earning an avg of 625 WP per squad member difficult. Really tell me the difficulty in earning it. Oh i know its my fault i should be pulling up the score screen when i have a suspicion and use a menu to determine if im likely to be facing a strike(meh i generally know when they are coming already that gut instinct is there if you are halfway decent at paying attention).



Point is OB's have no hard counter. There is no ability to block OB's from striking like in MAG. There is no detection alert or warning system, heck there is little more than a sound that penetrate the atmosphere. What the OB doesn't need to warm up its just ready to go?


Look it really is quite simple the warning right now is audio and 1-2seconds later the first strike occurs. Now that may make sense with the regards to atomospheric penetration of an energy based weapon nearing the speed of light but it does little for game play balance and fun.

Im a fan of 3-5 seconds because it is still quick strike but require a bit more preplanning with the strike rather than a set and forget type of call in which means that the SL needs to get to a safe spot to call it in or the squad needs to protect him(you know tactics and the like). Add to this it would be nice to see the sky darken or brighten before an incoming attack after all its a huge massive field of damage dropping down on us how in the world isn't it affecting the atmospheric conditions of the planet?

All of these visual and audio cues take time to code in, a delay and increased notification time from the audio alert can be patched. They did it already CCP added a bit more delay in chromosome but hardly enough to consider it substantial. But the delay and warning on the top right HUD is there now, simply just not long enough to allow for any meaningful reaction even when at the edge of a strike(though rumor has it the best thing is to be in the center and stand completely still).

Anyway point is i dont mean to be condescending but really people need to get over the tags and understand the reason these topics are started by us in not cause of QQ but we play a crapton and test a crapton. We know what we're talking about and aren't going to keep the blinders on and say the game is just fine and it is us who need to adapt. We adapt plenty and accept the things that are the result of our mistakes you're just not around in game to hear us admit it.

So rather than biasing yourself the second you see its an IMP post why dont we all put on our big boy pants and actually discuss the topic rather than just blindly say OB's are fine or at least give me/us a valid counter argument.